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Until Apple allows to fully customize the launcher natively, you will forever be a servant to the experience Apple thinks you should have. I have both iPhone and Pixel and the fact that I can bring up my wallet or any important app in the tap or swipe I choose, edges out iOS for me. 90% of the apps I need can be found on both and still have the same functionality.
I'm willing to guess that a single
Tap or Swipe that you choose cannot bring up an important app (unless said app is the launcher which allows for switching: yet even STILL a secondary tap is needed).

So, is it 1 Swipe + 1 Tap or 2 Taps, or 2 swipes. Please verify each action cause I'm very certain it's not just one. IF so what is the name of the launcher and how many steps to set that up? Again this still has to be setup not what is already setup btw.

on IOS or Android you can use Voice command and launch any app coded to accept that command (in the app or the OS) and not have to tap / swipe at all. ;) by doing this does this mean I win? lol /being cheeky on the last part.
 
This is just not correct. Ecosystems do matter. If I bought a Pixel 7 Pro I could kiss my Ultra goodbye, no more iMessage, no more AirDrop from phone, no more remote from phone to Apple TV4K. The iPhone for me is the central hub of my Apple ecosystem.
I think you -- and many people on tech forums and places like Reddit -- overestimate how many people are really that invested in Apple devices.

I'd assume that the majority of users has a single Apple device, followed by a phone and earphones (which continue to work if you buy another phone). I'd also assume that a lot of people don't actually use a lot of the integration features very regularly.

That's not to say that Apple doesn't do ecosystem right and, you're right, the more Apple devices you have, the more you benefit from it.

I'm pretty sure most people, especially outside of the US, could switch quite effortlessly and the prime reason they don't is inertia and sticking with what they're used to rather than the ecosystem.

Finally, Android is the leading platform globally, They must do something right. Yes price is an important part, but not everything.
 
Finally, Android is the leading platform globally, They must do something right. Yes price is an important part, but not everything.
For Android, price IS the largest part of “everything”. Each year, Apple gains more and more of the high dollar market of smartphones. And, for awhile now, they’ve pulled in more profit than the entire rest of the smartphone market. There are still a decent number of high end non-Apple phones sold, but they all make the lion’s share of their money on the low end.
 
Until staples like pdf expert, notability, Apollo, fantastical, halide, overcast, Tweetbot and LumaFusion come to android, it’s hard to share what simply isn’t available on the android platform.

Does Android have an IOS Stocks app equivalent? That app gives you an awesome market summary, the news stories for your individual stocks/nasdaq/dow jones, they are curated well, and you don't get charged to read WSJ articles from that app, it might be the Apple News tie in that provides such a wealth of timely business articles, I don't know, not confident Android has an effective stocks app.
 
I’m a big fan of round watches, which was in part why I ditched my Apple Watch for a Garmin Epix 2, but dang, this new Google watch looks bad. I shouldn’t say that, as what I really mean is it looks effeminate, so not something I would consider. Not discounting female buyers who may love the look and would HATE the Rambo-like style of the Epix 2. Part of it is the curved lens, which I dislike on all watches, as I prefer the clean look of a flat sapphire lens.

And why such big bezels? If I were designing this watch and had to live with some physical or technical limitation with the bezel, then I’d add some type of trim ring to cover up the bezel. It’s what Garmin does with their Epix and Fenix models and it has a purposeful appearance.
It does look feminine, same as the Apple Watch. It's the rounded sides. I'm not bothered by the bezels, which the Epix 2 also has.

I like the look though, a polished pebble. And it has some nice watch faces, the one with rotating seconds is super cool. And it seems faster/smoother than the Epix, similar to Apple Watch.

But I just cannot imagine what would make me give up the two week battery life of the Epix. Back to daily charging? No way unless it does something amazing but right now it's the other way around. The Epix does the amazing stuff - the better sports tracking, training readiness reports, sleep tracking, the maps and hiking and skiing etc - and the battery life. With a rounded screen and killer looks. I mean, nobody has a band half as cool as the titanium band for the Epix.

Honestly I can't wait for the next generation of Garmins.
 
May the Gods of Economy and Technology forbid the day that you no longer have a CHOICE and just have to buy into what ever the hell is offered...

Honestly... everyone should be celebrating that anyone other than Samsung is making an attempt at a Watch... and running the actual Android watch OS no less. Unlike Samsung's garbage proprietary OS for their watches.

Seriously folks... more options means more innovation between competitors...

And really... only the weak fear competition. The strong welcome and celebrate it.

Those that don't have the ability to even attempt to compete.... they ridicule it.
 
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These are starting to seem more and more appealing, especially since they did not get ridiculous price increases in the EU, unlike the iPhone. The OS and ecosystem are simply not worth an extra €600 anymore.
 
It does. I've been coming to MacRumors near daily since I was 14 (32 now). I think I remember logical discussion in the past. Now it's fanboys slurping each other. Really, really annoying and every time I venture into the forums I remember why I stopped making a habit of that a long time ago.

It feels like I'm reading children validate their purchases in the most reductive way possible.

I straight up would not have been able to do this on an iPhone: (from last weekend)

I have my SIM (well, eSIM) in my iPhone. But I carry a Pixel every time I'm intending to shoot photos at night. Now I have a cool acrylic print Milky Way shot that I took, courtesy of an Android phone, hanging in my room. That print wouldn't exist if I only had an iPhone.

Apple's computers and other electronics were once aspirational products... Now they have propagated to the point where they can feel rather pedestrian.

Apple still ties a nice bow around most of what they do. They still lead the pack in overall user experience, but the gap between what they offer and the competition has seriously narrowed.

The erosion is frankly a sign of lethargy from confused and frustrated internal struggles. Every company has challenges... but genuinely... I don't see Apple as being in the prime it once was, and perhaps it may never achieve that status again. That said, who else could come into the market and genuinely duplicate what Apple did under Jobs direction? Currently.... no one.

Apple has a truly fascinating story and they have genuinely lead innovation in areas that otherwise would have never seen the slightest bit of structure.

Regular OS updates on phones??? Does anyone even remember what it was like when we just had Windows CE and Palm and Blackberry and Symbian? Good lord.... I do not miss those days at all.

Graphics acceleration on the user interface? Apple did it first and did it best.... until very very recently.

Took years for Android to catch up... and I do mean YEARS.

Windows took literal decades when compared to MacOS.

There is a genuine prestige and pedigree that Apple is born from but that doesn't mean it can't suffer the effects of "inbreeding".

So if any one else offers an alternative design or a potential for innovation.... it should be considered... even if only to simply conclude the way they are doing it is best... but doing an honest evaluation is always warranted.

This BEZEL mockery (as amusing as it is) is frankly entirely misleading. I am curious what Google's approach to the user interface on the watch is. Similarly I am curious about the hardware.

I won't be dropping my iPhones, Macs, iPads or Apple Watches any time soon... but I won't deny myself a Pixel, competing watch or windows or linux or Chrome OS machine. They're all worth a look....

And if you play any games... then frankly... PC (or console) is still the way to go... for now. What ever is "best" as a single platform for any one individual will depend on their needs and priorities... but I still to this day find it too much of a compromise to be isolated to one platform only for all circumstances.
 
It does look feminine, same as the Apple Watch. It's the rounded sides. I'm not bothered by the bezels, which the Epix 2 also has.

I like the look though, a polished pebble. And it has some nice watch faces, the one with rotating seconds is super cool. And it seems faster/smoother than the Epix, similar to Apple Watch.

But I just cannot imagine what would make me give up the two week battery life of the Epix. Back to daily charging? No way unless it does something amazing but right now it's the other way around. The Epix does the amazing stuff - the better sports tracking, training readiness reports, sleep tracking, the maps and hiking and skiing etc - and the battery life. With a rounded screen and killer looks. I mean, nobody has a band half as cool as the titanium band for the Epix.

Honestly I can't wait for the next generation of Garmins.
The Garmin Epix is nice for what it is. But its look is not as versatile as the Apple Watch. For example, I wouldn't wear an Epix with a suit. Other than that, it does seem like quite a fine competitor for an outdoor sport centric crowd.
 
Who cares, Google has only 2% market share in the US, forget world wide.
Their competitor in the US is Samsung, and they are probably laughing at the Pixel.

Besides it's an Android phone who really wants one them, even Samsung tried to dump Android but Google put paid to that by saying that they would not get access to Google search etc.

Google needs breaking up.
Google needs breaking up? What kind of person would want to see less competition? Google has never cared about people buying the phones until past year as they make more based on people just using their software

Pixel 6 and now 7 are showing google want to make the pixel a success based on their marketing alone. The specs and overall hardware now is as good as any on
The market. That should tell you they are making the effort to get people to buy the phones but it won’t happen overnight.
 
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The bezels actually remind me of the first pebble steel color that had very comically large bezels … I returned it as soon as I opened the box. BUT they are not THAT bad in comparison.
 
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The Garmin Epix is nice for what it is. But its look is not as versatile as the Apple Watch. For example, I wouldn't wear an Epix with a suit. Other than that, it does seem like quite a fine competitor for an outdoor sport centric crowd.
I wish farming would make a more presentable watch (fancy lol) … but I guess that defeats the purpose of their watch.
 
May the Gods of Economy and Technology forbid the day that you no longer have a CHOICE and just have to buy into what ever the hell is offered...

Honestly... everyone should be celebrating that anyone other than Samsung is making an attempt at a Watch... and running the actual Android watch OS no less. Unlike Samsung's garbage proprietary OS for their watches.

Seriously folks... more options means more innovation between competitors...

And really... only the weak fear competition. The strong welcome and celebrate it.

Those that don't have the ability to even attempt to compete.... they ridicule it.
It's hard to see how this product isn't dead in the water, and what sort of meaningful innovation it's supposed to help spur. Seriously, this while "more competition is always good" phrase has been parroted mindlessly so many times, irrespective of context, that I find it so hackneyed and meaningless these days.

First off, it costs $399. In the same year that Apple released a trio of smartwatches ranging from the $249 SE to the Series 8 (same price) to the aspirational Ultra.

Second, it comes with a 4-year old SOC. To be fair, the chip in the Apple Watch hasn't really been changed in 3 years, but the Apple Watch chip was already fairly efficient back then. Qualcomm couldn't deliver then, it's the same issue now.

So you are already selling slower hardware at higher prices than Apple.

In a way, the Pixel Watch reminds of the Apple Watch Series 0. Decent first start, but it would need years of relentless iteration to become a great product (which is precisely what Apple did). Unfortunately, Apple did so at a time when there was fairly little competition in the smartwatch market back in 2015. Today, you have a fairly strong competitor in the form of Samsung, as well as a very functional Apple Watch product lineup potentially converting android users to iPhones in order to get the functionality that they offer.

In addition, catching up would require Google committing to supporting and iterating on the Pixel Watch, which given their track record seems very unlikely. If I were a betting man, I foresee this product getting a $150 discount a few months after release, followed by it getting discontinued 2 years later.

I really can't see this product doing well, and I don't see Apple or Samsung execs losing sleep over this either.
 
Lucky for Samsung and Google Apple dont enter their watch market.....not so lucky for Android users....

As even Android Authority said this less than a year ago -

"Beyond appearances, circular screens simply don’t have the same functionality as a rectangular display. It comes down to real estate. Round watches have a smaller footprint, and only a few lines of information can ever use the maximum width. In other words, you’ll see a lot of chopped text and frustrating margins."

Literally a digital display so popular I can think of no other real world use of it bar some smart watches....
 
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Apparently you’ve not seen shots taken with the 14 Pro. I’m glad the Pixel has a phenomenal camera. It pushes the competition forward.
Got the 14 pro, can confirm not possible to take that photo.
Less triggered, and more amused, personally.

At this point, the only real competition Apple has, is Apple itself. :cool:
No competition 😂.

As an Apple shareholder I'd certainly prefer it if they had the 70% market share Android does than the 27% they have now.
 
Lucky for Samsung and Google Apple dont enter their watch market.....not so lucky for Android users....

As even Android Authority said this less than a year ago -

"Beyond appearances, circular screens simply don’t have the same functionality as a rectangular display. It comes down to real estate. Round watches have a smaller footprint, and only a few lines of information can ever use the maximum width. In other words, you’ll see a lot of chopped text and frustrating margins."

Literally a digital display so popular I can think of no other real world use of it bar some smart watches....

Circular screens still dominate the premium market - Garmin are leaders here and they use circular screens.

Apple watches are decisively midrange and aimed at teenagers as a fashion accessory; they are not serious smartwatches.

Apple don't stand a chance in the real smartwatch market above $500.
 
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Got the 14 pro, can confirm not possible to take that photo.

No competition 😂.

As an Apple shareholder I'd certainly prefer it if they had the 70% market share Android does than the 27% they have now.
Market share due to PLETHORA of cheap Android devices. Nothing more. What’s the market share in devices priced comparable to iPhones?? Do tell.
 
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