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Or, you know, they'll perfect it and make it practical and meaningful. It's not about being first.
Nobody claimed that to be a problem, nobody complained about Apple not being first.
Also if anybody is perfecting foldable smartphones is companies launching real products, not companies playing with prototypes. Samsung already has Z Fold 5 and 6 in development and these will be real products that will see the light of day not just assumptions.
 
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Bro the phone is brand new and it already has a crease. $1800 for this?

This is why I will never touch foldables until that gets fixed
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1) Of course it's thicker when you fold a tablet in half, this stating the obvious. You could ask yourself why is the iPhone so heavy given the smaller screen size LOL
Battery, for one.

One common complaint of the galaxy flip / fold phones are their subpar battery life, which is understandable given that there is less space inside for a battery. You are not really twice the internal volume for components despite the phone being twice as thick, since a part of it goes to the thickness of the casing effectively being doubled.

You also have less thickness for a batter camera (since you effectively only have half the thickness to work with).

In short, you get all the downsides of a way thicker device, without any of the benefits.
2) Apple themselves are shifting from 16:10 towards a squarer format like Microsoft 3:2 (1-1.5) where only the Ipad mini is the same and most others iPads are 4:3 which is quite square. Obviously a Fold with a preferred 3:2 aspect ratio would be too tall or too wide for practicalities of pocket-ability when folded
Since when? iPads have been getting slightly longer in length, so they are actually moving away from the old 4:3 aspect ratio, rather than getting more square.

If it's design constraints like this that prevent the fold from attaining an ideal aspect ratio, then maybe it just goes to show that this is a flawed design in the first place. You have a square tablet that few apps are optimised for, doesn't really give you that much more usable screen space for tasks like watching 16:9 video (since you are just getting more letterboxing), and is still too small for the stuff that I would normally do on a tablet anyways.
Your remarks of inferior experience is showing a complete lack of understanding of others user cases. Be it side by side viewing of email inbox and viewing screen or split screen views in landscape mode etc etc. Or the simple fact that for many carrying 2 devices constantly is just not practical.
None of these benefits will be worth the hassle of bringing around a much thicker and heavier device for the majority of users.
I have always remarked how well you have integrated the iPad in to your workflow even though from my personal perspective it would be a non starter if not bizarre
Thank you, but I don't see what relevance it bears to the current discussion at hand.
Foldables are a hard sell many due to price point and OS preferences no because of functionality
I will say it's a hard sell because I see it more as a niche feature (more akin to the S6's curved screen tech) than phablets. There will be people who like it. There will be people with a genuine use case for such a product. I am not dismissing their preferences or claiming that their use cases aren't genuine. What I am saying is that these group of users are in the minority, and will very likely stay that way. I doubt folding phones will become a mass market product or the future of smartphone design.

Also, the key reason I don't see Apple entering this market is because they are betting the farm on wearables. I don't understand why Apple is being seen as lazy or uninnovative simply because they aren't copying the competition. We have seen what happened with criticism of Apple not having their own netbook, or cheaper iPhones, or their own Netflix clone, or a dozen other offerings that never really caught on.

Why are people so convinced that Apple is going down the wrong path by not copying Samsung?
 
Why are people so convinced that Apple is going down the wrong path by not copying Samsung?
For me, it's the lack luster iPhone upgrades. A better camera and a slightly faster processor is just plain boring. I don't need a better camera (though one capable of night vision one would be nice to have!)

I'll probably buy the iPhone 14 Pro, but not because of its features, it's because I don't like my iPhone 13 Mini. (before that I had an 11 Pro max and it was just too big and I went overboard in downsizing.) But it wont be my main phone. My Flip4 will be when I get it, it's new enough to be exciting. Unfolded, as big as a Pro Max, folded, doesn't take up as much space as my 13 Mini. Win-win. Yes, it is thicker, but the X Y dimensions are what's most important in a pocket for me.
 
For me, it's the lack luster iPhone upgrades. A better camera and a slightly faster processor is just plain boring. I don't need a better camera (though one capable of night vision one would be nice to have!)

I'll probably buy the iPhone 14 Pro, but not because of its features, it's because I don't like my iPhone 13 Mini. (before that I had an 11 Pro max and it was just too big and I went overboard in downsizing.) But it wont be my main phone. My Flip4 will be when I get it, it's new enough to be exciting. Unfolded, as big as a Pro Max, folded, doesn't take up as much space as my 13 Mini. Win-win. Yes, it is thicker, but the X Y dimensions are what's most important in a pocket for me.
Agreed. My Z Fold 3 might be thicker than an iPhone 13 Pro Max when folded, but it's not by much when I compared it to my wife's iPhone 13 PM with a case on it (I don't have a case on my ZF3). Everyone I have ever known, save for one person, has put their iPhone in a case of some kind. The Z Fold 3 is much easier to hold in my hand than my iPhone 12 PM was, I've only dropped it once in just under a year and it only has a slight scuff on one end of the hinge from that, and the Z Fold 3 fits better in my pants/shorts/slacks pockets because it isn't nearly as wide...and no, I don't wear skinny jeans. The larger iPhones are just way too wide in my opinion. Now if I want a larger/wider screen, I just unfold my ZF3 😁
 
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Not even close.


I couldn't find the article but an abnormal amount of new Fold users are switchers from other brands, like 30% or something. So the market share isn't just constantly growing but a lot of the new users have switched platforms or phone brands to get their foldable smartphones.

At this point I think these joke attempts that foldables are a fail can stop, but It's probably too high of an expectation for this forum.
Remember when every tv was 3d? Where is that now?
 
Except 3D TV did not have any practical use. In comparison Foldable expands a phone's useability.


With that said, I'm switching to Z Fold 4 this time. I had my iPhones since iPhone 4s and have nearly every Apple product except Mac Pro.

This will be a tough switch but I really want to try the new tech. I will probably change back to Apple when it introduces its equivalent foldable iPhone.
I’m in a similar situation as you. Spent a fortune on apple over the years. Nearly every phone countless laptops, iPads iPod headphones whatever.. but the new tech is genuinely exciting.
 
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Nope. Oppo has already released a prototype in 2021.



My comment seems to have gone completely over your head. You are also completely wrong in your response. Apple does, in fact have a patent on a scrolling display, which I mentioned to indicate that the comment I was responding to might be right about Apple's plans for an expandable display that rolls instead of folds. Check your facts before being so bold.

 
Mobile phones are mostly used by a single hand. If you need to use 2 hands to use a mobile phone, there are other devices out there that will serve you better.
Not as a mobile phone there isn't. Have you got a link to where it is a proven fact that mobile phones are "mostly used one handed?"
 
Remember when every tv was 3d? Where is that now?
I can't remember something that isn't true.
Also by the 3rd year manufacturers stopped releasing 3D TV's and concentrated on 4K and HDR TV's.
Foldable smartphones have quite a different trajectory and don't suffer from the same problems/limitations 3D TV's suffered from, comparing the two makes no sense what so ever.
 
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One common complaint of the galaxy flip / fold phones are their subpar battery life, which is understandable given that there is less space inside for a battery. You are not really twice the internal volume for components despite the phone being twice as thick, since a part of it goes to the thickness of the casing effectively being doubled.

You also have less thickness for a batter camera (since you effectively only have half the thickness to work with).

In short, you get all the downsides of a way thicker device, without any of the benefits.

Really this is nonsense and you remarks re twice as thick seem to miss the obvious its not when folded flat this is deliberate on your part to exaggerate one state and completely ignore it's un folded state.

The only extra casing is for the hinge LOL and the volume does not magical change folded or not.

The flip 4 addresses battery life with the newer processor and increased capacity. The Fold pushes a superior and larger screen than most, so this is proportional.

Cameras are upgraded on the Fold more so than the Flip and like Apple with it's thicker phone still does not manage a periscope lens

Since when? iPads have been getting slightly longer in length, so they are actually moving away from the old 4:3 aspect ratio, rather than getting more square.

If it's design constraints like this that prevent the fold from attaining an ideal aspect ratio, then maybe it just goes to show that this is a flawed design in the first place. You have a square tablet that few apps are optimised for, doesn't really give you that much more usable screen space for tasks like watching 16:9 video (since you are just getting more letterboxing), and is still too small for the stuff that I would normally do on a tablet anyways.

Again you completely and deliberately misconstrue the thicker state (folded) especially of Flip and ignore why it folds and unfolds and the convivence this brings to many. A lesson that's been learned for over 70 years now. It's not rocket science just simple ergonomics of popular culture

You have re-iterated what I have said the current squarish IPads are likely to change, the Macbooks are already progressing from letterboxes to more MS format but still miss the most popular ratio used by photographers.

The Fold is a more productivity device and squarish formats suit this and multiple apps open than slab phones that are only good for watching films in landscape Slab phones have always been sub par because of its format in many areas, but until recently there was not options. Do not get muddled between no choice and having one LOL

Whilst I noted the Fold aspect ratio is not ideal and more ergonomics driven the iPad has had little excuse and been around a lot longer and is only just changing

Do not get confused with IpadOS limitations and App scaling. The Fold allows dynamic scaling and has individual app presets in 3 formats. There is an equal number of core apps specifically tailored to suit the Fold and Flip in addition to Samsung's clever software that will adjust others. The new taskbar control now adds a further dimension of control. The Fold and Flip are not so dependant on app developers like IpadOS

I will say it's a hard sell because I see it more as a niche feature (more akin to the S6's curved screen tech) than phablets. There will be people who like it. There will be people with a genuine use case for such a product. I am not dismissing their preferences or claiming that their use cases aren't genuine. What I am saying is that these group of users are in the minority, and will very likely stay that way. I doubt folding phones will become a mass market product or the future of smartphone design.

Also, the key reason I don't see Apple entering this market is because they are betting the farm on wearables. I don't understand why Apple is being seen as lazy or uninnovative simply because they aren't copying the competition. We have seen what happened with criticism of Apple not having their own netbook, or cheaper iPhones, or their own Netflix clone, or a dozen other offerings that never really caught on.

Why are people so convinced that Apple is going down the wrong path by not copying Samsung?

Its only niche currently because of price point. History and popular culture tells us otherwise and now given extra focus on environmental factors direct or indirect increases expectations of devices we use and carry

People like to feel they are engaged with the latest technology and Apple lag on implementation even for the faithful :) is becoming an increased harder pill to swallow IMO
 
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Foldable are brilliant. Having owned a fold the concept is amazing! Can’t wait for the day Apple does the equivalent… that’s what stopped me. Too caught up in the ecosystem. Those who say they’re pointless.. give it a chance first, if you like iPads you will love the form factor!
hell, I actually said this about GPS devices (when standalone units were the rage), and the smartphone itself. Finally got my first one in 2011.. Samsung Galaxy s2. It was weird not having physical buttons, but the larger screen was nice!
 
I mean, it is intriguing. Props to Samsung for tackling this type of technology. I do believe they’ve made huge strides in foldable tech. But I still don’t get it. I’d be staring at that crease all day long.
[shrug].. couldn't be that much worse than staring at a notch, no?
 
[shrug].. couldn't be that much worse than staring at a notch, no?
If you’ve read any other posts in here, you’d see that same thing has been said a couple times.

And yes, much worse. For one, I like the notch. Always have. And second, the notch doesn’t run down the center of my screen. I guess third would be, the notch doesn’t start falling apart because I’m not folding/unfolding it a 100 times a day 😁
 
If you’ve read any other posts in here, you’d see that same thing has been said a couple times.

And yes, much worse. For one, I like the notch. Always have. And second, the notch doesn’t run down the center of my screen. I guess third would be, the notch doesn’t start falling apart because I’m not folding/unfolding it a 100 times a day 😁
You like the notch better than if there was no notch? What reason is there for that?
 
You like the notch better than if there was no notch? What reason is there for that?
I love the notch design. I definitely like a notch better than a large crease running down the center of my screen. And I like it better than the new i-hole.

When the notch is gone and no longer needed, that’ll be great. But Apple did an amazing job creating a screen that flows around the housing for Face ID and its components.

You want a cheap Face ID/camera system, go elsewhere and find a device with a single hole punch. Or an under the screen camera that just isn’t up to par. Me, I’ll stick with quality and whatever design comes with it until there is no need for it. 😃
 
I love the notch design. I definitely like a notch better than a large crease running down the center of my screen. And I like it better than the new i-hole.

When the notch is gone and no longer needed, that’ll be great. But Apple did an amazing job creating a screen that flows around the housing for Face ID and its components.

You want a cheap Face ID/camera system, go elsewhere and find a device with a single hole punch. Or an under the screen camera that just isn’t up to par. Me, I’ll stick with quality and whatever design comes with it until there is no need for it. 😃
You never said why you like the notch better than no notch. You said you like it better than a crease, I never asked you about that but would imagine that when you first saw the notch in an iPhone, you never said to yourself, "thats better than a crease." Why would it be great when the notch has gone and wont be needed? you said you like it, so why would it be great when it has gone.

I never asked you about cheap face id systems, I asked you why you "like the notch" which as you pointed out, have said many times in this thread.

Instead of making things up about unrelated things, just answer the question, why do you like the notch better than no notch at all?
 
I like the concept of a Fold

But it's too think when folded (duh) and foldable screens are still a bit fragile, and that's with average batteries and above average cameras otherwise they would be even thicker

Looking forward to a more mature, slicker folable phone/tablet in the future
 
You never said why you like the notch better than no notch. You said you like it better than a crease, I never asked you about that but would imagine that when you first saw the notch in an iPhone, you never said to yourself, "thats better than a crease." Why would it be great when the notch has gone and wont be needed? you said you like it, so why would it be great when it has gone.

I never asked you about cheap face id systems, I asked you why you "like the notch" which as you pointed out, have said many times in this thread.

Instead of making things up about unrelated things, just answer the question, why do you like the notch better than no notch at all?
Yup 👍
 
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You never said why you like the notch better than no notch. You said you like it better than a crease, I never asked you about that but would imagine that when you first saw the notch in an iPhone, you never said to yourself, "thats better than a crease." Why would it be great when the notch has gone and wont be needed? you said you like it, so why would it be great when it has gone.

I never asked you about cheap face id systems, I asked you why you "like the notch" which as you pointed out, have said many times in this thread.

Instead of making things up about unrelated things, just answer the question, why do you like the notch better than no notch at all?
Exactly! Deflection 101 right there!! No one, and I mean no one, would rather have the notch over not having the notch. Man, Apple die hards slay me. 🤣 Whatever helps one sleep at night I suppose.
 
Exactly! Deflection 101 right there!! No one, and I mean no one, would rather have the notch over not having the notch. Man, Apple die hards slay me. 🤣 Whatever helps one sleep at night I suppose.
It’s not deflection at all. This is a thread about the Samsung line of foldables, not my fetish for the notch. But if my only option is any other device that doesn’t have a notch, yes, I prefer the notch over not having one.

When the time comes and Apple no longer needs it for its design, I will welcome the notchless iPhone with open arms. But as of now, I LOVE the notch over a notchless phone.

Nothing helps me sleep, I have insomnia. And I’ve owned as many Android devices as I have iPhones, Mr. Diehard ;)
 
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