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Looks like your also getting a raised part at the back as well to house the camera lenses. (abit thicker)
 
Spec wars. A bunch of big numbers thrown around, thinly disguised as a value proposition in order to inflate the margins of cheap electronics.

yup ... you can say what you want but at the end ... takes long ... but apple delivers value, recently again.
apple pay ... finally in europe is really great, as is apple signin, etc... samsung often comes with some overspeced but under fine crafted features. their hardware for itself is kind of superior but what helps an edgeless screen if you always have wrong palm inputs just to mention an example for my point.
 
I'm an iPhone user looking to transition over to (most likely) a galaxy.

The biggest issue with the S20 as far as I'm concerned - the Note 10+. Recently, the Note 10+ 5G has been available for around £600 here. I personally would struggle to justify spending twice as much on the S20 vs the Note 10+. Considering the differences are 120hz vs 60Hz, 0.1" on the display, a slightly faster CPU and better camera (with an extra 128GB of storage on the Note).

I did this awhile ago to the note 10+ , I use dex every day as a desktop and I have no issues with it. I will get the ultra s20 16gb ram. I only have one device for a tablet , phone , computer. works great for me.

I spend my whole day programming on a computer. dex is refreshing simplicity to me....
 
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This Samsung is junk. All they did was plop a bunch of high-spec parts into a poorly-designed, laughably priced rectangle that doesn't work due to all those software bugs. Apple, please don't do this to the iPhone.
 
No phone is worth $1400, Android or iPhone.
No phone should be worth $1400
Probably true. But what telephones are you talking about? Calling these devices $1400 telephones is like calling a car a $35,000 air conditioner.

And a teaching point about “worth.” Worth is what the market says it is. If people buy it, that’s what it’s worth. There is no intrinsic value.
 
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people.

Imo, the best value is still the regular S20. The only issue is that Samsung only offers it in 128GB config, forcing you to spend more on the higher end models if you want more internal storage.
Samsung give people the option of using relatively low cost micoSD cards to increase internal storage.
 
At some point the camera gets good enough that I don't need to carry a camera like a Sony RX100 around - at that point it's well worth it. (it will be a long while before the camera can compete with full size sensor devices, of course, but small sensor cameras are within striking distance)

They are within striking distance only under good lighting conditions, where the SNR is so high that it masks the shot noise. Once the light drops it's not even close.

I can take pictures at 12800 ISO on my Pentax K-P that are perfectly usable. I cannot on my iPhone and due to quantum efficiency will never be able to get anywhere near that.
 
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Samsung mobiles prices drop like Apples in front of Sir Isaac Newton eyes in no time! They can charge anything initially and they know it won’t sustain! No mobile worth $1400 forget S20 Ultra alone for that matter!
 
Haha... probably.

But I thought technology is supposed to get faster and cheaper over time?

Phones have certainly gotten faster... but the prices keep rising.

What happened?

A long time ago a 55" 4K TV was $4,000. Now I can get one for $400

And yet phones went in the opposite direction.
That’s because there are no idiotic fanboys making excuses for overpriced tv sets.
 
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I know there are those who love their Samsung phones but...

I just got a used Samsung Galaxy S7 on Swappa the other day (arguably the "best" smartphone made a few years ago) running Android 8.0. I needed to get an Android phone to run one important app that's not available on iOS.

After playing with it for a couple days, I'm totally done with it. The Android/Google interface bugs me and the OLED screen really bugs my eyes. To me, the whole experience is so inferior to using any iPhone. I'd rather use an old iPhone 6 on iOS 9 than that thing.
Good thing I only need to use it for just that one app cuz I'm sure not going to use it any other time. It sucks

awesome. Thanks for letting us Know.
 
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A penny for every time I hear that one.
No phone is worth that, sure. If making/receiving calls is all it does.
A personal computer, with great cameras, sat nav, music and media player that fits in your pocket.
$1400 is the price of a computer with less.
The definition of the word phone needs re-defining since people won't stop calling them phones and continuing to do so won't drop their price either.
No smartphone is worth $1400 imo. No matter how you define what a phone is, the answer is still no... and the definition doesn't need to change btw. Smartphone implies everything you listed. Everything you listed can be done, and done well, on devices that cost far less than even a thousand dollars. Whether you wan't iOS or Android there is no need to spend that type of money to get great cameras, navigation, music, and media player that fits in your pocket.
 
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They didn’t care about larger displays or OLED displays?

Huh? Seriously? Are you really suggesting Apple was not aware of large displays and that they could be used in a phone?

Apple brought large display/OLED phones to market when manufacturing factors made sense; ie display panel cost being low enough, adequate reliability, display supply availability in huge volumes on short notice, etc.

No doubt there were a few dozen prototypes of phones with large/OLED displays in Apple's labs before the 6+ was introduced.
 
It honestly doesn't matter for the majority of consumers, people buy based on their OS preference. iPhone's will always sell more because of the consistency across all price points. It may be a good phone, but nothing is going to change the fact that iPhone will sell better.
 
No phone should be worth $1400

No one ever pays ‘full retail’ for a smart phone. Think about’ it for a second, you have trade-ins/promotions/store incentives that generally lower the price of a smart phone.

How many consumers/people do you know that actually goes to a phone retailer and pays full price? [Rhetorical] I doubt you know anyone that does that, because consumers realize that there’s other ways to achieve the phone at a lower price point with the considerations I mentioned above.
 
It's interesting how we've gotten to this point where handheld devices sell for prices that were once considered to be premium in the laptop and desktop computer categories. Also interesting that we're not hearing the same level of abject hatred towards Samsung, from the PC crowd that used to rail on Apple for the high price of their laptops.

I assume a good number of the old guard PC crowd, who would never be seen using an Apple product, are current Android users, because of course they have to use whatever isn't Apple.

I get that for some people, their handheld device is their computer, but Samsung's race to lead in bleeding edge specifications is exactly what the old PC makers used to do and look where that got them.
 
No one ever pays ‘full retail’ for a smart phone. Think about’ it for a second, you have trade-ins/promotions/store incentives that generally lower the price of a smart phone.

How many consumers/people do you know that actually goes to a phone retailer and pays full price? [Rhetorical] I doubt you know anyone that does that, because consumers realize that there’s other ways to achieve the phone at a lower price point with the considerations I mentioned above.

Every year, since the original iPhone, I pay full price for a new iPhone via the apple store on-line. About half the time I pay full price for two such phones.
 
Samsung is the worst of all the Apple copycats. Why? Because Samsung first makes commercials that (rightfully) harshly make fun of Apple’s bad design choices such as removing the headphone jack and including a notch. And then afterwards, Samsung copies those exact same bad design choices! Look at this S20, for example, with no headphone jack and the inclusion of a notch.
No. If they were still doing it then yes.
Lots of companies do things like that, say one thing and then change their mind.
Have you NEVER changed your mind, (that was a rhetorical question)?
 
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