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Hands-On With the New 4K 23.7-Inch LG UltraFine Display
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Apple has never announced a 6K display so that wouldn’t make sense.
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And the frame isn’t even “ugly”. It’s minimalist and has a professional look. Still hoping for an Apple version with laminated glass like the iMac though.
Does it support True Tone, as the old ultrafine's? As I remember, the old ultrafine 4k and 5k was able to use the sensor from macbook.
Moreover...what happened to the much more useful 16:10 aspect ratio 24 inch monitors?
That is what I currently use...@1920x1200
Waiting (forever it seems) for someone to release a 24 inch 3840x2400 to replace it with...
That is what I currently use...@1920x1200
Waiting (forever it seems) for someone to release a 24 inch 3840x2400 to replace it with...
And so we see again the problem that is afflicting Apple. Where people care more about how something looks than how it functions.
So the thing could work poorly and be pretty and you would be happy?
Dell Ultrasharp monitors have design elements that resemble iMacs or Apple Displays. They could get inspiration from there, for example. The LG design is very ugly.
The message wasn't meant for you, was meant to that user and the rest of the users that have hopes this will be under 1599$I could care less, I’m going to get 3 to hook up to the new Mac Pro when it comes out. That should last me another 5 years.
I guess it will be around 1599$-2000$
Or.....they could have just included at least one HDMI port and display port so that 90% of the rest of the computing world could use it.
I completely agree with your last comment. That's why I bought a BlackMagic eGPU (the cheapest one with Radeon 580), and my 5K is now beautifully driven with no issues. There is only an annoying effect, if one has two displays (like me with a small HDMI display branched directly to my MacMini): when a reboot is required, one has to set again resolution, arrangements, and so on. However, this is a minor point for me... I usually reboot only after a macOS update.
I picked up an ACER Nitro VG270bmiipx 4K Ultra HD 27" LED Gaming Monitor a few months back for under £300. Runs happily at 2560 x 1440 scaled resolution. Is a vibrant IPS panel with no issues. Runs nicely over display port. Very happy
This makes me curious: can you give one or a few examples of a monitor that you think is well designed?
I actually think the display has a nice design. A colleague at work have the 22" version and I think it looks fine with a calm design not asking for much attention.
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Ultrasharp design reminds me lot of Apple Cinema / TB Displays. Maybe they even got "inspired" with that design.
For those wondering why people care about design they don't care about presentation. I have customers who visit my office and I want it to look professional. Presentation counts and having a clean looking consistent desk counts no matter what kind of work you are doing. This dumpy black monitor is not up to Apple's aesthetics. I'll keep holding on to my Thunderbolt monitors until they fail and I can't find parts to repair them.
Gaudy, plastic, clunky, bezel'd to the maxxx.
Apple doesn't seem to understand it's user base, who also want great design.
This thing looks like a super cheap Dell monitor, with literally zero thought into it's design, and more of a "we have extra plastic, use it and slap the screen in there."
Apple doesn't seem to understand it's user base, who also want great design.
This thing looks like a super cheap Dell monitor, with literally zero thought into it's design, and more of a "we have extra plastic, use it and slap the screen in there."
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Or, to put it another way, it's what most of the PC industry happily calls "4k" and the same resolution as "4k" TV. Yeah, 3840 is (let me do some Fields Medal-worthy math here) less than 4000 but that particular fudge can't be blamed on Apple? The old model was (arguably) "true" 4k which, maybe, justified a higher price.
Arble farble gloop?
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NR: "looks like 1920x1080" is 4k UHD. Ignore the numbers.Slightly simplified answer: a "retina" display always runs at full resolution. The "looks like" setting just affects the size of system font, icons etc. Unless you're using ancient software that doesn't support retina, all of your content will display at the full resolution of the display.
More accurately: the above is mostly true at "looks like 1920x1080" which basically just doubles the size of system fonts and icons - other "scaled" modes get the effect by rendering to a higher resolution internally then down-scale to 3840x1260. So "looks like 2560x1440" is actually 5k (5120x2880) shrunk down to 4k. The result is not quite as pin sharp as a double-size modes but is much more detailed than standard-def 2560x1440p. I've got a 28" "4k" UHD display, that I mostly run at "looks like 1440p" sitting next to a 5k iMac and while - duh! - its not as pin-sharp as the iMac its very acceptable, and on a 23" screen I doubt you'd see the difference and, frankly, get off the desk, put down the jeweller's loupe, stop doing A/B comparisons with a $1500 5k display and get on with the job
The downside is that the whole render-to-5k-and-downscale thing is more demanding on GPU and VRAM and while an iMac or 15" MBP shouldn't break a sweat, it might be an issue on a lower-end MBP or a Mini that depended on integrated graphics and used system RAM for video. Especially if you wanted to run multiple monitors. Definitely get the 16GB RAM in the mini for that...
Uh, the previous 21" display had a single USB-C port and used "USB-C DisplayPort alt mode" (which only supports a single 4k display at 60Hz, and even then not at the same time as USB-3). The 5k 27" Ultrafine had a single Thunderbolt port - same physical connector, totally different communication protocol - and Thunderbolt can only support a single 5k display (as two 4k displays), so a daisy-chain port would have made little sense (ideally, you don't want other high-performance peripherals on the same TB bus as a 5k display). This new display is 4k and Thunderbolt which can support two 4k displays and provide USB 3 ports. Plus, the second TB3 port ought to be able to drive any DisplayPort or HDMI device with the appropriate adapter.
I wouldn't say its ugly (the 'forehead' on the 5k is ugly, even if its not a deal-breaker) - its neutral and functional (which is what some people will want) and probably has better ergonomics than an iMac. What I would say is that - as a premium-priced display that is clearly targeted at Mac users - you might reasonably expect some more Mac-like aesthetics for your money.
True - I'd assumed that, as a Thunderbolt display, it wouldn't work with iPad or 12" MacBook - but fortunately I looked at the Apple store page before spouting and apparently it does support 'regular' USB-C/DisplayPort as well.
Also, some comment on the speaker quality would have been good - the iMac (and older Thunderbolt/Cinema displays) has excellent sound - not throw-away-your-studio-monitors excellent, but far better than you'd reasonably expect from grill-less speakers built into a display.
2x is probably an exaggeration - here in the UK there's a Dell 24" 4K P2415Q for £400 c.f. £629 for the LG - and I wouldn't presume that the Dell has a comparable display panel (its not P3 wide gamut, and isn't their 'Ultrasharp' premium brand). Basically, you're getting 24"@4k for 27"@4k money - so the "value" depends on what size you actually want.
Also, this is a Thunderbolt display that can charge your MacBook Pro at 85W and act as a "dock" for 3 USB devices (...and USB 3 unlike the USB 2 you get on USB-C/Displayport monitors). That functionality is pretty rare, and costs money. Frankly, though, I'd prefer to see more "dock" functionality for the price (Ethernet, USB-A, SD, audio...) because if you need a TB3 dock as well it kinda reduces the benefit of having a Thunderbolt display. Still, its a desktop device so its not such a big deal to hang dongles off the back...
Deal-breaker for me (apart from that I'd probably prefer 27") as with all the Apple/LG displays is the lack of any additional video inputs so that I can hook up my server/Linux box/old laptop/Raspberry Pi/etc. when needed - which won't bother some people, but are pretty much standard on any other half-decent display. Apparently, making a Mac-focussed product for the Apple store entails ripping out all of the extra features that you'd normally provide at the same price.
What a stupid design, the placing of the ports and power would make the monitor useless on my fixed VESA mount setup. I don't get it.
First World Problems...it looks perfectly fine. If the design disappears into the background and allows you to focus on the content of the display, it has done its job. Be more worried about some of the gaming monitors that are floating around from Acer, Asus, HP Omen, et al.
Hopefully, Apple will bring some elegant new Cinema Displays to WWDC that harken back to the older aluminum displays. Those certainly stand the test of time, design wise. Of course, they were expensive as all get out back in their day.
4K?
Where's the 8K?
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Where's the 8K?
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My 2008 23-inch Apple Cinema HD Display has been moved to the Mac mini (2018) since the new Mac Pro has not been released.
I like the 27" LED IPS monitors the best. I don't want a 30" - it's just as you said - flaming hot!
I was really sad when I initially retired my 30" aluminum beast. It had been with me through so much, but as soon as I realized I wouldn't have to work in sweltering conditions anymore, I got over it real fast.
I do miss the aspect ratio of it though. If the upcoming Apple 6K monitor gives me more vertical space, it'll be very hard for me to resist.
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Are the LG 5K monitors flicker free? I have one, but I don't actually know for sure. My eyes believe that they're flicker free because I can stare at this thing all day without eyestrain. It's amazing.
I have the 27' version - still sits in its box because it turns out it is limited in its use. I wanted to place it on a wall mount to have court of a standing desk (which for various reasons I cannot install in my office). Turns out these e monitors only have USB-C/thiunderbold ports. Problem is that I need a good 20 feet cable, which are non existent for those ports. A HDMI port would have been nice but no... So this thing goes elsewhere and I got to get another monitor...
That looks like an uglier version of the LG to me. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder?
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Everything except the Apple ones look gaudy and distract from the screen. Especially the ugly stands.
