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This feels and works so much better than Series 0, especially with LTE. It does what we had all hoped Series 0 would have (should have) done outside of the box in April 2015
 
Well, people are already charging their phones midday anyways.
There's a difference of plugging in a phone that's sitting on the desk unused and topping it off, vs. needing to take off a watch and not be able to use it while charging.

Battery life and performance are likely areas that Apple will continue to work on and improve
Perhaps, but how long has the apple watch been rated for 18 hours? Not much has changed in that rating since the original watch. Apple is making things better yes, performance is wonderful, but if you're going to use the watch as a phone replacement the battery life is abysmal.
 
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Are you sure about that?

Series 2:
Chipset Apple S2
CPU Dual-core 780 MHz Cortex-A7

Series 1:
Chipset Apple S1P
CPU Dual-core 520 MHz Cortex-A7

I'm no expert, but I think those 260 MHz might make enough of a difference.
There are no performance tests showing Series 2 outperforming Series 1. The chipset difference is attributed to GPS differences.

I’d be curious to know where you got the clock speed numbers that aren’t reflected in real-world performance.
 
There's a difference of plugging in a phone that's sitting on the desk unused and topping it off, vs. needing to take off a watch and not be able to use it while charging.


Perhaps, but how long has the apple watch been rated for 18 hours? Not much as changed in that rating since the original watch. Apple is making things better yes, performance is wonderful, but if you're going to use the watch as a phone replacement the battery life is abysmal.

The watch is rated for 18 hours of standalone use. I am currently using the series 2 and typically end the day at ~60%, so I can get by 2 days before needing to recharge it.

You are right in that battery life doesn’t seem to have improved much, and improved processors and better algorithms can only do so much. Nor do I think Apple will include a thicker battery and make the watch thicker. So it will be interesting to see how Apple tackles this problem, because I do believe their end goal is full day battery life for the watch as a standalone device.
 
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This is why some reviewers are disappointed about battery life because they want to use it like they would the phone and it’s not designed for this. Lte is there when you need it in a pinch such as gym, walking the dog, running, etc. There are so many instances where it will be very useful and you will get all day battery life as long as you don’t use it as a phone replacement.
Does it have enough battery to do all that?
 
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I know what you mean about the red dot. I would never buy a Leica camera because they have a big red dot.
I was actually pointing out a nice solution for those who don’t like the red dot. I don’t really have a problem with it. And it’s definitely the price that usually stops me from buying an outstanding Leica, not the logo! :)
 
Are you sure about that?

Series 2:
Chipset Apple S2
CPU Dual-core 780 MHz Cortex-A7

Series 1:
Chipset Apple S1P
CPU Dual-core 520 MHz Cortex-A7

I'm no expert, but I think those 260 MHz might make enough of a difference.
You are definitely not an expert!

You are confusing S1P processor speed with the S1 processor found in the first gen Apple Watch.

“The SiP in Apple Watch Series 1 is called S1P and looks superficially identical to the S1, and it includes most of the new features of the Apple S2 except notably for the on-chip GPS functionality. It contains the same dual-core CPU with the same new GPU capabilities as the S2 making it about 50% faster than the S1.”
 
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I do not understand why Apple did not improve the battery life of the Apple Watch since it has LTE and GPS which eat up a lot of battery. The 18 hour capacity is a deal breaker for me. I have a Sleep Disorder and need a watch which tracks my sleep. I have a Garmin vivoactive HR which has a 5 day battery life and does sleep tracking. I was looking to upgrade to a better watch like the Garmin fenix 5X which has more features for working out and longer battery life but decided to wait and see what Apple was offering in the AW 3 on the advice of the Apple Store at Best Buy . The battery life really disappointed me because the indication from the Best Buy employees was that Apple was going to improve the battery life. What a waste of time. I will never listen to another Apple Store employee again. It looks like I am going to pick up the Garmin fenix 5x. Apple really dropped the ball on this one.
You are just trolling, right? A Best Buy employee gave you the inside track on Apple products? Ok. Sounds like this watch isn't for you. No product will satisfy all people 100%. May need to just get over it. Also, the battery life is improved. If it wasn't improved it wouldn't last as long with the features.
 
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There's a difference of plugging in a phone that's sitting on the desk unused and topping it off, vs. needing to take off a watch and not be able to use it while charging.

I think Apple's hoping that they can increase the range of their Qi wireless charging (Airpower) so you never need to take the watch off.
That would work for me for office and home, but not while travelling, so I'll stick to my Casio (multi-year battery life :)).
 
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The real question is why do you always have your phone with you? If you could still have the functionality of the phone, without having to take it everywhere, do you really not see at least some opportunities for leaving it behind?

When reading and composing emails and iMessages, making a photograph (I make a lot of photographs being a photographer), reading the news, looking at and interacting with a map, checking my home security system, receiving or making a phone call, listening to music, and on and on while I'm out and about, I'd much rather interact with a 12.8 square inch screen and keyboard, rather than a 1.4 square inch screen and keyboard.

The difference is beyond night and day. Simple.

While I understand how serious runners will have a strong use case and is no doubt ideal, as a cyclist, I'd much rather have my phone.

With respect to the red dot... I think it looks sharp!
 
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my grandfather always told me - only 3 types of watches. Disposable, Dress and the ones you buy to leave your grandkids.

A $399 chunky gadget watch made in Taiwan is non of those. well, unless you the kind of person who thinks coca-cola is a dinner drink.

Your grandfather over thought watches.
 
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When reading and composing emails and iMessages, making a photograph (I make a lot of photographs being a photographer), reading the news, looking at and interacting with a map, checking my home security system, receiving or making a phone call, listening to music, and on and on while I'm out and about, I'd much rather interact with a 12.8 square inch screen and keyboard, rather than a 1.4 square inch screen and keyboard.

The difference is beyond night and day. Simple.

While I understand how serious runners will have a strong use case and is no doubt ideal, as a cyclist, I'd much rather have my phone.

With respect to the red dot... I think it looks sharp!
I would think that a real photographer would use a real camera not a phone.
 
I would think that a real photographer would use a real camera not a phone.

What exactly is a real photographer?

It sounds like you're in the camp that making photographs is about gear. And, that acquiring/purchasing better gear makes one a better photographer. Nonsense.

Photography is about making photographs. And compelling photographs come from the photographer. It's the photographer's eye, life experiences, curiosity, imagination, skill, understanding of light, ability to compose, use of ambiguity and mystery to selectively reveal/hide information, etc that drive the creation of strong images that have the power to stir a viewer's imagination and interest in a viewed photograph.

Over the years, I've noticed that people who believe that excellent photography is about having the best gear, usually end up making photographs that aren't very interesting.
 
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I beg to differ...I am training for me second marathon with Apple Watch and it has been working flawlessly. GPS has been very accurate where I am training in Florida. Nike Run Club app is what I use.

Totally agree. Series 2 owner here and it has been superb for my half marathons.
Well done in marathon no. 2 by the way.
Having completed 1 marathon I have the utmost respect for the distance and anyone who can complete one.
 
If you were a runner you wouldn't say that. Carrying your phone when you run is an encumberment no matter how you look at it. For anyone who exercises will appreciate the LTE, and that's a huge segment of the population. Apple knows what they are doing and who they are targeting with this device. It's NOT aimed at the dodo that wants to talk to his/her wrist, it's aimed to move the needle in fitness wearable market and take on the competition. e.g. Garmin.

Samsung already moved that needle with the Gear 3 LTE. Works flawlessly. Sold my Series 2 and went to the Gear. After owning the Apple Series 1 and 2, I find the Gear 3 to be the better watch all around. Samsung's marketing just isn't as good.
 
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my grandfather always told me - only 3 types of watches. Disposable, Dress and the ones you buy to leave your grandkids.

A $399 chunky gadget watch made in Taiwan is non of those. well, unless you the kind of person who thinks coca-cola is a dinner drink.

Your grandfather probably says only buy 3 types of phone, Bakelite, curly corded or payphone. Which one do you own?

Point is he is missing one because they didn’t exist Back when people bought watches for those reasons...smart.

And $399 is not a lot for what it can do... if you only want to tell the time. Move along.
 
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Totally agree. Series 2 owner here and it has been superb for my half marathons.
Well done in marathon no. 2 by the way.
Having completed 1 marathon I have the utmost respect for the distance and anyone who can complete one.

As an aside, about two months ago I watched two San Francisco police officers cross the finish line of the San Francisco Marathon. Wearing full uniform, ballistic vest, and gear (belt, weapon, two extra magazines, two pairs handcuffs, collapsible baton, radios, etc). Roughly thirty pounds worth, IIRC. Rather clunky looking shoes, too. Pretty amazing, and it was the full 26 miles. Total respect...
 
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In a boardroom? Unless you are at a tech company I assure you the red dot won't be the reason your watch is sticking out like a sore thumb.

I’ve not dealt with companies because boardmembers were wearing watches that cost more than a house. Bit 1980s wolf of Wall Street.
 
Seems like LTE is just another one of those half baked features boot strapped into an Apple product and sold at a premium. Doesn't sound ready yet. It sounds like even having the Watch your network deal is more effort/money that it's worth.
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They did it so their customers can rest easy in the knowledge that those around them will know they have the MORE EXPENSIVE LTE VERSION.
I did it because I saw Dick Tracy do it in the funnies :) That and Star Trek...
No intelligent life down here. It's only $70 more..its not like owning a Porsche.
I can't see how having the phone in the watch won't be handy on so many levels.
Biking, exercising, and maybe not getting a $500 ticket for talking on the phone :)
 
What exactly is a real photographer?

It sounds like you're in the camp that making photographs is about gear. And, that acquiring/purchasing better gear makes one a better photographer. Nonsense.

Photography is about making photographs. And compelling photographs come from the photographer. It's the photographer's eye, life experiences, curiosity, imagination, skill, understanding of light, ability to compose, use of ambiguity and mystery to selectively reveal/hide information, etc that drive the creation of strong images that have the power to stir a viewer's imagination and interest in a viewed photograph.

Over the years, I've noticed that people who believe that excellent photography is about having the best gear, usually end up making photographs that aren't very interesting.
If you hired a professional photographer to photograph your wedding, would you expect him to show up with an iPhone? A camera in a phone severely limits your creativity when taking photographs. How do you make a 10 second exposure with your iPhone camera to blur a water fall? It's just not possible to for a phone to offer the versatility of lenses, exposures, and creativity that a real camera can.
 
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If you hired a professional photographer to photograph your wedding, would you expect him to show up with an iPhone? A camera in a phone severely limits your creativity when taking photographs. How do you make a 10 second exposure with your iPhone camera to blur a water fall? It's just not possible to for a phone to offer the versatility of lenses, exposures, and creativity that a real camera can.

Yup, and shooters for the NBA and NFL would not use a phone either. That's a given and you're missing my point.

Which was taking issue that a "real photographer" would use a "real camera" and not a phone. Which is total bs.

It's fascinating that comes up so often in photography forums. Almost every time people who make that claim have ho-hum photographs to show, and are not very creative. For them, it's all about gear and its acquisition, and always needing "The Best." As if plunking down their credit card to buy a shiny new expensive camera will magically make them a better photographer.

I've yet to feel my creativity limited by my phone. Rather, I find it greatly stimulated. I also have full-frame and "mirrorless" cameras, and a 4x5 Arca-Swiss.
 
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