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My great-grandfather told me there’s only three types of horse-drawn vehicle. Trap, Cart, and Carriage.

You basically claiming any "tech advancement" as a fix all. And there is the root of the problem. Just like we created a modern interpretation of a carriage that made it obsolete we will do the same with the wrist watch. This contraption, isn't it.
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Which surely means your grandfather was wrong?

Sure, made in Taiwan watches are all the rage. Enjoy your Coca-Cola
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Ooh, but aren’t you so clever and sophisticated?!

How many kinds of telephones did your grandfather describe, and did he think any of them were ‘for carrying around with you, finding your way, and sending electronic mail?’

Read my comment again... See if you realize why your reply is so off the mark. I'll give you a hint... Same reason a Casio keyboard is not on stage at the NY Philharmonic. And a Fazioli is not at your local daycare.
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That sounds incredibly pretentious.

It is as pretentious as thinking a Bic Pen is not a proper gift for an anniversary. Or McDonald's isn't dinner party food. Or that a suit off the rack made in China is not worth top dollar.

I Think the better word is - selective.
 
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It is as pretentious as thinking a Bic Pen is not a proper gift for an anniversary. Or McDonald's isn't dinner party food. Or that a suit off the rack made in China is not worth top dollar.

I Think the better word is - selective.
It's pretentious. And opinionated.
 
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That is a great price. $10 a month here in the U.S. And Apple Pay is very hit or miss, though Cabs now have it which would be one of the key issues on a run that goes badly with a sprained ankle or something like that.

Cabs? What year is it in New York? :rolleyes:

... I Uber around for everything. Taxis aren’t well liked here in Toronto. They’re famous for being jerks on the road and have taken to shutting down the city in protest against Uber (like that’s going to help turn public opinion in their favour).
 
Sure, made in Taiwan watches are all the rage. Enjoy your Coca-Cola

What's that got to do with my comment?

You said:

my grandfather always told me - only 3 types of watches. Disposable, Dress and the ones you buy to leave your grandkids.

A $399 chunky gadget watch made in Taiwan is non of those. well, unless you the kind of person who thinks coca-cola is a dinner drink.

My observation was that your grandfather said their were only 3 types of watches, yet you've identified a watch that doesn't fit into any of those 3 types. So surely you're saying there's a 4th type and therefore your grandfather was wrong?
 
You basically claiming any "tech advancement" as a fix all. And there is the root of the problem. Just like we created a modern interpretation of a carriage that made it obsolete we will do the same with the wrist watch. This contraption, isn't it.

Implicit in my post was this point: The motor car replaced and enhanced the horse drawn carriage.

The Apple Watch isn’t a mechanical wristwatch; it’s a computer on your wrist that tells the time and it’s evolving. The motor car will be replaced and enhanced by becoming powered more ecologically and efficiently, and eventually it will drive itself. It was necessary to have the motor car to get to that point and beyond. So it is with the Apple Watch.

When wristwatches were first invented they were scoffed at as being a “more or less of a joke”

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/05/history-wristwatch-apple-watch/391424/

So your grandfather’s quaint opinion on wristwatches is a view from a snapshot in time and no more.
 
my grandfather always told me - only 3 types of watches. Disposable, Dress and the ones you buy to leave your grandkids.

A $399 chunky gadget watch made in Taiwan is non of those. well, unless you the kind of person who thinks coca-cola is a dinner drink.
I don’t see how that has any relevance to a 2017 computer/phone on your wrist.
 
Cabs? What year is it in New York? :rolleyes:

... I Uber around for everything. Taxis aren’t well liked here in Toronto. They’re famous for being jerks on the road and have taken to shutting down the city in protest against Uber (like that’s going to help turn public opinion in their favour).

Uber is actually much more famous for being jerks here in NYC. Though actually I thought that was something that was understood globally at this point. So I won't use them except in an emergency and where no other service is available. But yes I use Lyft or Juno from time to time. But in Manhattan and much of Brooklyn, you can catch a cab very quickly on the street, so faster than waiting for a car service. Cost works out to be the same in most cases.
 
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Last night I went to a meeting and took my cellular iPad, and was wearing my new watch. I left my phone at home. When I turned on the Personal Hotspot on the iPad, the watch automatically connected to it.
I also paired my watch with my car's bluetooth hands free phone system, and called home using the car's phone controls. The car showed the watch's battery level and signal strength, just as it does for my iPhone.
When I went to bed, my watch still had a 50% charge after 15.5 hours.
 
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Implicit in my post was this point: The motor car replaced and enhanced the horse drawn carriage.

The Apple Watch isn’t a mechanical wristwatch; it’s a computer on your wrist that tells the time and it’s evolving. The motor car will be replaced and enhanced by becoming powered more ecologically and efficiently, and eventually it will drive itself. It was necessary to have the motor car to get to that point and beyond. So it is with the Apple Watch.

When wristwatches were first invented they were scoffed at as being a “more or less of a joke”

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/05/history-wristwatch-apple-watch/391424/

So your grandfather’s quaint opinion on wristwatches is a view from a snapshot in time and no more.

Yes, they were a joke - just like the original motor cars were considered noisy, bulky, inefficient and overly expensive. It wasn't till years of refinement that it became a true option. The same is happening with electric cars and will happen with Self Driving cars.

yes, That is where we are with the "gadget" watches. My statement does not excludes advancement in the concept of a watch - just like yours - in reality it is setting a goal. People want to say that all that matters is that it is a "computer" on your wrist... Well for some it is not true. Just like swapping the combustion engine for an electronic engine wasn't the end all 8 years ago.

Yes, one day we will get the "Tesla" moment in the smartwatch watch industry. My statement never denied that either - simply said the Apple watch isn't it. I 100% agree, it is a stepping stone... my original statement does not prevent it from being that.
 
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Uber is actually much more famous for being jerks here in NYC. Though actually I thought that was something that was understood globally at this point.
It's been years since I've been to NYC and likely several more before I return. *shrug* Everywhere else I've used Uber, the drivers have been generally been quite nice. Wouldn't have thought there'd be a difference in NYC.
 
It's been years since I've been to NYC and likely several more before I return. *shrug* Everywhere else I've used Uber, the drivers have been generally been quite nice. Wouldn't have thought there'd be a difference in NYC.

Drivers are fine. They are just guys trying to make a buck. It is the head office that is nasty and corrupt. These are bad guys, with a bad culture that is exploitive and willing to do anything (illegal and immoral) to get ahead. With almost no cost or inconvenience to use a different ride sharing company in most markets, I think folks should just drop Uber and use someone else. Lyft has a much better corporate culture. But in a market like New York, you can use a lot of ride sharing companies.
 
The red dot sticks out like a sore thumb. Anyone else hopes it gets removed for Series 4?
Once you purchase a Leica camera, the ones with the red dot for $ 10,000 and a lens or two for it at $ 6500 each, you will realize that a red dot is expensive.
 
LOL. I own an Omega. It was my father's until he passed 20+ years ago. It sits under a glass dome as a nice memento.

I could buy as many new Omega watches as I wish... but I don't really care. I'm interested in fulfiment of requirements and the advances in technology have left simple chronographs way behind.

Nothing wrong if those make you happy, but don't be so silly as to assume everyone thinks the same way.


Actually i said most people do. Not everyone. You miss the point of owning a Omega or a Rolex in the first place. It what the watch is not what it does. Not a hard concept. Just like fine art will continue to be around now and well into the future. Put a Rolex or Omega in one hand and a Apple watch in another and find me a person who would rather take a apple watch. Good luck with that.

And that Omega that your father wore means nothing to you? Right? Why don’t you just sell it since it just sits under a glass case? See, with a apple watch there would be nothing left to leave. Just a ancient electronic device. That Omega was on your fathers wrist, a personal item that he owned given to you. That still works.

Most people cherish what their parents leave them and surely something as personal as a watch. I still wear my fathers heuer carrera that he gave me. Every time i look down at the watch i think of my dad. That to me is priceless. Comparing a apple watch to that is absurd to me. Since a apple watch will not be able to do that for you. It brings a smile to my face knowing my kid will experience the same.

I am sure you can buy as ‘many omegas as you wish’ ;) lol. Ok. Most people cannot afford just one let alone many. $6000 plus is alot to spend on a watch.

There isn’t a comparison to be made between a Omega that was had crafted by a watch maker and will out live you and a apple watch. Most people realize this. Most people do not compare the two and own both. Its like comparing a phone to a mechanical watch. None to be made. Its a recyclable device on your wrist like a phone. I like mine for what it is. A usable device on my wrist with a great design inspired by fine watch making.

They both have their place. Dont confuse the two.
 
Actually i said most people do. Not everyone.

Now you're backpedaling.
You will not find a young person, old person or anyone in between that would take a apple watch over a omega or a rolex.

That's pretty definitively "everyone". To say you can't find any "A" is saying you don't think they exist.

You miss the point of owning a Omega or a Rolex in the first place. It what the watch is not what it does. Not a hard concept.

No need to be insulting.

You mistake disagreement for lack of understanding. I fully understand the concept (and your point) and know several folks who feel the same way as you do. *shrug* Nothing wrong with that at all. Each to their own. I simply don't feel the same way.

When you blanket everyone as thinking the same way about it as you do, then you're going to get called out on it by those of us who don't.

Please don't be one of those people who can't grasp that differing opinions exist; someone else feeling differently about Omegas or Rolexes doesn't mean they don't understand the concept, nor does it invalidate your personal feeling about the topic. No need to feel insulted when someone points out they don't feel the same way as you do.

Put a Rolex or Omega in one hand and a Apple watch in another and find me a person who would rather take a apple watch. Good luck with that.
Now you're back to implying something about everyone, directly contradicting your own words earlier in the same post.

BTW - I would take the Rolex or Omega and promptly sell it, using the proceeds to buy an Apple watch. If I couldn't sell them, I'd pick the Apple Watch. Given your assumption that everyone thinks the same way you do you may not believe me, but I'm being completely 100% honest.

And that Omega that your father wore means nothing to you?
Never said that. You're assuming the only way to "value" it is to wear it. Not true. Rest of your verging-on-childish assertion is thus moot.


I am sure you can buy as ‘many omegas as you wish’ ;) lol. Ok. Most people cannot afford just one let alone many. $6000 plus is alot to spend on a watch.
Believe what you want. I told the truth. Though part of why I have the liquid assets sufficient to buy several Omegas is that I don't buy them. :)

Most people do not compare the two and own both. Its like comparing a phone to a mechanical watch. None to be made. Its a recyclable device on your wrist like a phone. I like mine for what it is. A usable device on my wrist with a great design inspired by fine watch making.
Who's comparing? They serve very different purposes, although they intersect at the telling-you-the-time requirement and perhaps a couple other requirements. I have no need or desire for an expensive work of art on my wrist; I do find that a wrist-borne multiple-channel communications device is very handy through much of the day. If your preferences are the reverse there's nothing wrong with that.
 
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