Oh no did they pull a 13” MBP on us? Do you have to order a 512 to get the full speed? And wait a minute why TF is 256 still the base storage in 2023?
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Hands-On With the New M2 Pro Mac Mini
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Oh no did they pull a 13” MBP on us? Do you have to order a 512 to get the full speed? And wait a minute why TF is 256 still the base storage in 2023?
If they're not at least $500 I'm not buying!
Makes you think if the 'influencers' are kinda 'in-on' this shenanigans!
I mean the word 'influence' cannot just be a coincidence, right?
Either way I highly doubt this is something John Ternus and his team was involved in deciding on this. Either way MANY mac users NEED to push this to the influencers and directly to Apple on all fronts, forums, comments to influencers oohs and ahhs on product releases and any social platform.
I feel mac only users have become too complacent to 'accept' shifty moves like this, or the 2017 MacBook that lasted 1yr in production and poof nothing else with pitiful performance.
When Apple sees a significant enough return rate and clogging up their supply routes with shipping and receiving going in reverse, they'll more than likely take notice.
True. Yet would it not be FASTER to use the camera connected via USB-C 3.2 or TB3/4 with the SD still inserted internally?
It's even more logical from a cost perspective NOT to do 2 types of storage modules.
1. you cannot negotiate a large bulk price which will be used across 12 sku's minimum,
2. you cannot achieve THE best economies of scale for the higher speed SSDs, and I'm sure the lower speeds are not getting cheaper than they are regardless of volume. The industry has already factored in lowest possible profit:cost on the supply side for mid to low range computing products.
3. The higher memory bandwidth of the M2 Pro and Max will take advantage of the faster SSDs while the M2 wouldn't and have just a marginally slower speed.
The optics would far MUCH better if Apple didn't do what they did.
LMAO .. I use comic sans in email or SNOW all the time. The spacing is better in Windows 10 on any resolution or screen size or pixel density, especially with Windows' scaling going beyond 100%. I've never read nor heard of what you speak of in 14yrs, but I know what how to fix what I break or fix what others break - for the most part. If I cannot, I learn and THAT is the beauty of I.T. - never stays stagnant, like VGA
They are definitely complicit. I thought I saw years ago that over 90% of Mac sales were “standard” configs, yet the early reviewers are constantly reviewing BTO options. This happened again as it seemed none got the base config and even the ones who did get the M2 Pro got a BTO option of a 1TB drive. They should push back on Apple and only accept those standard configurations for the Apple supplied review units.
/rant
LMAO .. I use comic sans in email or SNOW all the time. The spacing is better in Windows 10 on any resolution or screen size or pixel density, especially with Windows' scaling going beyond 100%. I've never read nor heard of what you speak of in 14yrs, but I know what how to fix what I break or fix what others break - for the most part. If I cannot, I learn and THAT is the beauty of I.T. - never stays stagnant, like VGA
Hmm... I wonder if I change my work email to Comic Sans, will it keep my boss from assigning me difficult tasks? 🤣
Mac mini is a great computer. Disappointing to see lower SSD speeds.
Same here, and I must think whether I would be happy running a home studio mic included with the high-pitched noise reported from the Studio or not. On the other hand, last night the teardown of the Mac mini M2 Pro with 12c GPU shows a bigger fan and heatsink. But officially, it runs at 5DB while the Mac Studio base model, the same price, 15 DB.
M2 Pro vs M1 Max: How come the M2 Pro is slower for multi core? Isn't M2 Pro = 8x P-cores, same as M1 Max? I can understand a GPU difference, but I'd think multi core Geekbench should still favor M2 Pro?
Edit: Oh.... maybe this is the 10 core version (6P+4E). Very few 12 core results on Geekbench (seems like most people didn't want that big tax bill for an upgraded M2 Pro, but the 12 core version should be over 14k.
Edit: Oh.... maybe this is the 10 core version (6P+4E). Very few 12 core results on Geekbench (seems like most people didn't want that big tax bill for an upgraded M2 Pro, but the 12 core version should be over 14k.
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Daft! But I reckon you can sell privately ( or even to someone in this thread! ) For more than apple would give you
For the M2 Pro Mac Mini, MKBHD got:
- Geekbench Single-core: 1950
- Geekbench Multi-core: 15,156
- Cinebench Multi-core: 14,796
- Metal: 51,244
- OpenCL: 43,769
- Geekbench Single-core: 1886
- Geekbench Multi-core: 11,862
- Cinebench Multi-core: 11,696
- Metal: 45,831
- OpenCL: 38,712
Is the higher end Mac Mini really that good of a deal? Equipped with 1TB SSD to get the best speed:
Mac Mini:
Mac Studio:
Perhaps for the moment, as I just specified above in a previous comment, the M2 Pro 12-core variant seems to have an edge over the M1 Max in CPU. The GPU, on the other hand, seems to be better and there are other benefits such as having the front ports with SD reader, a larger heatsink for sustained loads, and faster memory bandwidth. But the M2 Max Studio, if it can be equipped for the same price, seems like an easy pick. However, looking at their new pricing dynamic, I think we can expect some price increases to the new Mac Studio across the board unless they kill it when they release the new Mac Pro which doesn't seem like it will be that much faster since the M2 Extreme or whatever is rumored to be cancelled. This new Mac Mini with the Pro chip just might be replacing that, unfortunately! Otherwise the lineup doesn't make much sense to me.
Mac Mini:
- M2 Pro 12-core CPU 16-core GPU
- 32GB RAM
- 1TB SSD
Mac Studio:
- M1 Max 10-core CPU and 24-core GPU
- 32 GB RAM
- 1TB SSD
Perhaps for the moment, as I just specified above in a previous comment, the M2 Pro 12-core variant seems to have an edge over the M1 Max in CPU. The GPU, on the other hand, seems to be better and there are other benefits such as having the front ports with SD reader, a larger heatsink for sustained loads, and faster memory bandwidth. But the M2 Max Studio, if it can be equipped for the same price, seems like an easy pick. However, looking at their new pricing dynamic, I think we can expect some price increases to the new Mac Studio across the board unless they kill it when they release the new Mac Pro which doesn't seem like it will be that much faster since the M2 Extreme or whatever is rumored to be cancelled. This new Mac Mini with the Pro chip just might be replacing that, unfortunately! Otherwise the lineup doesn't make much sense to me.
The 12 core model is probably the best in terms of performance
M2 model is best in terms of budgeting.
M2 Pro 10 core model (if I am right) is something in between, not best for performance nor for budgeting. This time I chose M2 Air base configuration and I think it was best for budget purposes.
M2 model is best in terms of budgeting.
M2 Pro 10 core model (if I am right) is something in between, not best for performance nor for budgeting. This time I chose M2 Air base configuration and I think it was best for budget purposes.
Don't forget the Max chips also have dual encode/decode engines. For someone like me that does a lot of rendering, that gives the M1 Max the edge over the M2 Pro.
Sure makes me want to get the 1TB SSD Mac Mini M2 Pro model to get the 6,000 MB/s SSD drive read/write speeds over the 512GB Mac Mini M2 Pro model with 3,000 MB/s SSD drive read/write speeds. I think I will definitely stay away from the Mac Mini M2 (non-Pro) 256GB model due to the 1,500 MB/s SSD drive read/write limited speeds.
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I just can't understand why Apple doesn't think it's necessary to put the power button on the front of the Mac Mini. That's actually what annoys me the most about my M1 Mac Mini.
So let me get this straight. By soldering the SSD to the motherboard you not only cannot replace the drive but you also get slower speeds compared to even an external drive. Absolutely ridiculous. I should have waited for the reviews but i'm cancelling my order. The external USB4 SSD on M1 Mac mini is much faster. Maybe next time Apple.
In real word usage, how much does it really matter the speed difference of 1500 up to 6000 MB/s for SSD? I mean in how many actual real usages it makes a difference. Even for video editing of higher resolutions, 1500 is plenty of speed. So what does one have to do, to be realistically affected by the lack of 6000MB/s or even 3000MB/s speeds?
And to make it clear, I am not defending Apple or the Mini. I don't own it and don't have the money to buy any model so I am not even considering it. I am just wondering if some people are complaining just to complain.
And to make it clear, I am not defending Apple or the Mini. I don't own it and don't have the money to buy any model so I am not even considering it. I am just wondering if some people are complaining just to complain.
I’m sure that a 1500 MB/s vs. a 6000 MB/s difference is noticeable. I’m not so sure about 1500 vs. 3000.
Outside out of the slower SSD, this is an impressive machine for the price.
Definitely noticeable when your swapping for memory.
I think the M2 Pro Mac Mini is unfortunately a little overpriced when you spec it out, as you quickly get into Studio territory.
I can get a brand new M1 Max (24 core GPU) Studio with 32 GB RAM, 1TB SSD and 10Gb Ethernet for £2,099
An M2 Pro (16 core GPU) Mini with 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD and 10Gb Ethernet costs... £2,099.
As ever, I feel the base model without upgrades is where you find the best value in the range.
I can get a brand new M1 Max (24 core GPU) Studio with 32 GB RAM, 1TB SSD and 10Gb Ethernet for £2,099
An M2 Pro (16 core GPU) Mini with 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD and 10Gb Ethernet costs... £2,099.
As ever, I feel the base model without upgrades is where you find the best value in the range.