Sure, but would you want to? A great developer also gets a great salary which means if it takes longer it becomes vastly more expensive.A great dev can do great things with less.
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Hardware-Free WWDC Sets Stage for Busy Second Half of 2016
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I finally bit the bullet the last night and bought a 13" MBP that was on sale for $150 off. I'm moving and need a laptop to replace my 27" iMac, and couldn't wait any longer. Nothing like paying almost $1,400 for two year old tech when a refresh is probably a month or two away, but I'm out of options. If the new model is as whiz-bang as it really should be, I'll just eBay this one and take a bath on a couple hundred bucks. Not super thrilled with Apple or Tim Cook at the moment though.
I hope that you understood that I was joking.
Of course you're right, the fact that the current lineup ain't much newer than the Altair is upsetting.
Apple's profit numbers are fake because they find ways to milk everyone out of their money. Even with the constant milking, the numbers are still going down. Tells you how much Apple has fallen since a few years ago.
I feel your pain. I do too need to get a MBP for work in the next 2 weeks. I am looking to get a used one with Applecare to keep me going until they finally announce updates and then sell it. It's sucks they take forever to keep hardware options somewhat current with the latest tech.
I added the emphasis to the last phrase. Just that you wont miss it.
Hardware launched at WWDC
- WWDC 2004 - Cinema displays 20", 23" and 30"
- WWDC 2005 - Switch to Intel
- WWDC 2006 - Mac Pro, Xserve
- WWDC 2007 - nothing
- WWDC 2008 - iPhone 3G
- WWDC 2009 - iPhone 3G GS, Macbook Pro family
- WWDC 2010 - iPhone 4
- WWDC 2011 - nothing
- WWDC 2012 - retina Macbook Pro, updated Macbook air and Pro
- WWDC 2013 - trash can Mac Pro sneak peek, updated Macbook Air extra long battery, Airpot extreme, Time Capsule
- WWDC 2014 - 2016 nothing
I've had so many dud Dells and ATROCIOUS customer service including refusal of warranty service. I'd pay 10x Dell prices for any other machine. My Mac's monitor I'm viewing right now is a high-end 4k Dell... and has developed a glowing blob on the left side. Par for the course.
Of course, such a decision on Dell vs. Mac assumes that Windows and Mac OS are truly equally good...
WWDC this year didn't seem all that exciting without any new pro hardware.
Well Mac sales have been consistently growing over the years, so maybe that is where the action is now (especially as the rest of the PC market keeps declining and since they're not used as hooks to buy watches and phones, one must consider they are probably used by people and companies).
at least we're not waiting for some "marvelous pipeline coming next year" like we did some time ago
I think the release of the iPhone 7 this year will see the most technologically sound device we've seen from Apple in the mobile department and it will probably get overlooked by a lot of people
So what significantly smaller, capable Windows computer are you looking at that significantly outperforms a similarly-sized, current, Mac? The top-end XPS 15 certainly looks like a bargain alongside the top-end 15" rMBP but I doubt its a night-and-day improvement on either size or performance.
Nobody out there is making a quad-core, 45W 15" rMBP in a 13" dual-core 15W MBA body - which seems to be what you are asking for. If you do manage to find a thin & light quad 45W i7, it will have rubbish battery life and/or continually throttle the processor to avoid melting.
Don't fall for Intel's confusing product naming: the i7 in an ultrabook is not the same as the i7 in a 15" rMBP-style laptop.
You'll find that anything the size of a 13" rMBP or Air has the same class of Intel processor as the 13" rMBP or Air, respectively.
The rMBP processors were all updated last year: what the competitors will give you is this year's Skylake version of the same chip. That offers a small speed increase which you will barely notice and a minor battery life boost. Maybe, when Apple get around to it, that will let them put 13" rMBP specs into an Air-sized body - but then the Air is only half a pound heavier than the 13" rMBP anyway (remember, the 13" rMBP has already been slimmed down since 2012).
Yes, the dell XPS 13 and the razer blade look like attractive alternatives. They're not night and day faster or lighter, nor are they half the price.
Apple seems as a company not to care anymore about the center core business - Macs - as the center core business are now iOS devices and watches. Don't forget, the update of the iPhone, whose newest model is now -gasp - smaller! So the next update can then be - gasp again - bigger!
[doublepost=1466098516][/doublepost]You can tell if something is wrong with a tech company when you cannot find something appropriately new and forward moving in their line up 4 years after you bought their last laptop (2012 MBA)...
[doublepost=1466098516][/doublepost]You can tell if something is wrong with a tech company when you cannot find something appropriately new and forward moving in their line up 4 years after you bought their last laptop (2012 MBA)...
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Yep, the ones I remember the most was the 30" ACD announcement. That display is gorgeous and still a workhorse for me almost 13 years later. Better part is the matte screen. Apple moving away for that glare monster was a mistake. I wish they could bring it back with 5k res. That would be fantastic.
There is always a "marvelous pipeline coming" - doesn't mean anything.
IMO Apple is slowly training their customer base to accept iOS devices as the entry into their ecosystem. Moving away from the Mac Pro, and MBP, makes sense if eventually all devices Apple sells are based on ARM processors run a corresponding 'x'-OS; iOS, tvOS, MacOS.
It would very easy to begin the 'xOS' transition with the Mac Mini, then the laptops, finally all-in-ones. Then say bye bye 'Pro' hardware.
It would very easy to begin the 'xOS' transition with the Mac Mini, then the laptops, finally all-in-ones. Then say bye bye 'Pro' hardware.
Thanks for posting that video… That is the Apple I know. If any exec at Apple can sit there and say they are building the best possible Mac products, they should be fired. The whole lineup is what Steve would call junk and its being sold at uncompetitively high prices.
I also can’t believe there are people defending Apple here.
I am/was a die hard apple fan boy. I owned macs since 1984, I built my company around macs, I am responsible for thousands of apple products sold, but even I see that Tim and company are destroying the foundation of What Apple spent so many years to build.
I understand that WWDC is a developers conference but what some of you don’t get is that a lot of us have been waiting years for upgrades and are continually being told, don’t worry, it will be announced at the next keynote, oops, ok no really, the next one for sure, etc…
My company does 3d renderings so we use MacPros with as much power as we can get. Our current machines are Mid 2010 12 core MacPro’s (we paid $5000 CAN per machine). We usually upgrade our machines every 2 years but after waiting 3 years for an update, Apple presented us with the trashcan. It sure looked pretty and had full of my ass innovation but yet they removed what I needed, performance. A whole processor was removed which crippled the upgrade for anyone requiring CPU speed. Bottom line for me, it maxed out at 12 cores and thats only at top level, meaning I would have to pay $10k CAN/machine to gain a very slight improvement in rendering times. So I decided that we should at least wait for the next minor bump which I assumed would be the next year.
So here we are SIX years later and not a peep from Apple. This should have been the 3rd time we upgraded our machines yet both myself and Apple continue to wait and lose money. In the past few months, I have had a couple of our machines die on us which is becoming devastating to my company but who in their right mind would spend 10k on machines with 3 year old tech right before WWDC, so we managed to hobble along.
So now what. With Apple’s showing no interest in keeping their computers competitive and rumours that they have even less interest than that in their pro lines. How long should I be waiting. I’ve already gone through 3 more WWDC, special events, etc… I’ll tell you how many more days i’ll be waiting, 0. I’m already in the process of looking into PC’s for the first time in over 30 years.
I am really frustrated and angered by being forced to switch but I really have no alternative. My PC using competitors are beginning to surpass me in terms of rendering quality and speed with their 44core systems. So as much as I love Apple, it has become a swim or sink situation for me. I am also pretty sure once I switch over all my pro machines, the rest of my machines/tablets/phones will follow.
This is what Tim doesn’t understand. Once all the loyal evangelist people like me are gone, Apple will be just like all the other big Phone companies. Nokia, Motorola, RIM all thought they were invincible and we all know what happened to them.
Macbook Pro really doesn't need to be thinner. Stop trying to make it an air, or a tablet, it's supposed to be a powerful machine. Make it run less hot and update the internals. For the love of god.
Wow.
If I were you, I would wait until December. Past december start switching to Windows/Linux.
I'm pretty certain that we are going to get the thin Macbook keyboard if we like it or not, because it's a key ingredient in making the next MBP thinner.
AMD just released 35W Polaris 11, it'll be out soon. Intel Skylake 45W CPU's have a cTDP mode to run them with 35W. I suppose this is a way that Apple could fulfill their perverse obsession to thinness. Next Pro laptop will be thinner and still can offer same CPU and a lot more GPU power than current model.
But this is just a prediction. Unca Cook in his money bin can count that the flock will buy two year old model with full price anyway, so why invest on R&D. And what fashionable people really care if the laptop runs Haswell or Skylake processor?
Could this be the reason we have Swift in Linux? Tim's gona kick all developers to that platform...
Fashion house has no room for geeks.
(I'm not really believing in it.. just playing with the thought.)
But this is just a prediction. Unca Cook in his money bin can count that the flock will buy two year old model with full price anyway, so why invest on R&D. And what fashionable people really care if the laptop runs Haswell or Skylake processor?
Could this be the reason we have Swift in Linux? Tim's gona kick all developers to that platform...
Fashion house has no room for geeks.
(I'm not really believing in it.. just playing with the thought.)
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Something got lost in translation. It think the rMBPs are wonderful, but the 13" are not that much different from the 15", both of which are OK for travel, but there are better options now for travel.
I'm willing to sacrifice some performance for portability because I travel more and want a smaller computer. The problem is that when you go smaller in the mac, they gimp either the screen resolution or the processor. So for business travel, nearly every competitor has a better 13" or so product that hits a good sweetspot. MS Surface, Razer, Dell. Even the ACER, Samsung, LG and HP ultralights have compelling hardware. Again, its one of those things that if Apple just upgraded the display in a MBA, like what Dell. MS and Razer did in the XPS 13, Surface and Stealth, many of us wouldn't feel so tortured.