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Exactly my thoughts. I have been "fantasizing" about this since the tablet theory was announced. It will be nice to get your books for a fraction of the cost, being able to go green, being able to take notes/search for phrases and sections, and share media and notes, the list goes ON forever as the possibilities are endless. And to think E-books are only one possible part of the Slate. If it has this functionality, Apple will DEFINITELY secure a large portion of the college student market I believe.

That would be great. However, how large of a screen would suffice for all those tasks? The pages of the textbooks (at least in the sciences) are generally around 7 inches by 10 inches or larger. The screen would have to be at least 12.2 inches. That is fairly large for a tablet-like device. I've very curious as to how Apple will handle this. If the device sells for under $500 and textbooks are substantially cheaper, I'm sold. Otherwise I will pass and continue buying physical copies and using my MBP.
 
It will be nice to get your books for a fraction of the cost

Yeah, don't hold your breath on that one, I doubt they're going to pass on the printing and distribution savings to you. The price of Kindle books is still quite high considering the reduced costs, and the textbook industry has been gouging students forever.
 
This is just the beginning of cloud computing. The big boys figured out how to make money doing this. The big server farms are built or close to it to handle this. More and more fiber optic lines are being layed and the big push for the country folks to get connected is going on now. The only big question next is how much they are going to reem us for the content. I for one am impatiently waiting on apple to release there tablet before I decide who I am buying one from.
 
Yeah, don't hold your breath on that one, I doubt they're going to pass on the printing and distribution savings to you. The price of Kindle books is still quite high considering the reduced costs, and the textbook industry has been gouging students forever.

This is true and probably wont change. What will change is a student walking around campus with 10 books under their arm. Instead it will just be a 10.1" device.

That in itself is worth it. I remember having to walk around campus with 10 books. I hated it. If I could walk around with just a ******* it would make my day much better.
 
Yeah, don't hold your breath on that one, I doubt they're going to pass on the printing and distribution savings to you. The price of Kindle books is still quite high considering the reduced costs, and the textbook industry has been gouging students forever.

That's what I am hesitant about. Publishers really are not knocking down the price of eBooks as much as expected. Saving 10% or less is not attractive enough to ditch paper.
 
Click! Everything just fell into place...

The tablet is for textbooks. I've been wondering what Apple saw in this class of device, and this is the first thing I've heard that makes sense-- they're leveraging their iPod cool to get them back into the education market.
 
This is true and probably wont change. What will change is a student walking around campus with 10 books under their arm. Instead it will just be a 10.1" device.

That in itself is worth it. I remember having to walk around campus with 10 books. I hated it. If I could walk around with just a ******* it would make my day much better.

Reminds me of this from onLive - their way of getting the game industry on board.
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left hand side - the break down of normal games. Piracy, used product took a big chunk of money for retail. Returns, Distribution, COGS, Platform Royalty...

Maybe Apple offers that a nice split, and helps get the publisher gross margin higher.

Big shot in the arm to get iPhone/Tablet apps for the education area. eLearning renaissance as a side-effect?
 
My law exams were open any printed material I wanted but absolutely no access to digital material or the Internet (see Examsoft). A textbook on the tablet would be worthless for an "open book" test because there's no way for the professor to limit Internet access.
 
My law exams were open any printed material I wanted but absolutely no access to digital material or the Internet (see Examsoft). A textbook on the tablet would be worthless for an "open book" test because there's no way for the professor to limit Internet access.

Indeed. Though law schools are particularly strict about that - no cellphones, etc. I went to both law school and engineering school, and I think most engineering schools would allow it at least for some exams (unlike law school, engineers take many exams per class per semester, instead of one proctored videotaped examsofted exam for all the marble).
 
Indeed. Though law schools are particularly strict about that - no cellphones, etc. I went to both law school and engineering school, and I think most engineering schools would allow it at least for some exams (unlike law school, engineers take many exams per class per semester, instead of one proctored videotaped examsofted exam for all the marble).

Yeah - law schools are no doubt the extreme, but as soon as a student has Internet access, ie email access, ie chat access, any exam is compromised. I don't see any way that a tablet could reliably replace a textbook for an open book exam.
 
Schools

Schools are going to be a big market for this new device. Apple are already road testing iPod Touch in schools in Australia for providing study material, video, audio and ebook...
 
Yeah - law schools are no doubt the extreme, but as soon as a student has Internet access, ie email access, ie chat access, any exam is compromised. I don't see any way that a tablet could reliably replace a textbook for an open book exam.

It would only work in subject areas where the exams are mostly analytic and problem solving. That's why I think engineering classes would sometimes allow it. Law school and other areas that are largely memorization would obviously be a problem.

In general, i think etextbooks has no advantage other than less stuff to carry and a slight decrease in cost vs. a new textbook, and many problems (the exam issue, loss of the used textbook market, page numbers not matching the professor's, slow random access - no substitute for sticky notes, page tabs, etc., inability to take notes in mathematical disciplines).
 
So, will Apple approve an Amazon Kindle app on this device if they're going to be involved with e-books themselves?

They already have with iPhone. The Amazon Kindle app has been on the store forever. I think Amazon also owns Stanza too.

If this is an eBook reader, I doubt it.
 
They already have with iPhone. The Amazon Kindle app has been on the store forever. I think Amazon also owns Stanza too.

If this is an eBook reader, I doubt it.

That's the point. They let them in the store when they aren't competing. When they start selling books themselves, we'll see. Notice there's no amazon music store app...
 
If the device is priced right, and electronic textbooks are significantly cheaper than their paper counterparts

"Cheaper" didn't happen with music or video - I fear it won't happen to publications either.

imagine trying to take an open book test with an ebook that's as slow as the iPhone kindle app, for example.

An open book test when the "book" has search functionality? I would have killed for that back in the day.
 
Yeah, that's what I just asked. Let's say Apple gets 30% of each book sold through its own store - why would they let Amazon put a free app on the iPhone/iTablet where Apple gets nothing.

Because it would drive more people to buy it?

I have already bought about 10-15 Kindle books through my iPhone app. If the Apple slate didn't allow those books, I would have nearly zero interest in it. Amazon has by far the best selection, and as of now we just might know that Apple is negotiating with one publisher.

I really hope this e-book war gets settled soon. I don't want e-books to all be proprietary and tied into one or two devices. There should be some standard developed for pure reading and then different companies can make enhancements, like maybe photos, Web links, text to speech, etc. that are only available on certain devices.
 
"Cheaper" didn't happen with music or video - I fear it won't happen to publications either.



An open book test when the "book" has search functionality? I would have killed for that back in the day.

I guess I've never studied a field where that would have helped.
 
An open book test when the "book" has search functionality? I would have killed for that back in the day.

I can just imagine what a life saver that would be on an exam. So far I have had only one open book exam, but that was in during a summer semester and the professor was really out of it. Regardless, that would be a killer feature to have.
 
If anything, the effective price will go up. If things transition to e-textbooks, the "used" market goes out the window. Even if people figured out a way to transfer an ebook, since printing is no longer needed the publishers will just change the books each year, rendering the previous year "out of date" and undesirable to students.

I spent 12 years in various colleges, and the one type of book I would be very hesitant to get in electronic format is a textbook. Textbooks are used as tactile objects - note pages shoved between pages of the book, stickies, highlighters, bent corners, etc. When I was an engineering student I'd scribble equations and derivations in my books - little chance that will be easy in any ebook. It might have worked better when I was a law student, but there we relied heavily on page numbers recited by the professor.

There's alot of dreamers on macrumors. There's no way a tablet will replace textbooks but since it's an Apple device they get exited. Atleast with a textbook you can sell it when you're done with it.
 
How much are these ebooks going to cost? I've looked at some on Stanza and they're just as expensive as print editions, if not more so. I don't want to be paying the same price for a file as an actual book. Books still have some respect in my mind. A physical presence is necessary in order to complete the value equation. A free ebook with the purchase of the physical copy would be great. I'm too protective when it comes to books to let them be manipulated by proxy (Kindle/1984 reference).
 
This has nothing to do with the tablet. The iPod is not some kind of exclusive device to listen to music downloaded from iTunes, the Tablet won't some kind of exclusive device to read books sold through iTunes. If Apple does go forward with an iTunes book store, it will be available to all iTunes devices. Anything less would be downright ludicrous and hoping that this will somehow reduce the prices is also lunacy. Look at movies/music on iTunes, it's not much cheaper than DVDs and CDs.
 
Life is an "open book" exam

Indeed. Though law schools are particularly strict about that - no cellphones, etc. I went to both law school and engineering school, and I think most engineering schools would allow it at least for some exams (unlike law school, engineers take many exams per class per semester, instead of one proctored videotaped examsofted exam for all the marble).

An open book test when the "book" has search functionality? I would have killed for that back in the day.

I can just imagine what a life saver that would be on an exam. So far I have had only one open book exam, but that was in during a summer semester and the professor was really out of it. Regardless, that would be a killer feature to have.

When you have problems/questions in real life, it's "open book" - you can use any resource to find the answer to your problem.

Is it more important to memorize a small set of answers, or to know how to research the answer to unexpected questions?

In my undergraduate program, we'd usually be given 5 days to work on the exams. Much closer to "real life" than some rote memorization tests.
 
I spent 12 years in various colleges, and the one type of book I would be very hesitant to get in electronic format is a textbook. Textbooks are used as tactile objects - note pages shoved between pages of the book, stickies, highlighters, bent corners, etc.

There's no reason these types of notations can't be replicated electronically - with all the additional benefits digital data provides.

When you have problems/questions in real life, it's "open book" - you can use any resource to find the answer to your problem.

Is it more important to memorize a small set of answers, or to know how to research the answer to unexpected questions?

In my undergraduate program, we'd usually be given 5 days to work on the exams. Much closer to "real life" than some rote memorization tests.

Unfortunately the foundation of our antiquated educational system is rote memorization. :(

There's alot of dreamers on macrumors. There's no way a tablet will replace textbooks but since it's an Apple device they get exited.

Yeah, and there's no way an automobile will replace a horse. :rolleyes:

It's obvious why some people run technology companies and others just provide anonymous commentary on Web forums. Vision (the former). And lack thereof (the latter).

Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
 
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