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That's fine. It's my opinion.
It's ironic that we worship these writers as if the greats didn't exist.

I think the 'greats' are extremely overrated and essentially meaningless.

What makes most of the greats great? They happened to be born a hundred years before any of us? Does that somehow make their work worth something? At least half of what I have read from what would be considered 'great authors' is too complex, wordy, poorly written or just plain bad to have any real meaning.

I personally love everything I have read by Charles Dickens. He is considered one of the greatest writers of the english language. Do I like him for his reputation as a master? No, I like him because his writing is amazing.

Too many of the authors in lists of "greats" wrote really uninteresting crap. Really. I have read 7 shakespeare plays, written about them, compared them to other things, watched enactments of them...my conclusion? Shakespeare is absolute tripe. Wretched. I have no possible understanding of where people come off truly believing that Shakespeare is the world's 'greatest' writer of the English language. Fine, he gave birth to modern theatre, and is deserving of an enormous amount of praise and historical credit for the achievement, however actually comparing him to modern authors and giving his works a modern context is pointless.

Compared to other writers, throughout history, Shakespeare's characters are blandly formulaic, and the plots are a waste of paper, simple entertainment for crowds from 400 years ago. Honestly. People lost in a world of ******** academia might somehow value Shakespeare's work as something to be applied to people, events, emotions and works of literature today...what compels them I'm not sure.

A majority of (even well above average) people would say that the historical literature they have been forced to read in high school was hard to read or understand, but that it's great literature even if they didn't understand it. How, I ask, is something 'great literature' if it has no meaning to anyone other than the most academic of academics, lost in their own world of the written word? Who decided for the people of the western world what 'great literature' is?

A good novel, as far as I'm concerned, is any one that builds a world so elegantly put together than you wish there was more to read when you finish it. A great novel will create a world of words so deep and fluid you feel as if you're part of it, experiencing every last element alongside the characters, not letting you put the book down until it's finished. A great author is someone whose pen creates these worlds, dead or alive, deemed worthy by the academia-police or not.

It's not that I don't have an appreciation for the importance, power and quality of some historical literature, it's that much of what is labeled 'great' is rarely given a second thought.

Sorry for the rant. :eek:


As for Harry Potter, the new name is a little bland...though not terribly bad. The Half Blood Prince name was pretty bad until you read the book and understood where it came from, which was interesting. I'm sure the "Deathly Hallows" will wind up having a lot of meaning in the story and therefore making the name more worthwhile.

Harry Potter also holds a special place for me, because as each of the books have come out, I have been roughly the same age as Harry. I was 10 when the first book came out in the U.S, 11 when I first read it, and now as the 7th book is coming out, Harry and I will both be 18 (I might be 19 by then but close enough).

As for J.K. Rowling's skill at portraying the characters at each changing age, it's perfect. The subtle elements of each character's personality is incredible.
 
I think the 'greats' are extremely overrated and essentially meaningless.


While I agree with you that a lot of 'great' literature is wordy, worthy art-w@nk, I must disagree with about Shakespeare. Timeless stories that are just as relevant today as they were one hundred years ago, and as they were one hundred years before that, and so on...
 
I think the 'greats' are extremely overrated and essentially meaningless.

What makes most of the greats great? They happened to be born a hundred years before any of us? Does that somehow make their work worth something? At least half of what I have read from what would be considered 'great authors' is too complex, wordy, poorly written or just plain bad to have any real meaning.

I personally love everything I have read by Charles Dickens. He is considered one of the greatest writers of the english language. Do I like him for his reputation as a master? No, I like him because his writing is amazing.

Too many of the authors in lists of "greats" wrote really uninteresting crap. Really. I have read 7 shakespeare plays, written about them, compared them to other things, watched enactments of them...my conclusion? Shakespeare is absolute tripe. Wretched. I have no possible understanding of where people come off truly believing that Shakespeare is the world's 'greatest' writer of the English language. Fine, he gave birth to modern theatre, and is deserving of an enormous amount of praise and historical credit for the achievement, however actually comparing him to modern authors and giving his works a modern context is pointless.

Compared to other writers, throughout history, Shakespeare's characters are blandly formulaic, and the plots are a waste of paper, simple entertainment for crowds from 400 years ago. Honestly. People lost in a world of ******** academia might somehow value Shakespeare's work as something to be applied to people, events, emotions and works of literature today...what compels them I'm not sure.

A majority of (even well above average) people would say that the historical literature they have been forced to read in high school was hard to read or understand, but that it's great literature even if they didn't understand it. How, I ask, is something 'great literature' if it has no meaning to anyone other than the most academic of academics, lost in their own world of the written word? Who decided for the people of the western world what 'great literature' is?

A good novel, as far as I'm concerned, is any one that builds a world so elegantly put together than you wish there was more to read when you finish it. A great novel will create a world of words so deep and fluid you feel as if you're part of it, experiencing every last element alongside the characters, not letting you put the book down until it's finished. A great author is someone whose pen creates these worlds, dead or alive, deemed worthy by the academia-police or not.

It's not that I don't have an appreciation for the importance, power and quality of some historical literature, it's that much of what is labeled 'great' is rarely given a second thought.

Sorry for the rant. :eek:


As for Harry Potter, the new name is a little bland...though not terribly bad. The Half Blood Prince name was pretty bad until you read the book and understood where it came from, which was interesting. I'm sure the "Deathly Hallows" will wind up having a lot of meaning in the story and therefore making the name more worthwhile.

Harry Potter also holds a special place for me, because as each of the books have come out, I have been roughly the same age as Harry. I was 10 when the first book came out in the U.S, 11 when I first read it, and now as the 7th book is coming out, Harry and I will both be 18 (I might be 19 by then but close enough).

As for J.K. Rowling's skill at portraying the characters at each changing age, it's perfect. The subtle elements of each character's personality is incredible.

I laughed out of my seat when I saw this. Man, Thomas Pynchon must find this absolutely hilarious but no one know what he looks like.

A screaming across the sky...
 
I think Les Mis is dry garbage...

That might just be the English translation. I've read this book in the original French (actually three books together make up the whole story) and I have to say it was one of the best pieces of literature I have ever read. Victor Hugo uses such colorful language and plays on words that would not translate into another language very easily.
I have to agree with OutThere as to the definition of great literature. I've read quite a few of the classics, in most cases preferring them to more modern writings. Some are truly great and others only still exist, in my opinion, because they have been passed from English professor to English professor as "must reads." In the end, though, a great novel is one that envelops you in the story and won't let you put it down, whether it be Hugo, or Tolstoy, or yes, even J.K. Rowling. The snobby academics may turn their nose up at the Harry Potter books, but these stories will be remembered throughout history and the critics won't be.
 
There are times I'm hungry for steak, other times a bowl of soup will do.

In reading, sometimes I enjoy reading the classics (including the real classics like Homer) and sometimes I want light relief and read Harry. Both have their place on my bookshelf.

As for the title... hmmm, not entirely convinced but I'll be buying it (and avoiding spoilers) to find out the end of the story.
 
I laughed out of my seat when I saw this. Man, Thomas Pynchon must find this absolutely hilarious but no one know what he looks like.

A screaming across the sky...

Well it's good to know that the world of literary academics still mocks people who don't share an appreciation for what they consider to be 'great' literature.

I haven't read any Thomas Pynchon novels, though I know he is considered one of the best contemporary authors. Maybe he would laugh reading my post, but what does that really matter? He'll be considered a 'great' along with all of the others, whether or not he deserves it. I'm not entirely why it's important, either, that "no one know what he looks like."

I have not, but will read Pynchon when I have the time...even if 800 pages and 400 characters sounds wholly overdone, though I won't judge until I have read it.
 
it's ironic that you don't seem to know the meaning of the word irony in your complaint about literary quality

And unfortunately there's no irony in your statement.

The point is, I could care less about Harry Potter in 10 years. It will have a shorter lifespan than my Pismo or tangy iBook ever will.

There's more provocation in a good book by Anais Nin or Henry Miller or even the great Marquis than watching the blizzardy Harry Potter and his antics honestly. People will make it more profound than what it can dream of.

Honestly, whenever I see a book making the splash in the headlines, then I cringe. Look at what happened to Frey's poor and lousy bestseller.
 
What wrong with that? All of those writers are infinitely more interesting than the tales of a boy wizard... :rolleyes:

Although more people have read about the boy wizard around the world and it is encouraging children to enjoy books which might lead to them reading more in future.

Aside from that, if we want to discuss the merits of literature, let's do it in a new thread. This thread, whether you like it or not, is about Harry Potter so if you're not interested, butt out.;)
 
Although more people have read about the boy wizard around the world and it is encouraging children to enjoy books which might lead to them reading more in future.

Absolute truth.

Harry Potter has proven itself as a series of books that enormous masses of kids enjoy...even obsess over picking up and reading on their own, solely out of interest for the book. This interest in reading is worthy of some sort of greatness, no matter what people think of the level of the writing.


As far as the next Harry Potter goes...I have some pretty strong theories about what happened between Dumbledore and Snape. I'm not entirely sure what Dumbledore's fate was, however I do believe that he was entirely prepared for Snape's entrance, and that the circumstances surrounding Dumbeldore's execution were planned between the two. Dumbledore may or may not be out of the picture...I think his portrait in the headmaster's office will be very influential in the upcoming book, if Dumbledore doesn't reappear in some other way.
 
As far as the next Harry Potter goes...I have some pretty strong theories about what happened between Dumbledore and Snape. I'm not entirely sure what Dumbledore's fate was, however I do believe that he was entirely prepared for Snape's entrance, and that the circumstances surrounding Dumbeldore's execution were planned between the two. Dumbledore may or may not be out of the picture...I think his portrait in the headmaster's office will be very influential in the upcoming book, if Dumbledore doesn't reappear in some other way.

Ah, a like-minded soul!

Dumbledore is dead. Fully dead. It's bad form to bring back a dead person to life in a children's book. Particularly seeing as Rowling was so clear with Sirius Black's death: there may be an afterlife, and Harry may see him again, but not in this world.

The headmaster's portrait may play a role. Good call. And I certainly think quite a lot will be divulged in the pensieve. I'm sure Dumbledore left a little bottle of silvery memories explaining things to Harry.

And Fawkes is going to come back and kick some ass at just the right moment. Garaun-*****-teed.
 
The title reminds me alot of the anime Bleach and its Hallows. ;)
Ripoff!

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Like I care about Harry Potter to begin with :mad:

Geez. I really don't understand why you keep posting in a Harry Potter thread, when the topic clearly angers you.

Anyway...

I for one, am really looking forward to the final instalment. I'm in the "Snape is actually good" camp as well, but I've been thinking recently that may be a little to obvious. I'm sure JK will twist it all up for us. :D

The title does sound a little bleak, but as all the other titles, will have significant relevance to the plot.

What to people think about Harry or another character dying?
 
JK Rowling has announced that the next Harry Potter book will be released on the 21st July.

- BBC Link
Excellent, although I was hoping for the 7th of the 7th, 07 because of the whole "seventh son of a seventh son" thing about magical powers, especially with it being the 7th book too.

I'm not obsessed enough to be queuing up outside the store at midnight, but I'll probably go in the following day to get my copy :)
 
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