Harry the Nazi

[Blue Velvet]

I don't think it's fair to bar him from entering the academy because of a childish blunder... A lot of 20-year-old princes have done a lot worse...

I've never argued for that. I'm just trying to attempt an explanation as to why so many people have become upset...

These symbols have a power, a potency that touches people deeply. Someone in that position (and more importantly, his advisers) should have made him aware of this.

To me, it demonstrates an insensitivity and a crass ignorance that is reprehensible in someone who has had access to the best education & upbringing that money & privilege could buy...

I can just imagine the delight on the face of BNP members when they saw that photo -- I mean it hardly counts as a condemnation, does it?

 

[takao]

And I'm deeply troubled by the calls for a ban on nazi symbols in Europe. How much artwork will be rendered illegal because of a kneejerk reaction? Surely there are bigger anti-sematic issues to be dealt with than mere symbolism...

hm the banning laws which are in place here and in germany are not that easy like "every use of the swastika is forbidden"

while walking through the streets waving a NS-flag is asking for trouble... using it in historical sense like theather acts concering with that time is allowed ... same with other forms of art

it is more a law against glorification of "the third reich"

the NSADP, all it's suborganization etc. are forbidden since when ? 1945-46 ? not only those groups alone but also any organizations which sympatisize with their ideals goals et. are forbidden as well etc.

the bureau responisble for police etc. has an online form to inform them about propaganda websites etc. just like they have a form about child-pornography

(and as far as i know US host providers are still making problems with taking down homepages made illegally made by austrians)

 

[Peterkro]

Diana - a commoner? Errrm - no.

She was also a toff - Lady Diana Spencer - before she married Charles. If anything, her family is more establishment than the Windsors. She was also a cynical publicity hound.


Nobody seems to have mentioned that the party was themed on "Colonials and Natives" which begs two questions:
1. Isn't this worse (a bit like a "Masters and Slaves" pary in America)?
2. What in god's name was Harry doing dressing as a German soldier?

This is a bit of a tricky one.Diana was a commoner although also a aristorcrat.The history of Europe is such that the monarchy usually only married other members(hence the interbreeding).Although she was a member of a old family she is still a commoner(a fact as I said the royal family harked on about Ad Nausuem).Only titled royalty are noncommoners.(sorry if this is obscure, but it is nevertheless true). .For instance, Lady Diana Spencer was a commoner of noble birth. Her father was the Viscount Althorp and 8th Earl of Spencer.

 

[clayj]

I'm not only disturbed by Prince Harry's moronic action (and that's what it was, moronic), but also by the kneejerk reaction that the EU is proposing with respect to a total ban on all Nazi periphernalia.

Don't get me wrong... I think the Nazis were by far the worst people (or almost so) ever to walk the face of the Earth. But since none of the nations in the EU have an equivalent to the US' First Amendment (as far as I know), it seems like the PC (politically correct) Thought Police are about to gain some traction over in Europe.

Makes me glad to be an American and live in the United States, where I have the right to make as big an ass of myself as I want and I only have to put up with the ridicule I create for myself.

 

[3Memos]

Has anyone seen the skit on SNL? They had a home movie of Harry making out with a Nazi dominatrix sporting a Hitler-style moustache. Then we see Harry socializing with his brother, who was wearing a KKK headdress. I'll leave it to you if you found it funny.

 

[takao]

I'm not only disturbed by Prince Harry's moronic action (and that's what it was, moronic), but also by the kneejerk reaction that the EU is proposing with respect to a total ban on all Nazi periphernalia.

Don't get me wrong... I think the Nazis were by far the worst people (or almost so) ever to walk the face of the Earth. But since none of the nations in the EU have an equivalent to the US' First Amendment (as far as I know), it seems like the PC (politically correct) Thought Police are about to gain some traction over in Europe.

Makes me glad to be an American and live in the United States, where I have the right to make as big an ass of myself as I want and I only have to put up with the ridicule I create for myself.

hm such laws are in place the only difference (for free speech) is that if your accountable if your "speech" is breaking laws like the law against "Volksverhetzung" (aka. "systematic hate speech" against minorites etc.) for example... such laws were made because of the lessons learned from history (and mostly during times were the _occupiers_ decided over the laws anyways )

 

[virividox]

Has anyone seen the skit on SNL? They had a home movie of Harry making out with a Nazi dominatrix sporting a Hitler-style moustache. Then we see Harry socializing with his brother, who was wearing a KKK headdress. I'll leave it to you if you found it funny.

i guess il dl it now that u mentioned.

 

[Counterfit]

This is a bit of a tricky one.Diana was a commoner although also a aristorcrat.The history of Europe is such that the monarchy usually only married other members(hence the interbreeding).Although she was a member of a old family she is still a commoner(a fact as I said the royal family harked on about Ad Nausuem).Only titled royalty are noncommoners.(sorry if this is obscure, but it is nevertheless true). .For instance, Lady Diana Spencer was a commoner of noble birth. Her father was the Viscount Althorp and 8th Earl of Spencer.

We have it much simpler over here. This is what you need to know about that major players in American politics that are/were related: John Adams was John Quincy Adams' father. Theodore (Teddy) Roosevelt and Franklin Delano Roosevelt: cousins. John F Kennedy (president), Robert F Kennedy (Attorney General, senator, presidential candidate) and Edward (Ted) Kennedy (senator) were brothers (Ted's still alive though ). Also, Patrick Kennedy is a Representative from Rhode Island (my district even), and is Ted's son. There are plenty more of them though . Then there's George Herbert Walker Bush, and his sons Jeb (Governor of Florida) and George W (some guy.... ). That's pretty much it here. Er, anything I missed?

 

[whooleytoo]

At least in the US, the current situation aside, we know that in order to maintain a free society, symbols (and moreso the ideas that they represent) shouldn't be punishable... actions should. Why not spend this energy combatting the anti-sematism that's so widely reported in France, rather than squabbling about a private party that shouldn't have even been public.

Agree wholeheartedly, all sense of perspective seems to have been lost in this issue. I found the 'hope Harry dies' messages particularly interesting. It means nothing what he wore at a fancy dress party (now, there's a clue), unless anyone has evidence of anti-semitism or other racism on his part, this would seem like a knee-jerk reaction to me.

 

[MongoTheGeek]

We have it much simpler over here. This is what you need to know about that major players in American politics that are/were related: John Adams was John Quincy Adams' father. Theodore (Teddy) Roosevelt and Franklin Delano Roosevelt: cousins. John F Kennedy (president), Robert F Kennedy (Attorney General, senator, presidential candidate) and Edward (Ted) Kennedy (senator) were brothers (Ted's still alive though ). Also, Patrick Kennedy is a Representative from Rhode Island (my district even), and is Ted's son. There are plenty more of them though . Then there's George Herbert Walker Bush, and his sons Jeb (Governor of Florida) and George W (some guy.... ). That's pretty much it here. Er, anything I missed?

Yeah. A few. Kennedy's niece is married to the governor of cali-forn-ya. . His father was a kingmaker back in the 30s. Brother-in-law ran for Veep in '72.

 

[TimDaddy]

I can't say much about that. My white wife and her black friend, Shaneen, seriously considered going out as master and slave last year. After reminding my wife that she is carrying my child and has no right to get her killed, she decided to wait until a time when she is no longer with child. Whew! I think if they are going to do it, though, they should reverse it and let my wife be the white slave.

Actually, Harry is an idiot. I mean, my wife isn't a prince or famous or anything. So, Harry is far more demented than my wife.

 

[Peterkro]

Death Camps

Heres a link to an article that came out around 3rd of december which astounds me 45% of brits(adult) haven't heard about death camps.

http://globalfire.tv/nj/04en/history/auschwitz.htm

this is abetter link to the Telegraph story
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...sch03.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/12/03/ixhome.html

 

[kdawg]

GET OVER IT!

It was a Freaking costume for a PARTY!!! So he went as an image that had tried to destroy an entire race and take over the world... sounds rather roman in a way.... Would you rather that we burry any trace of this image so that it is forgotton!?!?! The dude should be able to dress as the pope for all I care.... Remember it's a COSTUME PARTY... Good on him for making a statement... At least he got a reaction.

 

[Mechcozmo]

It was a Freaking costume for a PARTY!!! So he went as an image that had tried to destroy an entire race and take over the world... sounds rather roman in a way....

Yeah, he wore an image that tried to destroy my religion (not race, there is a distinction between the two). I don't exactly look kindly on people that massacre others, especially kin. And not to mention the 5 million additional people that were murdered. 6 million Jews (1 million children) + 5 million Gay/Lesbian/Gypsies/Political Enemies/Unwanted = 11 million. Not good.

Would you rather that we burry any trace of this image so that it is forgotton!?!?!

History repeats itself unless we learn from it. If we forget it, then we repeat it. Thus, we should always remember what happened during the Holocaust so that we don't repeat it.

 

[Peterkro]

Mechcozmo,I fully agree with your post.One interesting fact is that nobody knows how many Gypsies died.I've seen academics put the total as high as 5 million.Because of their lifestyle nobody even knows how many there were.Nice distinction between religon and race by the way.