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iPhone XS Has anybody noticed how many people don't upgrade nowadays?

1rottenapple said:
Is there anyone clambering for a folding phone?

People want better camera and battery life. I have never read an article when someone said Jeeeez I want to fold my phone in half.

I mean it’s great tech I just don’t see it as a huge deal
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People who want 8 inch screens in a 4 inch form factor? When perfected, I think this could be huge. I'd love to have a pocketable device that opens into a much bigger one--like the size and shape of a good sized wallet. Functionality could exist while it's in a folded state for calls, notifications, etc. and can be opened up for full screen experience. I think it will be a while before it catches on and the cost would be off putting to some. I heard Samsung's will be in the $2k range when (if) it's released. (I also read they can't decide if it should fold vertically or horizontally.:))
 
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Didn't upgrade and it didn't have anything to do with price.

I didn't upgrade because I'm 100% happy with my 8 Plus. The hardware is still fast. I don't care about minimal upgrades. The same can be said about camera upgrades. I have a dedicated camera and lenses for that... my phone camera is strictly for quick uploads to FB.

Touch ID works just fine. 8 Plus screen size is plenty good. OLED is amazing in my home theater... but I don't really care about it on my phone. The biggest reason being OLED is best viewed in a dark environment which is usually the exact opposite of how I use my phone.

No voices telling me I need to upgrade. As others have said we aren't in 2010 anymore. The hardware is so good nowadays that phones can easily last quite a few years and still perform well. The same can be said for PC hardware. It used to be your PC was outdated within a year. Now the PC I built 20 months ago is still benchmarking in the top 3-4%.

I'll take a look at the 2019 iPhones and will consider an upgrade but I have no doubts my 8 Plus will still be a solid device.
 
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linkgx1 said:
Honestly if my 6 Plus had not had bad OS slowdown I’d still be on it. Tbh the OS is pretty much the same on the iPhone SE as it is on the XS. Don’t know why people act like their is a world of difference between phones.

A lot of over zealous fans essentially buy what Apple tells them to buy. Apple says OLEDs are bad and fanboys say the same until the X comes out. Suddenly the LCD screens are Terrible.

But really there’s not any real world difference between the phones. I mean I can post on Facebook regardless of the device.
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When no one is buying it, price is bound to go down.
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But people are buying. At least they bought the X last year. We don’t know how the Xs sales are going yet.

The OS is the same across all iPhones but the hardware is different on the SE and the Xs.
 
I mean why upgrade if you just go back to using the phone the exact same way with the exact same Apps anyway unless the phone has become a really really laggy mess or you want a different screen size
 
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There is a single reason for the upgrade cycles getting longer for consumers.

The smartphone as a product category has matured.

Much like the PC as a product category has matured.

The products in this category are so good that they fill the needs of consumers for longer and longer periods of time. There are less breakthroughs year over year that compel most people to upgrade.

All technology is like this. Early on there is rapid progress and upgrading year over year makes sense. But progress doesn't happen at that pace forever. Just google the "S curve" in innovation and you'll visualize exactly what I'm talking about.

The next thing that could cause a need for extremely powerful hardware is AR. We're not there yet, but if we get there, then AR will compel a lot of people to upgrade at a faster rate. Right now AR is still in the exploratory and infrastructure building phase. Apple shows off demos every WWDC but it'll likely be a year or two before mass consumer use cases start to pop up.
 
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JBGoode said:
People who want 8 inch screens in a 4 inch form factor? When perfected, I think this could be huge. I'd love to have a pocketable device that opens into a much bigger one--like the size and shape of a good sized wallet. Functionality could exist while it's in a folded state for calls, notifications, etc. and can be opened up for full screen experience. I think it will be a while before it catches on and the cost would be off putting to some. I heard Samsung's will be in the $2k range when (if) it's released. (I also read they can't decide if it should fold vertically or horizontally.:))
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Its an interesting problem to solve that's for sure. If its a folding screen that cost 2k, then what kind of case will it have (it has to have a case for something so portable and expensive). Will the screen be in the front and back when you fold it. Will there be an inner screen and an outer screen. I think the tech is at least 10 years away to make it mass market appeal, but ten years isn't that long really.
 
bigpoppamac31 said:
I have a 6S right now and due to the high costs I may not even upgrade to a new phone. Just too expensive.
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Same.

As with what some posters mentioned in this thread (who even stayed on iOS 9 for maximum performance), the 6S is still a very fast phone in 2018. Not to mention the 6S literally does everything the XS does at a few milliseconds faster... do not see much incentive to upgrade.

I'm intending to keep it on iOS 12.x in order to preserve the speed in the coming years until it dies. Replaced the battery recently with Apple's programme and it easily lasts me 2 days now.

My next phone might just be the 8 Plus (Product) Red, as I watch a lot of YouTube on my phone and would prefer a 16:9 screen without that notch. Or if Apple releases a notchless phone in the future.
 
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Beeplance said:
Same.

As with what some posters mentioned in this thread (who even stayed on iOS 9 for maximum performance), the 6S is still a very fast phone in 2018. Not to mention the 6S literally does everything the XS does at a few milliseconds faster... do not see much incentive to upgrade.

I'm intending to keep it on iOS 12.x in order to preserve the speed in the coming years until it dies. Replaced the battery recently with Apple's programme and it easily lasts me 2 days now.

My next phone might just be the 8 Plus (Product) Red, as I watch a lot of YouTube on my phone and would prefer a 16:9 screen without that notch. Or if Apple releases a notchless phone in the future.
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I may search for an iPhone 7 or 8 just to get a higher capacity. I’m not yet on iOS 12 either.
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razmonster said:
Animoji is worth it
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Animoji is a pointless gimmick which should not be considered a selling point.
 
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Zagor13 said:
animoji is garbage worthless crap same as 3d crap..apple doesnt innovate anymore thats why they copy samsung and give us brick size phones as they have no idea how to innovate great ideas in small package; last greta phone by Apple = SE
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The market doesn’t want small phones...
 
razmonster said:
Animoji is worth it
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It’s kind of completely pointless though as Animoji only works on Apple’s native text message app, which only your mum and your gran use

Animoji can’t be used on Facebook messenger, Snapchat or WhatsApp, which is what most people use to message pretty much everyone else, so it’s basically a white elephant
 
Shanghaichica said:
The market doesn’t want small phones...
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Yes they do. There are just more than want bricks. Seen the new Palm phone? It's a new small phone for when you don't want to carry your large Android phone.

Oh and the Pixel 3 is 5.5". Which iPhone model offers a 5.5" screen? None, that's how many.
 
cornerexit said:
Yes they do. There are just more than want bricks. Seen the new Palm phone? It's a new small phone for when you don't want to carry your large Android phone.

Oh and the Pixel 3 is 5.5". Which iPhone model offers a 5.5" screen? None, that's how many.
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Ok maybe the phone manufacturers should stop making large phones because nobody wants them and just make small phones. That’s why sales are stagnating because people want small phones. We’d see a boom one sales again if they stopped making big phones and made smaller phones.

The 7 and 8 plus are 5.5 inches.
 
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Shanghaichica said:
Ok maybe the phone manufacturers should stop making large phones because nobody wants them and just make small phones. That’s why sales are stagnating because people want small phones. We’d see a boom one sales again if they stopped making big phones and made smaller phones.

The 7 and 8 plus are 5.5 inches.
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Neither are 2018 phones, they are legacy. Apple offers nothing new or nothing with Face ID and edge to edge smaller than 5.8".
 
For me, each generation before X offered me a tangible benefit that made me jump.

Original -> it’s an iPhone!
3G -> it’s in the name
3GS -> faster speeds, less safari crashing, video camera, auto focus still camera, 32GB
4 -> Retina display, FaceTime, decent camera
4S -> 64GB, better 8MP camera, 1080p, 4G HSPA+
5 -> LTE!!! And a taller screen
5S -> funner camera, Touch ID, 64 bit
6 -> bigger screens, much bigger screens! 128GB
6S -> enough ram to actually run a big screen phone, 12MP camera, 4K, Live Photo
7 -> dual cameras, 256GB

Now, I’m still using my 7 Plus and for the first time ever, I will upgrade to a previous generation phone, 8 Plus as it will give me wireless charging that I want, 4K 60fps, True Tone display, and most importantly, Touch ID.

I don’t really see much incentive to leap for the XS and definitely not worth spending any money on XR. I figure my new 8 Plus will last me 2-3 years and at that point, I will reluctantly accept Face ID, but until I have to, I’m fine with just Touch ID.
 
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bigpoppamac31 said:
Animoji is a pointless gimmick which should not be considered a selling point.
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You have to look past what Apple is trying to show you, it’s the ability of the TrueDepth Camera and where this is ultimately leading for the future. It might not be for those who don’t appreciate the Animoji, however, Apple is trying to show its potential through various features.
 
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I have an iPhone 6, an iPad Air 2 and the original iPad Pro. They all work fine, really good with IOS 12 actually, and I have no intention of upgrading until they stop working on their own accord. Personally I think its a mugs game upgrading these things every year but its your money and you can do what you like with it.
 
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Relentless Power said:
You have to look past what Apple is trying to show you, it’s the ability of the TrueDepth Camera and where this is ultimately leading for the future. It might not be for those who don’t appreciate the Animoji, however, Apple is trying to show its potential through various features.
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[doublepost=1540895218][/doublepost]i was actually half joking about Animoji but some of you are real passionate i see lol

i think for me the time to upgrade is when there is something significant being added that I would want to use.

Face ID is cool....but the real treat is how much faster you can move between apps without having to put your finger on sensor which I think makes Face ID better than Touch ID. Was there a significant upgrade from my X to my Max other than size? no. would I have upgraded from X to Xs? definitely not.
 
Mr Kram said:
If you talking about pricing, you should only consider the cost of ownership. If you paid $1000 for a phone and the upgraded and sold tour old phone for $750, then your cost of ownership is “only” $250. I’d bet that if you bought a new phone and held it for 3 years, your cost of ownership would only be marginally less. To me it makes sense and it’s worth it to upgrade annually.
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Where is everyone getting these prices from? On eBay unlocked 256 gb iPhone X are going for $700-750. After eBay fees you’re left with $650. Maybe Craigslist is a little bit better but I doubt it because buyers could just purchase from eBay instead.

A new 256 gb xs costs $1,149 plus tax plus upgrade fee.

According to my quick math, an upgrade costs at least $600.

Phone pricing is like cars. You take a big depreciation hit in the first year or two. After that the price stabilizes a little more.

It’s nearly always cheaper to hold on to your phone as long as possible in this age of full pricing/carrier financing.
 
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