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gerald.d

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So last weekend I was 99.9% certain that I would be pre-ordering the AVP in a little over 2 hours from now. For me, it would have been extremely expensive since I would not only have to pay for the thing, plus whatever state sales tax would be applied, but also shipping from the US to Thailand, and then an additional 27% on top of that total for local sales tax and import duty. But I'm fortunate to be able to splash the cash, and put the funds in place, jumping through all sorts of hoops to hopefully ensure that I would be able to purchase the thing when the time came.

Personally I never envisaged the AVP as a productivity tool (although it would be possibly be of benefit for the videos I edit in Davinci Resolve) - for me the main use case would have been consuming content (both existing, and what I consider to be "next generation"). Those 4K per eye screens were the primary motivating factor over all other options out there right now. I don't think people really appreciate just how big a difference 4K per eye is going to make over all other headsets on the market right now - expect to read a lot about this in the coming weeks.

But with the news that there will be no YouTube (yeah right - you really think the YouTube VR experience is going to be optimal in Safari?), and that Netflix can't be bothered to build an app for it, I'm now only about 10% certain that I will go through with the purchase.

Who knows. Maybe in a couple of hours and after a few more beers I will just go "ahhh f#ck it" and try to buy one.

At the end of the day, none of the write-ups from those who have tried the thing have really made much difference, and certainly none of the discussion on forums has impacted my decision.

But if some of the biggest content libraries in the world (and by far, the biggest 3D/180VR/360VR content library on the planet) are not interested in supporting this device, I question why I should.

I'm probably going to end up buying the Quest 3 and the Viture glasses (I have use cases for both), with the view that they will just be temporary stop-gaps until other options with 4K per eye become available.

Best of luck to everyone with their pre-orders, but if you've changed your mind, I'd be fascinated to hear why.
 

T'hain Esh Kelch

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No YouTube or Netflix? Can you elaborate on that? Even if they don’t make native VisionOS apps, wouldn’t we still be able to watch via a web browser?
Likely yes, but it could be that the controls are awful. I can't imagine having fun with YouTube video overlays with my fat fingers in a spatial environment.

Of course, if the Vision ends up being a bang hit with tens of millions sold, they will likely make an app.
 

laptech

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I was under the impression that Apple is only going to ship the VP to it's stores in the US for local pickup. If that is the case, how are you going to get one shipped to your country? Is someone going to buy it for you and ship it to you?. If the VP is only being sold in the US at the present), will it work in your country?
 

josselinco

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YouTube will release it in the year, I'm pretty convinced of that. There are a lot of 360 videos there, but the video quality will probably feel horrible compared to Apple content made for AVP.

Netflix will take its time to release an app, but at least by the end of 2025 there will be one (it's my guess, not an inside information). But are they even making immersive content ? I haven't seen anything like that from them. We'll have to see how 2D content from the browser plays out (will it have shiny effects like in AVP marketing material ? Or is it dedicated to native apps?)
 

gerald.d

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I was under the impression that Apple is only going to ship the VP to it's stores in the US for local pickup. If that is the case, how are you going to get one shipped to your country? Is someone going to buy it for you and ship it to you?. If the VP is only being sold in the US at the present), will it work in your country?
Purchase from the Apple Store on Apple Pay, and ship to a US forwarding company.

I don't believe that they will insist on store pickup. If they do, I have a friend who can pick it up.
 
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4sallypat

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I was under the impression that Apple is only going to ship the VP to it's stores in the US for local pickup. If that is the case, how are you going to get one shipped to your country? Is someone going to buy it for you and ship it to you?. If the VP is only being sold in the US at the present), will it work in your country?
If you read the pre-order window, you will see that the ordering involves having to scan your face with an iPhone or iPad for the correct inserts.

Apple will ship to a US address or you can opt for Apple store pickup.

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4sallypat

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Purchase from the Apple Store on Apple Pay, and ship to a US forwarding company.

I don't believe that they will insist on store pickup. If they do, I have a friend who can pick it up.
Wow, that's a hefty cost to have it re-shipped from US to Thailand plus the customs/duties.

Do you know if the AVP will work outside the US or will you have to wait until Apple releases it internationally ??

Do you have a VPN in the event it does not work in Thailand ?

Would be super expensive to have to ship it back....
 
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MayaUser

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More than 20 million Oculus/Meta Quests were sold prior to the release of the Quest 3...

(The original Oculus Quest was launched in May 2019, so it's not even been half a decade.)
again...those are oculus/meta quests combined over multiple years, with different price points..jesus
Read my post again, only iphone can sell tenth of millions per year with ipads and macs behind
So no, no tenths of millions of vision pro per year, not at this price level
 

gerald.d

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The other thing that I forgot to mention in my original post is that a week ago I honestly believed that - given the publicised production constraints on the displays - this thing would sell out the entire year's production in hours.

But then came the rumour that the AVP distribution would be widened to additional countries prior to WWDC.

Which means, I can wait. The FOMO is significantly reduced.
 

gerald.d

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Wow, that's a hefty cost to have it re-shipped from US to Thailand plus the customs/duties.

Do you know if the AVP will work outside the US or will you have to wait until Apple releases it internationally ??

Do you have a VPN in the event it does not work in Thailand ?

Would be super expensive to have to ship it back....

So my base logic is this.

Apple will not restrict the functionality of the AVP based on geolocation. You really think that they will say "oh sorry, you're flying to Asia? Your AVP won't work there, so don't bother taking it with you."
 

laptech

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If you read the pre-order window, you will see that the ordering involves having to scan your face with an iPhone or iPad for the correct inserts.

Apple will ship to a US address or you can opt for Apple store pickup.

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This is where I think it is going to fail for those who will try order one and get it shipped out of the US because what happens if something goes wrong with the Light Seal and it does not get made properly and thus prevents the VP from sitting on the head properly, how are those people going to get a new Light Seal?
 

syrcular

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I just went through the preorder process and after adding up all the options and seeing the costs exponentially increase close to $4000, I aborted. I can’t justify it right now. Especially at version 1. Maybe I’ll change my mind again when I see more reviews and prolonged use opinions. I also want to see how many apps have come out for it and also see what the experience is like for non optimized apps. It’s promising but when you add up Zeiss optical inserts and mid to high tier storage, this thing gets very expensive. I’m sure it’ll be really cool but I think the barrier for entry will keep this thing readily available in my opinion but then again Apple does like to create that supply and demand hustle for all their new products.
 

blue2noise

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So last weekend I was 99.9% certain that I would be pre-ordering the AVP in a little over 2 hours from now. For me, it would have been extremely expensive since I would not only have to pay for the thing, plus whatever state sales tax would be applied, but also shipping from the US to Thailand, and then an additional 27% on top of that total for local sales tax and import duty. But I'm fortunate to be able to splash the cash, and put the funds in place, jumping through all sorts of hoops to hopefully ensure that I would be able to purchase the thing when the time came.

Personally I never envisaged the AVP as a productivity tool (although it would be possibly be of benefit for the videos I edit in Davinci Resolve) - for me the main use case would have been consuming content (both existing, and what I consider to be "next generation"). Those 4K per eye screens were the primary motivating factor over all other options out there right now. I don't think people really appreciate just how big a difference 4K per eye is going to make over all other headsets on the market right now - expect to read a lot about this in the coming weeks.

But with the news that there will be no YouTube (yeah right - you really think the YouTube VR experience is going to be optimal in Safari?), and that Netflix can't be bothered to build an app for it, I'm now only about 10% certain that I will go through with the purchase.

Who knows. Maybe in a couple of hours and after a few more beers I will just go "ahhh f#ck it" and try to buy one.

At the end of the day, none of the write-ups from those who have tried the thing have really made much difference, and certainly none of the discussion on forums has impacted my decision.

But if some of the biggest content libraries in the world (and by far, the biggest 3D/180VR/360VR content library on the planet) are not interested in supporting this device, I question why I should.

I'm probably going to end up buying the Quest 3 and the Viture glasses (I have use cases for both), with the view that they will just be temporary stop-gaps until other options with 4K per eye become available.

Best of luck to everyone with their pre-orders, but if you've changed your mind, I'd be fascinated to hear why.
I’m sure the web version works fine and YT VR videos stink anyway.
 
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