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Has Apple just abandoned AppleTV?
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Where did you find a 90% accuracy rate?
I obviously don't know if the leak is true or not, but there wasn't even a 90% accuracy rate with the known facts in that LeaksApplePro article, let alone the rumors, so I will remain skeptical until the 8th.
Ah, I mixed it up with Lovetodreams hitrate, since he predicted essentially the same.
No; I'm using Windows 10 on an Asus laptop. It does for me (if a little underpowered, it's five years old now). I think the last time I used a Mac was 1990! My Apple use is more for leisure than business/productivity, although I do have an iPad Air 3 for when the need arises such as when in meetings.
Apple really need to fix the search bar. I get that we can use our iphone to search but not everyone has their iphone with them all times and voice search doesn't always work - Siri. It's an annoyance that they can't even get their search UI right compared to Amazon and Google.
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I’m not holding my breath on that rumor for tomorrow, but I DID hold off buying something last week, just in case.
I’m also a bit concerned about buying apple stuff since my apple account has been locking over and over again for weeks, and I don’t want that to extend to my tv too
buuuut if they actually do update it, I’ll probably go for it. (Sure hope they replace the remote with something sensible and something that takes normal batteries)
I’m also a bit concerned about buying apple stuff since my apple account has been locking over and over again for weeks, and I don’t want that to extend to my tv too
buuuut if they actually do update it, I’ll probably go for it. (Sure hope they replace the remote with something sensible and something that takes normal batteries)
You can use any universal remote you want with an Apple TV though. I don't understand what's wrong with the remote it came with other than the lack of a mute button (which isn't an issue for me as I don't have ads on anything I watch anyway.)
I haven't even charged the remote for my ATV4K since I bought it last year. I would rather not go back to tossing AAA batteries into the garbage every few months again.
I haven't even charged the remote for my ATV4K since I bought it last year. I would rather not go back to tossing AAA batteries into the garbage every few months again.
No new Apple TV today (AirPods Max instead) so looks like we all will have to wait until March/April until Apple might release a new iteration. This should be no surprise Bloomberg's reporter who gets fed info from Apple directly said about six months ago no new Apple TV until 2021.
I waited until today. I need one now not later. So, ordered the current gen 32gb 4K a few minutes ago. Disappointing no new one but oh well.
What do you need it to do now that it can't already do? So far it's the most reliable streaming device (no buffering or random drops to extremely low quality ala Firestick or Chromecast) that I've had. It works so it doesn't need changing.
When folks at Apple start fixing what isn't broken, we end up with the likes of iOS 7, macOS Big Sur, and bugs, bugs bugs.
When folks at Apple start fixing what isn't broken, we end up with the likes of iOS 7, macOS Big Sur, and bugs, bugs bugs.
I use Siri for search often but the ATV does an odd thing during Siri search sometimes.
If I’m within an app, say Hulu, and I search for a show using Siri, it occasionally brings up the search hits graphically in the lower half of the screen, and it’s searching the entirety of all the apps on the ATV. My intention, in this case, is to search specifically within Hulu. It’s acting as if I’m using the overall search from the Home Screen. Other times, it properly stays within the app. This error happens even if Hulu does have the show, so it’s kind of wasting time with outside hits.
Hope that makes sense. Kind of a struggle to explain.
Actually play HLG HDR content correctly
Actually play 24p content correctly
Bitstream audio
All of these available via Fire Stick, Roku, and others.
Blarg. So the AppleTV didn’t get updated.
sooo...a 3+ year old Apple TV that may require me to log into it multiple times per week and may or may not work right with an IR remote, which may or may not render it unusable. I trust their privacy the most and probably security too. Wouldn’t mind the option to use Apple Arcade.
a chromecast with google tv which may or may not work well and I’ve heard does hdr black levels wrong (and also doesn’t support frame rate switching although I rarely need that, but still), and I’m not sure casting a chrome tab works well enough to send video back to it (h.264 onky, which is okay, but I don’t know if it can do it smoothly, nor give me local playback controls...my google home mini does neither with chrome tab casting). Wouldn’t mind option for stadia.
a FireTV cube that will probably leave an insecure microphone in my living room, doesn’t handle hdr right, but does give me voice control and another dvr option, both of which would be cool. No good way to do local media. Wouldn’t mind the option for Luna.
or a Roku ultra that in some ways sounds great, has 3 potentially good ways to do local media, apparently does hdr right like Apple TV, is actually the only platform with OS level frame rate switching (Netflix disables it on lol these devices though)
Aaaaaaand once again I’m left with four options, all of which seem to have gigantic upsides and downsides, and I don’t know what to do. If that Roku premier had an Ethernet port I’d probably just have picked it up for $24 and used it indefinitely or until someone else made something flawless.
sooo...a 3+ year old Apple TV that may require me to log into it multiple times per week and may or may not work right with an IR remote, which may or may not render it unusable. I trust their privacy the most and probably security too. Wouldn’t mind the option to use Apple Arcade.
a chromecast with google tv which may or may not work well and I’ve heard does hdr black levels wrong (and also doesn’t support frame rate switching although I rarely need that, but still), and I’m not sure casting a chrome tab works well enough to send video back to it (h.264 onky, which is okay, but I don’t know if it can do it smoothly, nor give me local playback controls...my google home mini does neither with chrome tab casting). Wouldn’t mind option for stadia.
a FireTV cube that will probably leave an insecure microphone in my living room, doesn’t handle hdr right, but does give me voice control and another dvr option, both of which would be cool. No good way to do local media. Wouldn’t mind the option for Luna.
or a Roku ultra that in some ways sounds great, has 3 potentially good ways to do local media, apparently does hdr right like Apple TV, is actually the only platform with OS level frame rate switching (Netflix disables it on lol these devices though)
Aaaaaaand once again I’m left with four options, all of which seem to have gigantic upsides and downsides, and I don’t know what to do. If that Roku premier had an Ethernet port I’d probably just have picked it up for $24 and used it indefinitely or until someone else made something flawless.
how well does that actually work though? It’s got the ability to jump back 5 seconds or whatever from an IR remote? Smoothly fast forward/rewind? Access to every menu/option? I’ve been unclear on how useable it is with an IR remote, and thus how usable it is at all.
You guys had ONE job!
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If one of you guys buy an Apple TV now it may just alter reality enough to make the tuesday announcement become about an updated TV
Works very well for the most part, the only things you can’t do is use Siri and bring up the Control Center.
Is there no way to bring up the control center at all? Wouldn’t that be an issue?
and does it give you a “jump back” type option where you click one button to go back a few seconds in most/all programs? (That’s one feature I use a lot....Roku has an explicit button, fire tv, pressing left does typically the same thing)
oh, for that matter does it let you reboot the AppleTV from an Ir remote? I’m sure I’d need to reboot it from time to time, especially to get iTunes and the Apple TV to “see” each other as I often have to reboot my iOS devices for them to see iTunes.
I’m being driven nuts by this pick!!
For my needs, I’m not sure GoogleTV nor FireTV would work for me to just simply stream local content to them the way I think I could with AppleTV and Roku ultra.
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You 'learn/pair' it from within settings under remotes and devices. It indeed does to play/pause, ok, back, menu, skip forward and backward. I use my Spectrum remote all the time with it (since it can turn everything on/switch inputs with one button) no issue one bit.
You can go farther though. Get one of those ONN Walmart 5-device remotes, and it has Apple TV listed under the code lists, and gives you the same function of an Apple TV remote. The Apple TV has an IR receiver (not many know that though). I often find it quite handy if my Galaxy S4 is near me, but not my remote, to use the IR Blaster to control the ATV as well.
I think the only thing you miss is Siri. I never used it. Last time I tried, first day actually, I asked it to 'play Star Trek The Next Generation.' Instead of continuing from whatever season I was actually on, it started over at Season 1 Episode 1. It did that with every show. Alexa had similar issues with Fire TV. Google Assistant failed equally as hard with Netflix support. It starts each show from the very beginning, and refuses to continue onward if you manually override. As much as I've always dreamed of a voice-controlled TV, it failed hard.
You reboot an ATV via settings-->System-->Restart. That's the IR method. That's also the method I used the ATV remote for. Wasn't aware of any other method. I often have to pull the plug to resolve issues (hard freezes, it incorrectly thinking my internet is down, or apps refusing to load, dumping back to home screen, screen saver looping the same video) since reboot does a soft restart only.
I wasn't aware there was a control center in the ATV UI. I never could get one to show at least, by swiping from upper left or from the bottom on the touchpad.
Thank you! If nothing else it sounds fine with an IR remote then.
ALL these boxes seem like they have issues, positives and negatives. *sigh*. With covid I’m not going to return anything I order either, making it all feel riskier.
if I end up with an Apple TV, I could have bought it MORE THAN A YEAR AGO and made heavy use of it this past year 😂🤦🏻♀️
I’m having some issue with my apple account the past month or so where it’s frequently forcing me to log in again all over the place (iOS, iPadOS, iTunes, various individual apple programs on each).
I’m guessing someone is trying to guess my password and keeps locking my account, though it’s obnoxious as it keeps being a hassle for me (wish they’d do something to stop the bad guy, leave my already logged in devices used from the same location as always alone!)
I’m kind of worried an AppleTV would be in the same boat, and I’d be stuck logging in to it every day when I just want to sit down and relax with tv lol
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The Apple TV's IR remote learning feature has been around since the first generation ATV, and is really easy to use. You can use just about any IR remote, too. It even works with a iRobot Roomba remote, which I didn't use, but just wanted to see if it would actually work.
A downside to using it with tvOS is that IR remote button presses are not universally built into the OS, at least for apps. The app developer has to include the IR button presses in the app, otherwise, the IR remote doesn't do anything.
Even at 3 years old, it is still a better experience than the competition.
A lot of the competition doesn't use IR remotes at all.
I don't understand this one. What would render it unusable?
That is what a lot of us have been telling you and many other people with threads with a similar topic.
Over the past two years, there has been threads asking when a new ATV4K will be out with people saying that they want an ATV4K, but want to wait for the next ATV.
People saying they will "wait for the (WWDC, iPhone launch, rumored random product launch, etc) event", so the events come and go, and still no ATV. But, there is always another rumor, or another event coming up that people will wait for, and that whole time, they could have been enjoying an ATV.
I always reply to these threads saying if you need one now, get one now.
If you and ATV4k today and three weeks from now Apple launches a new ATV, it isn't like your ATV4K will stop working or be bricked. If the new ATV (if it ever happens) has features that you just have to have, sell your ATV4K and purchase the new one.
In reality, while the ATV4K is more expensive than the competition, it isn't like a $1000+ device, so purchasing one isn't really that big of a financial risk.
I understand that everyone's financial situation is different, so maybe the purchase of an ATV4K would be too much for them. But that is where the much cheaper competition comes in to play.
On the Siri remote at least, press and hold the TV button to bring up the Control Center.
I have had my refurb for 3 weeks now - love it. Major regret not buying it sooner.
The only issue I have had is one Apple Arcade game won't load — Sayonara Wild Hearts — it just stops every time after the initial load screen.
I've tried deleting and reinstalling several times and rebooting - no luck.
The only issue I have had is one Apple Arcade game won't load — Sayonara Wild Hearts — it just stops every time after the initial load screen.
I've tried deleting and reinstalling several times and rebooting - no luck.
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While it's not entirely bug-free (although the last update to tvOS made it a lot better) it's still the most reliable at streaming. I've tried both Google and Android TV, as well as the Fire TV Stick, and multiple Smart TV and Blu-Ray platforms. None could reliably stream one episode over 40 minutes in length.
The Fire TV interface is a joke, it loves to play ads, show ads everywhere, and the interface still assumes it's 2008. It's a cluttered up mess, showing 'Prime' tags doesn't guarantee free, (many still make you pay) and there's geo-restrictions all the time (Want to stream Pokemon 4-Ever? forget it!) many movies that should be purchasable don't have any options other than 'this video is unavailable in your country' (I'm in US).
Android TV tries hard to be Apple TV, but fails hard. It's always either freezing up, or the interface logs you out, or you have to re-verify your Google Account. It had advertised on the box, the Assistant taking a command 'Hey Google, Play Stranger Things on Netflix' I tried that, with my Google Home. Doesn't work. "I'm sorry, I can't do that on Android TV" (they want you to use the remote, not the assistant on any device!) While Android TV has a Chromecast built-in, it supports far less voice commands than a Chromecast. For example, you can't ask it to turn the TV on/off, or control volume, or even play shows. You have to have an actual Chromecast dongle for that to work (and even then, it tends to 'disconnect' far too often to be useful)
Blu-Ray players, smart TV OSs, forget trying. It's frustration central, and migraine inducing. This includes Tizen on Samsung TVs, and WebOS on LG TVs (I'm saddened what LG did to tarnish WebOS even more than what HP did. It's not even WebOS anymore, and has few apps supported aside Netflix/Hulu)
The Fire TV interface is a joke, it loves to play ads, show ads everywhere, and the interface still assumes it's 2008. It's a cluttered up mess, showing 'Prime' tags doesn't guarantee free, (many still make you pay) and there's geo-restrictions all the time (Want to stream Pokemon 4-Ever? forget it!) many movies that should be purchasable don't have any options other than 'this video is unavailable in your country' (I'm in US).
Android TV tries hard to be Apple TV, but fails hard. It's always either freezing up, or the interface logs you out, or you have to re-verify your Google Account. It had advertised on the box, the Assistant taking a command 'Hey Google, Play Stranger Things on Netflix' I tried that, with my Google Home. Doesn't work. "I'm sorry, I can't do that on Android TV" (they want you to use the remote, not the assistant on any device!) While Android TV has a Chromecast built-in, it supports far less voice commands than a Chromecast. For example, you can't ask it to turn the TV on/off, or control volume, or even play shows. You have to have an actual Chromecast dongle for that to work (and even then, it tends to 'disconnect' far too often to be useful)
Blu-Ray players, smart TV OSs, forget trying. It's frustration central, and migraine inducing. This includes Tizen on Samsung TVs, and WebOS on LG TVs (I'm saddened what LG did to tarnish WebOS even more than what HP did. It's not even WebOS anymore, and has few apps supported aside Netflix/Hulu)