What I mean is both require a user to break it. A screen does not magically break, just as a phone does not magically bend.
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What I mean is both require a user to break it. A screen does not magically break, just as a phone does not magically bend.
But that could be said for anything, no? A phone does not just drop calls unless a user is holding it wrong. A phone does not get scuffed unless a user is doing things to scratch it. A home button does not get stuck unless a user is pressing it. Apple maps doesn't take you to the wrong location unless you are following its directions (ok, the last one is a joke, or is it?)
If you can't grasp the absurdity of the false equivalence you just posted I really can't help you.
That's weird. I've had my phone drop calls when it wasn't even in my hand. What does that do to your theory?
Goes both ways man. You live in some la-la world, and this is the response I would expect from you.
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I guess it is all the users fault, apple is never to blame then?
No, it really doesn't and here's why since you genuinely seem incapable of understanding why your example is bunk:
An oven is a machine designed to cook food. A pocket is not a machine designed to bend phones.
So, your false equivalence is still false and nothing here "goes both ways." A pocket is still a location and not a reason why a phone got bent.
That is the whole point Surf! A pocket shouldn't bend phones, but it does with this phone in some cases.
Your oven example is still false, and your assertion that pockets bend phones is still bogus. Pockets don't exert force. Pockets are a PLACE.
I've carried my phone every day for months in my pocket.
I have done cartwheels with it.
I have sat down in the car with it.
I have laid on it when it was in my pocket on my side.
Still fresh as ever.
What is the argument again?
I have done cartwheels with it.
I have sat down in the car with it.
I have laid on it when it was in my pocket on my side.
Still fresh as ever.
What is the argument again?
He has a point! when I knocked up my girlfriend my friend asked me how it happened? I said, well we had sex! Then he went on that having sex will not result in pregnancy. He told that he had sex with his boyfriend and he never got pregnant.
I think the argument from the other side of the fence is that your phone IS bent and you just don't even know it.
Didn't take the time to read the entire thread, but wanted to post my experience for someone that might be considering an iPhone 6+.
I pre-ordered a 128 gb gold iPhone 6+ and received it on launch day. I have carried my naked phone in my front pocket every single day since launch (5f 11in, 170lb, fitted jeans or tailored slacks if that matters). I charge my phone to 100% every night and consider myself to be an extremely heavy user of the phone. 30-120 min of conference calls per weekday, 30-120 of personal calls per day, 200+ emails, calendar appointments, PowerPoint review (not creation), 60+ min of music, small amount of social media (mostly work related), personal banking, entertainment on flights (movies etc) etc. When I am onsite, I can take anywhere from 50-300 photos per day. I carry around an external battery, but I would suspect that I easily drain the battery at least once per day. I live on the west coast of the US. The phone has traveled to 3 European countries, 4 Asian countries, Australia and ~20 of the US states.
I am delighted to report that when I place the phone screen side down on a marble table top, there is no bend to the phone. I know that isnt very scientific, but that is all I am willing to do for a forum review. I do have one small scuff on the top right corner of the phone, which I believe occurred while the phone was in my pocket. The metal back and screen have no scratches and all the buttons work flawlessly. I would consider myself to be more aware/careful than the average person, so anyone considering the phone should keep that in mind.
I continue to hope that I will not experience any bending of the phone.
I pre-ordered a 128 gb gold iPhone 6+ and received it on launch day. I have carried my naked phone in my front pocket every single day since launch (5f 11in, 170lb, fitted jeans or tailored slacks if that matters). I charge my phone to 100% every night and consider myself to be an extremely heavy user of the phone. 30-120 min of conference calls per weekday, 30-120 of personal calls per day, 200+ emails, calendar appointments, PowerPoint review (not creation), 60+ min of music, small amount of social media (mostly work related), personal banking, entertainment on flights (movies etc) etc. When I am onsite, I can take anywhere from 50-300 photos per day. I carry around an external battery, but I would suspect that I easily drain the battery at least once per day. I live on the west coast of the US. The phone has traveled to 3 European countries, 4 Asian countries, Australia and ~20 of the US states.
I am delighted to report that when I place the phone screen side down on a marble table top, there is no bend to the phone. I know that isnt very scientific, but that is all I am willing to do for a forum review. I do have one small scuff on the top right corner of the phone, which I believe occurred while the phone was in my pocket. The metal back and screen have no scratches and all the buttons work flawlessly. I would consider myself to be more aware/careful than the average person, so anyone considering the phone should keep that in mind.
I continue to hope that I will not experience any bending of the phone.
What is causing it to twist then? By having my phone in my pocket, it's trying to shape itself to my leg as my pants tighten (presumably from walking).
The point of the matter is, your phone shouldn't remain twisted by walking with it in your front pocket. The device is too fragile if that happens.
Before you say it I don't even feel my iPhone in my pocket most of the time. If I was applying LOTS of force, I think I would feel lots of pressure on my thigh, but that's not the case.
Also, as I've said before, it's very easy to twist it back to normal again. I don't have a twisting machine so I can't scientifically say how much force it takes to twist it back, but I hardly use any strength at all very, very minimal and others have attested to that too.
You're spreading false information just as much as the others. Your phone is fine, so therefore there's no issue right?
Just as your phone is bent, so all iPhones are bent/can bend, right? Flawed logic goes both ways, right?
Can the iPhone 6/6 Plus be bent? Yes. There is no denying that. Will it simply bend on it's own, without any kind of outside force? I think that is what Surf Monkey is trying to get at. Simply putting it in your pocket does not make the phone bend. It's the additional force that you put on it day after day. Unless you are measuring the force that you put on the phone while it's in your pocket, there is no way to verify that they force you apply is "very, very minimal" or "a lot".
Yeah but Surf is just arguing semantics then and that is the annoying part. Not sure I get the point of that. Of course it takes a force to bend a phone when it is in your pocket. We are not idiots calling it magic. It shouldn't matter the exact degree of force.... a phone should not bend or twist in a pocket with normal use(imho).
That's why I specifically stated my experience. MY EXPERIENCE. He was telling me that it isn't twisting or bending in my pocket, but I know from first hand experience that he's wrong (at least with my case).
That's all I'm saying. It's no longer a matter of opinion, I know what my iPhone has done and I've corrected it a few times, but that doesn't change the fact that it does and has happened to me personally.
Define "normal use". I sit most of the day, so keeping the 6 Plus in my pocket might affect it (I know it will affect me, since it's a larger phone). However, someone that stands all day may not be affected. So, which is "normal use"?
And phones have bent and twisted BEFORE the 6/6 Plus. It's just that thanks to social media and the fact that this is Apple, it gets blown out of proportion.
I have a iPhone 6, no case, just a leather and wool sleeve... I carry him in my pocket sometimes and so far so good. I do take it out when i seat or when i'm going to do something that will apply more pressure to my pants and directly to the phone... Most of the time i carry it on my jacket inside pocket if i'm wearing one.
As for the why and the "normal use"... The question, in my opinion, is, what is normal use?
If i use it in my pocket and going to make 2km's of parkour, is it normal?
If i use it in my pocket and going to make a 18 hours travel where I spend all that time seated down with my phone very tighten, is it normal?
etc etc etc...
Not knowing what "normal use" is, can change every perspective on this subject... The normal of the person A, might be a violent abuse to the person B.
In my opinion, normal use is to use your phone normally but taking a bit of care when your doing more "violent" stuff (than just walking)... After all we are not talking about a 20 euros gadget... Even without this bend thingy, I'm always extremely careful with my stuff... It costed me almost 1000 euros... Thats A LOT in my country for me to not be careful with it...
As for the why and the "normal use"... The question, in my opinion, is, what is normal use?
If i use it in my pocket and going to make 2km's of parkour, is it normal?
If i use it in my pocket and going to make a 18 hours travel where I spend all that time seated down with my phone very tighten, is it normal?
etc etc etc...
Not knowing what "normal use" is, can change every perspective on this subject... The normal of the person A, might be a violent abuse to the person B.
In my opinion, normal use is to use your phone normally but taking a bit of care when your doing more "violent" stuff (than just walking)... After all we are not talking about a 20 euros gadget... Even without this bend thingy, I'm always extremely careful with my stuff... It costed me almost 1000 euros... Thats A LOT in my country for me to not be careful with it...
First, the phone is "trying to shape itself to" your leg?? Shape ITSELF?
Come on now. You really don't expect anyone to take that seriously, do you?
Second, I never claimed that the fact that my phone isn't bent means there's no issue, so you can put that straw man back in its box.
Finally, as to twisting, I can't speak to that because my phone isn't twisted, I haven't seen any evidence of wide spread iPhone twists and while you claim there's no way to know how a phone gets twisted I tend to disagree. Things neither bend nor twist on their own, so whether you personally know what happened or not, something happened. The fact that it isn't happening to a MUCH larger percentage of phones indicates that it's a much more isolated phenomenon than you and some others would like to believe.
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It isn't a semantic point at all. Not when the actual argument has been advanced that the phones bend just by putting it in a pocket. Neither is just saying "normal use." There is no objective standard for "normal use" so falling back on that completely ill-defined term is not a way to solidify your argument. "Normal use" is no more an answer to how a phone got damaged than "it was in my pocket."
The point here is that too many of the pro-bend crowd want to promote the idea that phones bend easily or with little or no input from the owner. I find that assertion impossible to believe and feel that the "it was in my pocket!" answers to "how did it get damaged" stick out like a sore thumb.
Come on now. You really don't expect anyone to take that seriously, do you?
Second, I never claimed that the fact that my phone isn't bent means there's no issue, so you can put that straw man back in its box.
Finally, as to twisting, I can't speak to that because my phone isn't twisted, I haven't seen any evidence of wide spread iPhone twists and while you claim there's no way to know how a phone gets twisted I tend to disagree. Things neither bend nor twist on their own, so whether you personally know what happened or not, something happened. The fact that it isn't happening to a MUCH larger percentage of phones indicates that it's a much more isolated phenomenon than you and some others would like to believe.
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It isn't a semantic point at all. Not when the actual argument has been advanced that the phones bend just by putting it in a pocket. Neither is just saying "normal use." There is no objective standard for "normal use" so falling back on that completely ill-defined term is not a way to solidify your argument. "Normal use" is no more an answer to how a phone got damaged than "it was in my pocket."
The point here is that too many of the pro-bend crowd want to promote the idea that phones bend easily or with little or no input from the owner. I find that assertion impossible to believe and feel that the "it was in my pocket!" answers to "how did it get damaged" stick out like a sore thumb.
I'm disinclined to dole out hit count to someone's YouTube account. Furthermore, one YouTube video is unlikely to prove a widespread trend.
I can only tell you what I've observed. Whether you believe me or not is on you.
You're right though. The iPhone doesn't bend or twist on it's own. The only time it's not just sitting on a flat surface, it's in my pocket. It doesn't bend on it's own so I know that nothing is happening to it while it's sitting there not being used, and I'm not holding it like a gorilla when I am using it, so it must be happening in my pocket as the phone slides around and turns to the side. The leg and pants provide a pivot point for the phone to try and shape itself to the curvature of my leg. How could it be happening any other way? Can you please enlighten me? Are the iPhone bend gnomes coming in my room late at night and twisting it?
Give me a break
Good god. This thread is still going? It's basically just a discussion among like five people at this point.
The phone is "trying to shap itself to the curvature of [your] leg." Shape ITSELF. That's really your position here? And you expect anyone to take that seriously??
You are missing the point again.
If it bent under "normal use" then there would be millions upon millions of phones that are bent and the line for returns would stretch from Cleveland to Cupertino.
Or are you saying that the millions of other users doesn't use their phone under normal conditions?
I used my 5s under normal usage and never dropped it...but when I took off the case to sell it, I noticed a severe chip in the metal case. So obviously, something happened when I owned it that was "not normal" and my memory is obviously not as perfect as I thought. I'll go with data over people's memory any day, and the data does not have millions of millions of returned phones used "normally".
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That's funny! Do you have rock hard thighs that would provide the resistance to be useful as a pivot point?
Note in the CR videos, they use a piece of metal as the pivot point, not a ham sandwich.
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