That makes sense; I think I'll only wear my Apple Watch inside for music control on my phone when I have one of my 2 hour listening sessions. I did set the time on the Hamilton to my G-Shock which is exact. I'm going to see how many seconds a day it is out. It is so nice to see that sweeping second hand.
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Has your Apple Watch entirely replaced your expensive Swiss watch?
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Nice timepiece mate.
Its like any of my watches, I chose what I want to wear when I get them out.
Its like any of my watches, I chose what I want to wear when I get them out.
Call me crazy (and I probably am since I started this thread) but today I bought another traditional watch in my local shopping centre. With a discount it was a bit cheaper than the AW2. Kind of an end of year treat for myself as I've gone through cancer but am now much better. I couldn't resist it; I've never had a Hamilton before and they are a good entry level Swiss brand, part of the Swatch group now but originally American. It's this model and I paid £315:
https://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-H64...001F7MIY8/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
A question for those who use both their Apple Watches and their mechanicals: How do you wear or rotate them? I've become addicted to the AW measuring my activity that it will be hard to let that go.
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I didn't know the model when I bought the watch in the shop other than that it was a Khaki. I've since discovered it is a Khaki King as worn by Hugh Laurie in the TV show House.
Overall it is regarded as a good bang for the buck watch. Mine seems to have only gained a second in the day I've had it. And the day and date both changed at 11:58 as I was awaiting New Year's Day last night, pretty impressive. I'm now looking to sell the Maurice Lacroix and alternate the Hamilton with the AW.
Overall it is regarded as a good bang for the buck watch. Mine seems to have only gained a second in the day I've had it. And the day and date both changed at 11:58 as I was awaiting New Year's Day last night, pretty impressive. I'm now looking to sell the Maurice Lacroix and alternate the Hamilton with the AW.
I had a quick look at one yesterday, it's a very nice watch for the money and is even good value at the £395 rrp.
So I've decided to wear 2 watches at once.
I can't really do without the AW2 so it is on my left wrist while one of my Swiss watches is on my right (I want to wear my new Hamilton so don't see why I shouldn't). And the only one who is really going to notice is me.
I tried this out briefly once before and felt rather silly, but I'm going to give it a longer go. The Swiss watches are pointless just sitting in my drawer, but I may sell the Maurice Lacroix.
I can't really do without the AW2 so it is on my left wrist while one of my Swiss watches is on my right (I want to wear my new Hamilton so don't see why I shouldn't). And the only one who is really going to notice is me.
I tried this out briefly once before and felt rather silly, but I'm going to give it a longer go. The Swiss watches are pointless just sitting in my drawer, but I may sell the Maurice Lacroix.
I think I was fortunate in knowing that I wanted a Hamilton before I went out shopping. The original watch I wanted, which the store had on its website, was a Khaki Field with a beige face and brown strap but the store didn't have any in stock.
Then I spotted the Khaki King on sale, £300 to £450 was pretty much my budget so I was lucky to get it for £315. They took some links out for me, too, so that it fits me perfectly.
I had noticed in the last couple of days how much I was missing the AW, hence my decision to wear both.
Then I spotted the Khaki King on sale, £300 to £450 was pretty much my budget so I was lucky to get it for £315. They took some links out for me, too, so that it fits me perfectly.
I had noticed in the last couple of days how much I was missing the AW, hence my decision to wear both.
My ex boss wore both. He had the AW on his right wrist and a Rolex Sub on his left. It was very rare you'd notice the AW though as it was tucked up a shirt sleeve, whereas his Rolex was quite chunky.
As a gold Rolex 116613 owner, that is such a fashion faux Paux
I've seen some wear the Apple Watch and a Fit Bit. Odd with two direct competitors.
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An interesting thought. But the problem I see with the Apple watches is that they are both expensive and intended to be disposable.
The Apple Watch is only relevant and useful as long as it is supported technology. When it can no longer sync with your iPhone, its trash.
Traditional mechanical watches will still be relevant and useful centuries from now (until we move to using star dates lol).
And when it comes to expense, the fact that the Apple Watch is e-waste right out of the box (as in predestined for the eventual trash can), that makes it a high investment for a short useful life in comparison.
For the sake of comparison, my cheap $20 Timex (traditional style / not digital) has been used since before the Apple Watch existed, and will continue to serve me well into the future with no expense other than a $1 battery every 10 years or so.
Given that in 40+ years I've never had to service any of my watches. And even the $10 watches never required more than a battery every 10 years, I don't buy the idea that expensive watches are so unreliable that their maintenance will make Apple watches seem more economical.
Now I do understand that antique watches might need refurbishment for collector value. But that is different. No Apple Watch will be relevant enough or worth enough to refurbish in 200 years.
I can't disagree with you and I like traditional watches too. The Apple Watch 2 will likely have a lifespan of perhaps 3 years before it's outdated and/or unworkable due to its being a piece of electronics.
But I like it for what it can do now.
But I like it for what it can do now.
I wouldn't be so sure about that, I was an avid watch collector, I have a really nice Breitling, and Tag collecting dust in my watch box... Along with a few other mid-tier watches (movado, esq swiss, etc...) I only wore the Breitling to a wedding once since getting the Apple Watch a few months ago.... If I'm not wearing them then I am certainly not going out and buying any new ones..... And I am pretty sure I am not the only one in this boat.
Since I got a smart watch (starting with the original Pebble, then onto a Pebble Time Steel and now an AW S2) I haven't worn my Victorinox watch (not mega-expensive, cost about the same as the AW S2).
The battery went dead in it about a year ago and I haven't even got it changed yet. Probably should, it's a nice watch and I do like to wear it when going out sometimes. But day-to-day I'm totally sold on smart watches. I won't sell it though (for a start it was a birthday present for my 30th from my wife) - it'll certainly outlive any smart watch I buy.
The battery went dead in it about a year ago and I haven't even got it changed yet. Probably should, it's a nice watch and I do like to wear it when going out sometimes. But day-to-day I'm totally sold on smart watches. I won't sell it though (for a start it was a birthday present for my 30th from my wife) - it'll certainly outlive any smart watch I buy.
I don't think the high end Swiss Watch industry have much to worry about but the £500-&1000 market may have sales taken off them by the AW. I just don't get the impression somebody in the market for a £25k gold Rolex or a £45k Patek Philippe are going to settle for a £360 AW or even the hugely overpriced gold version. They just don't have the same wow factor imo. The craftsmanship just isn't there or the investment value.
I agree. I think most with the financial means and interest in high end Swiss watches will continue to own/collect these watches and not switch over completely to a smart watch. However I'm not sure that younger people who don't wear watches except for fitness and function will develop much interest in this high end market after using a smart watch and that could eventually hurt sales.
It's just my opinion, but even if the software isn't supported three years from now, as long
As the Watch is well managed and has battery life, it still has the potential to be used as a time piece if anything.
I agree! short term no but long term the swiss watch market will be affected. Now I have used an Apple Watch I would never use a normal watch again. I always wanted to buy an Omega but now I don't care anymore. It only tells the time!
Try wearing a normal watch after wearing an Apple Watch. You will be looking for the weather! haha
This happens to me every time I wear one of my regular watches.
Standing in my closet: "Hmm. Which jacket should I wear today? What's the temperature..." *glance at Seiko* "D'oh!"
I gave my Apple Watch a rest over the Xmas break and wore my real watches for most of the time and the weather was the only thing I really missed.
I actually work for a Swiss watch manufacturer. Sales have notably dropped in the US and Asia (it's the same for a lot of other brands), as we sell watches within the 400-1000 CHF range.
However, funnily enough my bosses do not think that the AW is factor. I think they underestimate the impact the AW has. Of course the AW is not the sole problem here but the drop is not just because of economic issues around the world.
My bosses say that Apple Watch is an inferior product compared to traditional watches. Comments like that concern me, because they remind me of Steve Balmer and the RIM CEO when the iPhone launched in 2007. Maybe Johnny Ive was not so wrong after all when he said that Swiss watch brands should be afraid of the AW.
However, funnily enough my bosses do not think that the AW is factor. I think they underestimate the impact the AW has. Of course the AW is not the sole problem here but the drop is not just because of economic issues around the world.
My bosses say that Apple Watch is an inferior product compared to traditional watches. Comments like that concern me, because they remind me of Steve Balmer and the RIM CEO when the iPhone launched in 2007. Maybe Johnny Ive was not so wrong after all when he said that Swiss watch brands should be afraid of the AW.
Do you guys find you have no need to look at your iPhones now you have the watch then? Has the habit of checking handy information on your smartphones reduced somewhat?
Yes and no. A lot of the time I can get away with using the Apple Watch but if I get an interesting notification, the first thing I will do is go straight to my iPhone to read it properly on a decent sized screen.
I've turned off a lot of notifications since I first got it as there was a constant barrage of unimportant stuff. I've left Hodinkee and Watchville turned on on though so I get all the latest watch news as soon as it goes live.
I've been reading about two widely different reactions by Swiss manufacturers. One, mostly coming from Richemont and LVMH, has been to buy back unsold inventory from dealers and, in come instances, destroying the excess. The other, mostly from Swatch Group, has been to declare unsold inventory as an "investment" for when sales start to take off again. I wonder which reaction is more realistic.
I look at my phone a lot less when I'm wearing the AW. More specifically, I don't feel like I always need the phone nearby or on my person. When I went out with my wife yesterday for groceries and to the mall, I left my phone in her purse the entire time. I didn't want to revert to the [increasingly old] habit of poking around on my phone while she browsed (you'll see husbands and boyfriends doing it all the time these days), yet I knew that if someone really needed to get a hold of me, they could.
When I'm home, I'm fine with leaving my phone just laying around somewhere. Via the AW, I can screen emails and check weather radar while I'm on the john, yet I'm not going to be tempted to scroll through fifteen feet of Twitter, either. Between my AW and the iCloud connectivity with my MBP, I really don't need to grab my phone for every little thing anymore.
When I don't want to be connected to anything, I wear one of my other watches. When my wife and I went on a little trip last week, I wore the Citizen that she had bought for me, and brought my AW just in case I went for a jog (which I eventually did).
(my attempt to stay disconnected was mostly futile, however, because most of the other people staying with us were often noodling around on their own phones, tablets, and laptops... hey, I tried...)
Hilarious.I've left Hodinkee and Watchville turned on on though so I get all the latest watch news as soon as it goes live.
"Where do you get your news about Swiss watches?" "On my Apple Watch, of course!"[doublepost=1483627675][/doublepost]Just to add a little more --
When Schiller was talking about how each device along the chain needs to make a case for itself, the reason for the AW becomes a little more clear.
Just like with regular watches, there's some information that's really handy to have at -- literally -- arm's reach. Quick texts, email notifications, weather, phone calls, and (oh yeah) the time can be done briefly and with little hassle. When you need to do something more complicated -- and there's no way the tiny interface of the AW is going to cut it, if you're realistic -- the phone is the next logical step. The phone is a little less handy and a little less convenient, but it's just more capable enough to fill in the gap between the watch and a tablet or laptop.
I've described the range of computer devices as laying along a spectrum of convenience versus capability. At one end, you have ultra-convenient, and at the other, you have ultra-powerful. At the Powerful end of the scale, we've topped out a long time ago -- that's where you have your building-sized data farms and simulation supercomputers. Massive power, but horribly inconvenient, because you can't even carry one in a U-Haul truck.
The phone had been occupying the spot at the Convenient end of the scale, and to make a device even more convenient, a little bit of capability needed to be sacrificed.So, no, the AW will not be a smartphone replacement; but it has pushed the scale farther to the Convenience end.
Yes I have read about that. Don't now if the sales will take off again. It all depends on China really. There is a new law in China where citizens have to pay a tax (up to 60%) on watches they have bought in Switzerland. So selling them in Switzerland will not be an option anymore. Which is a huge problem as a big part of the sales in Switzerland were from chinese customers. But yeah the Apple Watch is not making our life easier.
And BTW: I am also wearing an Apple Watch Series 2 every day (even in the office) ;P