Haswell 13" rMBP general UI lag? Underpowered?

I'm not seeing any lag whatsoever on my 256/8/2.4. I don't do too much with my machine though, just a bit of PS,AI, Netflix, web development and have one virtual machine running now and then for some MS Office.

The only thing I get is the 'beach-ball' a lot while navigating the system, but it has no effect on performance? I've read up this could be a software problem anyway, its just a little annoying! :rolleyes:
 
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I've found that if I don't lift my fingers off the trackpad immediately at the end of the scroll, it is very smooth. If I do, however, it stutters. Best for Retina resolution, Firefox 25 & Safari
 
I have a feeling Apple will release mavricks updates etc that will tune things up a bit for people having lag. We are only at 10.9.0.
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Except the last versions of the rMBP running 10.8 reported very similar issues. If it is software related a fix doesn't seem to be very high on Apple's priority list.

I have since purchased a Haswell 13" 2.4/8/256 for testing and have experienced the same issues as we are all describing. If I think of the machine as a "Macbook Toy" it is acceptable performance but not for a 2000$ plus "PRO" machine. The next decision becomes, suck it up and enjoy the positives or pay the extra 1000$ and exchange it for the 15" 2.3/16/512 discrete graphics model...

Would be very frustrating if the 15"er ends up with similar struggles. At that point the problems would have to be chalked up as software related and we simply cant trust our hardware performance appraisals.
 
I had no qualms returning mine because of lag and a UI experience that was not as smooth as all my other apple experiences.

I must be in the minority of those that do not go gaga over the MBP retina displays. I'm actually happy about going back to an air. It feels just as capable for my uses, but with a snappier UI. Going to even the MBPr made me feel like I was working on a pig of a computer, the air is just so svelte and futuristic looking. I love sliding it into my bag and it amazes me how capable it is for its size.
 
My 13" Pro seems plenty powerful to me. The only lag I've experienced is maybe when opening folders within Launchpad which I do very rarely. Even then the lag is slight.

IMO this is one of the best all-around 13" laptops out there where you don't have to compromise on something in order to gain something else. Ever since I got my Pro I can barely stand to look at other screens, and that includes my 13" MBA which is sitting on a shelf somewhere waiting to be given away. No way am I going back to that.
 
Even though I don't see it on my rMBP, I would take a little lag over non retina any day. I have the late 2012 iMac 27 and a 11" macbook air I just sold today. I can sit here all day on the 13" retina screen and it blows away the MBA 11 and the iMac 27". I do photography too and what a difference it makes. The text is tack sharp and there is no eye strain at all. Right now I have 4 desktops open. Spotify streaming on one, VMware fusion win 7, iPhoto, and gmail. I can swap between screens, minimize/maximize and it is as smooth as silk.
 
Right now I have 4 desktops open. Spotify streaming on one, VMware fusion win 7, iPhoto, and gmail. I can swap between screens, minimize/maximize and it is as smooth as silk.
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Richard371, what spec 13" do you have?
 
the middle one 2.4/8/256

Im very OCD and complain about everything thats not perfect and am just not seeing the lag here. Been using it about 5 hours a day for a week now.

Someone posted where minimizing and maximizing disk utility is laggy and I confirmed it is. Exactly the same on my iMac 27.


commac said:
Richard371, what spec 13" do you have?
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What I enjoy the most about this screen is the whites are white and even. No yellow, no blue, no bleeding on the corners etc. Its the most beautiful screen I have ever seen on a device period. Ive never seen a screen so easy on the eyes as this one. Im still looking for the lag but I can't find it for the most part even though its using 4X as many pixels. You could not give me a non retina screen at this point.
 
You guys getting no lag whatsoever, are you running in best for retina or a scaled resolution? 1440x900 or 1680x1050?
 
rawraggi said:
You guys getting no lag whatsoever, are you running in best for retina or a scaled resolution? 1440x900 or 1680x1050?
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I usually run best for retina, but 1440x900 is fine too.

I'm very OCD with new tech, but genuinely I cannot fault this computer.
 
Keep in mind that none of the 13" rMBPs have discrete graphics. This is what happens when Iris is the only graphics available on it.

I also experience the same thing on my 15" rMBP when on Iris. Using gfxcardstatus to force it into GT750M, the lag disappears.
 
I have the lag issue with my new 13" rMBP. I did some testing after installing RDM.

1280x800 (Best for Retina) - No lag
1440x900 (Middle) - Some lag
1680x1050 (More space) - Lots of lag

Then using RDM I tested no retina modes

1920x1200 - No lag
2560x1600 - No lag

The lag is most visible when transitioning in and out of full screen. In 1680x1050 it's REALLY bad.

I don't understand why some people say they have no lag at all. I was in an Apple store at the weekend and I tried 1680x1050 in 3 different rMBP 13s and all exhibited the same issue as mine when switching in to and out of full screen.

I guess, because there's no lag at the default (best for retina) resolution, Apple don't see it as a problem.

I've switched to using 1920x1200 with RDM and my rMBP is now as speedy as it should be. It's a little small for a 13" display but livable until Apple maybe fix it.
 
2.8/16/1TB. No lag whatsover.

1920x1200 with two 1680x1050 external monitors. Low frame rate with redraws maybe, but no lag.
 
cs02rm0 said:
2.8/16/1TB. No lag whatsover.

1920x1200 with two 1680x1050 external monitors. Low frame rate with redraws maybe, but no lag.
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I think low frame rate is what many regard as lag.
I have low frame rate but not at 1920x1200 as that's a non hi-dpi resolution.
 
Lag not an issue on a 13 2.4 8/256, like it was on last years 13 retina.
If you look for it , you can still find it, but in general use its not concern.

rMBP late 2013 the best 13" laptop I've ever used,
and given that I feel the 15" is just too bulky,
I'd say its the best laptop I've ever used.

More lag is seen on the new 3200x1800 Windows laptops IMO, as they lack the IRIS GPU.
 
My 13" 2,4/8/256 is arriving tomorrow. I've tested it first at Reseller's shop after reading these forums.

There was absolutely no lag in "Best for retina" - I've tested basically whole iLife, iWork and Safari. It was buttery smooth.

Then I went one step higher with resolution and still - it worked flawlessly for me. Might be I didn't catch it at the shop.

Anyway - this is just Iris graphics and the resolution is huge. Scaling it is basically additional job to do for CPU/GPU. Might be that best for retina is less heavy on hardware to scale it.

With spaces I think "best for retina" and the one resolution above it is enough. At least for me. I can always plug it to my 1080p monitor and I guess it will work just ok.

A lot of people expect this laptop to be the mobile monster of performance if they pay so much for it. I dare you - find other laptop of that size and price that will handle retina resolution better.
 
Best for Retina and 1440x900 HiDPI: absolutely no lag.
Turn it up to 1680x1050 HiDPI and I occasionally have lower framerate animations but nothing compared to my 2010 13" MBP with an external display.
 
Then using RDM I tested no retina modes

1920x1200 - No lag
2560x1600 - No lag
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What is RDM?

I'd didn't know you could turn off HiDPI WOW night and day. No more drop in frame rate. Im using QuickRes which seems ok but cannot turn HiDPI back on without buying the full version or within system preferences.

As a web dev and jitter stickler, being able to turn off HiDPI has convinced me to keep the rMBP. All these resolutions are a super power in my field.

Why wouldn't Apple allow this natively? IMO amazing feature. LoDPI for work HiDPI for play.
 
No lag that I've seen on my mine either 2.6/256/16
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No offence but I'm convinced people who claim no lag/frame rate drop either don't push their machines very hard or maybe do not know the difference.
 
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