Haswell Prediction Poll: Sept? dGPU?

[mcarling]

I predict the following:
- All Haswell MBPs will have integrated graphics.
- The cMBP will quietly be dropped.

I do not make any predictions about the timing of Haswell MBP release (and therefore cannot vote in the poll) except that in the unlikely event it's not ready by mid-November, then Apple will wait until February.

I also do not make any predictions about a possible 17" Haswell rMBP, except that it would probably be announced in February (if ever), rather than this year.

 

[Mr. Retrofire]

They gonna wait till October for IGZO.

Yeah, in your dreams. ;-)

I can dream can't I?)

No, you can't. &

 

[Pentad]

From facts.

Sure...

What facts do you really have? Honestly, what facts has Apple officially given you?

Zero.

The best you have is speculation...and that isn't much.

-P

 

[Mr. Retrofire]

What facts do you really have?

Read my post and the benchmarks again. Thank you!

 

[GSPice]

Read my post and the benchmarks again. Thank you!

Those benchmarks have been around forever, dude. We all know about them. You should also post the same benchmarks showing what the Iris Pro's obvious weaknesses are. Is says a lot, but none of those "facts" tell us explicitly what Apple's hardware plan actually is across the MBP lineup.

 

[Krazy Bill]

Wait, so Final Cut pre-X buttered Apple's bread? ::sigh::

Just a smidgen... on the crust. .

I've used FCP through X.. and there are plenty more power users than I. Please insult FCP X users somewhere else, ok?

Hey! I was a FCP user and iMovie Pro user (before the updates) so I insult myself as well.

You guys have multi-cam support yet?

Back to Premiere for me a long time ago. (Which has its own challenges). But thank god Adobe sets the bar low so we aren't overly disappointed with each update.

 

[GSPice]

Just a smidgen... on the crust. .

Hey! I was a FCP user and iMovie Pro user (before the updates) so I insult myself as well.

You guys have multi-cam support yet?

Yes? I just did a project with multicam lol

But I am totally willing to admit that it's not a completely matured product - that's why those major missing features hurt so much. But to be fair, it's a new version. The interface and implementation is great though.

Growing pains for sure though. For the app, that is.

 

[fenjen]

Where is this whole no dgpu idea coming from?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested

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The 5200 is well off the previous generation 650M. I know the 750M isn't a HUGE increase, but the potential for having 2GB VRAM is there with the 750M.

It is a pro machine, having iGPU only would rule out the machine for use by many professionals including someone like me who needs it for video editing.

As Anand concludes

"For the past few years Intel has been threatening to make discrete GPUs obsolete with its march towards higher performing integrated GPUs. Given what we know about Iris Pro today, I'd say NVIDIA is fairly safe."

This. I don't get how anyone could believe Apple would drop the dGPU. That would be retarded and make the Macbook Pro useless for a lot of people

 

[kaellar]

Seriously, where are all of those "my professional needs will suffer from Apple not including the gaming dGPU into the next rMBPs" guys creeping out from?
From my professional requirements POV, I really hope, they'll DO include an Iris Pro into the next 15" rMBP. You can always go and buy some Alienware laptop with gaming graphics and do your professional work on it.

 

[Mr. Retrofire]

Those benchmarks have been around forever, dude.

yawn

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Seriously, where are all of those "my professional needs will suffer from Apple not including the gaming dGPU into the next rMBPs" guys creeping out from?

Good question. Everyone knows Windows, the drivers on the Windows platform and the appropriate computers are more optimized for games than Apples (r)MBP + OS X.

From my professional requirements POV, I really hope, they'll DO include an Iris Pro into the next 15" rMBP.

Same here.

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This. I don't get how anyone could believe Apple would drop the dGPU. That would be retarded and make the Macbook Pro useless for a lot of people

Such as?

 

[Pentad]

Read my post and the benchmarks again. Thank you!

You have nothing but speculation and conjecture. Those are not facts...

 

[mscice]

I think the new macbook pro haswell will released same time when maverick. So i guess end of October.

 

[Krazy Bill]

This. I don't get how anyone could believe Apple would drop the dGPU. That would be retarded and make the Macbook Pro useless for a lot of people

True. Paperweights, door stops and boat anchors... all of 'em. Really? And no offense, but the word "retarded" just sounds kind of juvenile.

 

[Yousif55]

I dont understand how you could possible want the rMBP to ditch the dGPU, you are literally asking to get ripped off! No improvements would have been made if they ditch the dGPU to only have the Iris Pro. I would rather have a HD graphics 4600 + dGPU as the 4600 is already better than lasts years iGPU and putting a newer dGPU in from the 7xx series.

Iris pro 5200 would be perfect for the 13inch but for the 15inch... thats just ridiculous.

P.s. FIRST POST WOO

 

[Mr. Retrofire]

You have nothing but speculation and conjecture. Those are not facts...

You repeat yourself.

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And no offense, but the word "retarded" just sounds kind of juvenile.

I'm sure you can use stronger words, to describe a certain situation. &

 

[GSPice]

You repeat yourself.

Honestly dude - if you don't realize that those benchmarks have been discussed ad nausium for hundreds if not thousands of posts... You're talking as if they're telling you something that no one else is seeing. At the end of the day, you don't really know any more than the next person. Why be rude about it?

 

[BlockEight88]

I predict the following:
- All Haswell MBPs will have integrated graphics.

I really, really hope not. Hopefully they add a DISCRETE GPU to the 13" mbp again.

 

[PDFierro]

I really, really hope not. Hopefully they add a DISCRETE GPU to the 13" mbp again.

Absolutely no way the 13-inch will get one. Even for the 15-inch it isn't looking good.

 

[BlockEight88]

Absolutely no way the 13-inch will get one. Even for the 15-inch it isn't looking good.

Well than someone like me who is in desperate need of a laptop might want to consider the current 15" then.

I am betting that the 650m will outperform the upcoming Intel Iris 5100 graphics?

 

[Mr MM]

the best deal would be a 8870m with the iris pro, openCL performance on AMD has grown a lot, and the 8870m fits the same power profile from the 650m

 

[fenjen]

True. Paperweights, door stops and boat anchors... all of 'em. Really? And no offense, but the word "retarded" just sounds kind of juvenile.

Retarded is a common word in the English language actually.

 

[Mr. Retrofire]

Honestly dude...

...yawn.

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Absolutely no way the 13-inch will get one. Even for the 15-inch it isn't looking good.

Thank god! More room for a bigger battery & better cooling in the 15".

 

[fenjen]

Seriously, where are all of those "my professional needs will suffer from Apple not including the gaming dGPU into the next rMBPs" guys creeping out from?
From my professional requirements POV, I really hope, they'll DO include an Iris Pro into the next 15" rMBP. You can always go and buy some Alienware laptop with gaming graphics and do your professional work on it.

From people in the video editing business or maybe from the game developing business. Their needs seems pretty "professional" to me.

 

[Mr. Retrofire]

...people in the video editing business or maybe from the game developing business...

I doubt that these target groups (if they are the target groups) have a problem with the increased performance of the Iris Pro 5200 IGP.

 

[GSPice]

From people in the video editing business or maybe from the game developing business. Their needs seems pretty "professional" to me.

Yeah as far as 3D processing capability goes, there's definitely a lot out there besides actually playing games. All I hope is that the work and games that I'd like to do are a good match for the hardware.