I was severely disappointed with the 2016 13" Macbook Pro with TB when it first shipped and returned it for a 2015 13" MBP. Has anything changed? Can you convince me to give the new MBP another chance or am I doomed to 2015 (2012) technology forever?
That's disappointing to hear. I wonder if Apple could have increased sales more if they built a laptop that's less flashy but more functional.If its not for you its not for you.
Nothing has changed and it won't (mac sales are up 11% driven by the new MBP's) so get used to them or move to another manufacturer that's your choice.
That's disappointing to hear. I wonder if Apple could have increased sales more if they built a laptop that's less flashy but more functional.
Apple uses up to four TB3 ports, which are infinitely more flexible than any other setup on the market and can support any kind of application domain. If this is not functional, I don't know what is.
I'm baffled by all these posts by people saying they hate the keyboard. I'm a developer too and I love the new MBP keyboard, it feels much nicer than my old Air. I don't really get the hysteria over ports either, with TB3 I now have a single cable providing power, external display, and several USB 3.0 attachments.
Exactly, people seem to think the only difference is the shape of the ports, they couldn't be more wrong.
Times change, sorry but your 1997 USB A cables/peripherals are obsolete.
Then there's the bottom line that the old rMBP could connect to two USB3 devices, a HDMI display, a DisplayPort/Thunderbolt display, a MagSafe charger (which might be built into your display) and a second Thunderbolt device and a SD card without a dock or multi-port adapter in sight.
What about my 2017 USB A peripherals?
The shape of the ports is kinda fundamental if it doesn't match all of the perfectly good equipment you already have.
Then there's the bottom line that the old rMBP could connect to two USB3 devices, a HDMI display, a DisplayPort/Thunderbolt display, a MagSafe charger (which might be built into your display) and a second Thunderbolt device and a SD card without a dock or multi-port adapter in sight.
Given that TB2 and USB3 were already fast enough for the majority of applications, that's a huge sacrifice in practicality for the majority for the benefit of a handful of people who want to connect two 5k displays and a pair of SSD RAID arrays (on a machine with a thermally hobbled CPU and mobile-class GPU)
...and, anyway, I think most people would have happily accepted a MBP that just swapped TB2 for TB3/USB-C and kept the other ports, at least for a couple of years until there's a critical mass of USB-C/3.1g2 and TB3 devices. At the moment, the lion's share of TB3 devices are just docks that give us back the ports we lost but still need, or external drives that wouldn't have taxed TB2.
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What about my 2017 USB A peripherals?
What about my 2017 USB A peripherals?
And have a laptop that looks like a spider with half a dozen cables coming out of it?
Or one single USB C cable with a $25 hub neatly hidden under your desk.
USB-C can be all of those ports
which, of course, was always an option with the old TB2/DP ports (Oh, you needed a separate charge cable - the horror!)
What happened to Firewire 800?
Sorry remind me exactly which USB A ports or docks support 4k/60hz?
...which is better than not being able to connect those connectors at all because you don't have the right adapters in your bag.
...which, of course, was always an option with the old TB2/DP ports (Oh, you needed a separate charge cable - the horror!), and would still be an option if Apple had just swapped TB3 for TB2. Now, it's a necessity.
Anyway, like most of the USB-C evangelists, you're operating in USB-C alternative facts mode. A $25 USB-C hub shares a single USB 3.1 connection between all its ports - provided that you're only using 2 DisplayPort lanes. Connect a single 4k@60Hz display needing 4 DP lanes and everything else on the hub falls back to USB 2.0. You need a $300 TB3 dock to get equivalent connectivity to directly-connected USB3/HDMI/DisplayPort. Oh and if you actually, like, move your laptop around (maybe commute between home and work) make that a $300 dock under every desk you use.
TB3 stuff is expensive. USB-C stuff, at the end of the day, is just a single USB 3 port and a DisplayPort moshed together and contending for 4 high-speed data pairs. Oh yes, and it can power your laptop - so if you don't have a multiport adapter in your pocket you have to waste one pf your high-speed I/O/external display ports by using it as a charge socket.
Just like Thunderbolt 1&2 - and ExpressCard before it - and PCMCIA before that - could be used to add new ports. Somehow, though, nobody ever said "Hey, we've got a PCMCIA slot that can take an adapter card for anything, so we don't need any other ports..."
...USB-C/TB3 ports on a MBP would be fine - just not instead of all the other useful ports.
Why didn't you buy USB C its 2017.