jonku
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Yep.
Every time they plug a gaping security flaw, my first thought is "and how long have bad actors known about this?"
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Every time they plug a gaping security flaw, my first thought is "and how long have bad actors known about this?"
Parowdy
macrumors 68000
It’s the users fault that Apple releases sub par software that usually once installed can’t be removed and that is “advertised” all the time in settings and wherever you have the settings icon?
You can’t reasonably expect average people to willingly not update. They wouldn’t know why not and they can’t be bothered dealing with the system notifications, badges, one update turning on auto update for the next etc.
Apple is the only party at fault here and shifting blame to the consumer sets an awful precedent.
Also, it’s not at all true that Apple always leave iPhones on poor iOS versions. The iPhone XR and XS run iOS 18, a version far better than 26 in some aspects, and no iPhone will be stuck on god awful iOS 26. The iPhone 5s and 6 are stuck on iOS 12, generally regarded as the best performing modern iOS version for older iPhones instead of iOS 11 which to me personally was the worst iOS experience ever after iOS 7 on an old iPhone 4 (never had a 4s with iOS 9, so…) And the 3GS luckily never got iOS 7. iOS 15 on the 6s is also very usable, at least on models with more than 32GB.
FeliApple
macrumors 603
If the user updates 24 million times, keeps getting burned, and then complains, how can I not blame the user? Again, can’t you learn?
It’s not the users’ fault that Apple’s iOS updates are awful and that they disallow downgrading, yes, but that doesn’t even matter at some point.
Like I said, can’t you learn? At some point you deserve to use garbage if you can’t learn. Who cares about a small red “1” in settings and a pop up every once in a while? I get them all the time across several devices and it’s fine.
Now here I disagree completely. The difference is massive. The iPhone 6s on iOS 15 is garbage. Battery life is like 1.5 hours of SOT vs 8 on iOS 9/10. How do I know? Because I have a 6s on iOS 13 which gives me 3-4 hours of SOT, and I have a 6s on iOS 10 which gives me 8. Performance on iOS 13 is also infinitely worse. Keyboard lag, a relatively light game is unplayable, etc.
The iPhone Xʀ might have a “decent” performance on 18, but as somebody who has one on iOS 12, battery life is probably half as good as mine and performance is mediocre at best.
iOS 12 is better than iOS 11, but iPhone 6+ users for example considered it still very poor, especially vs iOS 8. The 3GS is awful on iOS 6, I have an iPod Touch 4G on iOS 5 (very usable) and one on iOS 6 (garbage).
All final iOS versions have catastrophic performance OR battery life loss (or both) on their final versions vs the original. Sure, the iPhone Xʀ might be “usable” on iOS 18 performance-wise, but battery life is awful vs iOS 12 and there’s probably a massive performance difference vs my iPhone Xʀ on iOS 12.
You know how iOS devices work on original versions as well as I do. You can’t tell me that final iOS versions are anything other than at best significantly worse and at worst they’re unusable.
Maxis
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Squidiey
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Squidiey
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srminton
macrumors regular
life is short, seems like a weird way to spend your time. I'm a former Google user, the idea of spending my time on Google forums just seems odd. what do you have to gain?
The Apple Watch Ultra and the Mac Pro 2019 feel wrong, especially as OS 27 series is marketed as fixing many of 26's issues.
Powerbooky
macrumors demi-god
Right... I use Linux as well, on Apple hardware (Intel Mac mini's 2009 and 2014). But I never felt the need to switch away from Mac entirely for my daily work and home because of an OS change.
In my personal experience, most Apple hardware can be used for +10 years or more. In case of Mac's I used them for +10 years without trouble. iPad can last that long too, but they usually need a battery replacement at some point. Sometimes users are forced to buy new hardware is when the software they use, after updating, suddenly demands the latest OS which in turn demands the new hardware. Which is debatable... does one really need all the new features?
The iDevices usually last long as well, if they're not too much dependant on online services like iCloud. There's an old iPhone 8 in our house that used to be from a passed family member - it's not supported officially, but somehow it still syncs photos without issues. And by the time iCloud fails, we can still move the photos over to our local home "cloud"
urnotl33t
macrumors 6502a
Yeah I can access the document on a non-mobile device (Mac or PC). I did that for a while at an earlier point when I hit the same wall. Doable, and it honestly was quite impressive how well it worked. I give them kudos for that.
It jist stinks they won’t allow that on the mobile platforms. I’d actually have little to no issue with the app-is-blocked method if they just allowed the mobile web access.
I also do kick myself (as admitted earlier elsewhere) for not getting iPadOS 18 at the last opportunity I had before they cut it off. I do take responsibility for that. I’d still have document access (they do promise, and deliver, on their 1 or 2 versions back compatibility), until OS 27 lands. I typically wait for the late as possible moment to update to a newer version (x.4-ish) because I know it’s a poop-fest until near the end. So as you said originally, I do take that responsibility, for that reason. IIRC, I waited until 26.3 to update even tho I lost document access. I was doing it on my Mac until then, but I got to a point where I needed it more regularly.
In olden days, (Pre-iOS 12), I’d update rather often. Now, I wait as long as possible. “The devil you know…”. I saw the MR post about “iOS 18 is being cut off, get it while it’s hot!”. I checked and still had aces to install it. I said “ok, I’ll get that this weekend. Cool.” (2 days or something at the time; I don’t recall exactly). I went to do 18 and… crap. It was yanked. Argh!!! My fault. I was so mad. Had to no one to blame but me. Bit the bullet… and here we are.
C’est la vie? QED?
Squidiey
macrumors regular
Like I said, I'm confused about the timing, not about being upset in itself.
FeliApple
macrumors 603
Right because you said it was a collaborative document, right? Presumably others do run 26 so it breaks compatibility with your device. Yeah, those things are tough, as someone who runs older iOS versions like I said and as someone who is used to this, it is still annoying when this happens. And perhaps in this case the workaround is really poor, because you can’t even access it with the same device at all. I see how that is annoying.
Yeah, this is very understandable. There are some things you need and sometimes there is now workaround or the workaround that exists is too inconvenient. These are the limits of staying behind. These are the only cases in which I find updating acceptable.
Sometimes some of your needs just… force you out. And there’s nothing you can do.
Honestly… in the past when that happened to me I’d just upgrade. My iPhone Xʀ on iOS 12 was my main phone until last year. I hit a compatibility wall: WhatsApp was about to drop support, the YouTube app doesn’t work, web browsing was very tough with many website just loading a blank page, the Reddit app loaded a blank app, it had come to a point where it was too much even for me, somebody who is used to tolerating this and seeking workarounds. So I upgraded to my 16 Plus, my current phone, which runs iOS 18.
My iPhone Xʀ? It is playing music next to me, still running iOS 12.
Sometimes you have to update.
Yeah, Apple pulled support notoriously quickly both last year and the year before that (so, iOS 17). It caught many by surprise who were intending to go back and couldn’t because they missed the signing deadline.
Honestly my criticism was quite stern towards users, but you are one of the exceptions: you had no good alternative this time. In your position, I’ve done the same thing in the past.
Parowdy
macrumors 68000
Keep telling yourself whatever you need to. On one hand you blame Apple, on the other random people. People that don’t know better, peoples parents, peoples kids.
Just because you can life with a constant red badge on the screen and periodic system notifications telling you there are great new experiences waiting for you doesn’t mean everyone else has to as well. Many people that use Apple products value visual clarity, something Apple knows and uses to push people to update.
It honestly reads like you’re trying to feel better about yourself by complaining about people making the same mistakes you did before while missing the point who put you and them in the position to make a bad decision in the first place.
Apple deals the cards they want to and you blame the people for their bad hands.
No point in arguing anymore.
FeliApple
macrumors 603
I agree, but that can happen to you once, twice, three times.
Long-term iOS users keep doing the same thing, updating the oldest supported devices to the final versions with the same results.
What am I supposed to think?
Steves Padawan
macrumors member
Apple Watch (2015) released in 2016 in my country, losed support in 2019, after that i cannot pair them with newer iPhones with ios 13 and later
now Apple Watch SE2 are done...
im tired of this
now Apple Watch SE2 are done...
im tired of this
Steves Padawan
macrumors member
they repaired keyboard after 4 months, before it was slow, or text was with spaces between every letter in notes or other apps... battery drain was fixed after two months.... it was like beta
While I'm not surprised by them bringing the hammer down on Intel, several of these other cutoffs are overly aggressive. The 6-7-8-Ultra Watch one seems particularly harsh in view of these already having the AI neural support. They should keep a security update window going longer than they have in the past, the Intel products included (these really should go for ten years from release)....and perhaps they need some more competition/regulation too.
It's a measure of how broken the tech industry is right now that Apple, in spite of these update cutoffs, is looking more attractive than Wintel as a value prospect just at the moment on account of so far not having raised hardware praises, but rather chosen to let profit margins go down from let's say quadruple historic norms to a mere double or triple historic norms, with the result that the unified memory laptops in particular seem quite competitive at this point.
It's a measure of how broken the tech industry is right now that Apple, in spite of these update cutoffs, is looking more attractive than Wintel as a value prospect just at the moment on account of so far not having raised hardware praises, but rather chosen to let profit margins go down from let's say quadruple historic norms to a mere double or triple historic norms, with the result that the unified memory laptops in particular seem quite competitive at this point.
Steves Padawan
macrumors member
iPhone 3G on iOS 4 was really slow, 4S with iOS 6 slower, 6 with iOS 9 bugged, X with 11 losing signal...13 Mini was perfect until iOS 16 after that batter drain begins
iPad Pro 2017 was fast until iOS16/17
cjsuk
macrumors 68020
Every time Apple piss me off with something I move it over to my Linux box.
I'm basically left with Lightroom, which is slowly being replaced with DarkTable and Apple Music, which is being replaced with FLACs. Plus some shell scripts I haven't ported yet.
The AW went for a Casio F91W about 9 months ago. I travel a lot and it's too much of a burden to look after the damn thing.
sos47
macrumors 6502a
this.
a good watch should last for decades!
thats the reason i never bought an aw and would never buy one.
I'm appalled the watch s8 and Ultra 1 are being dropped. I was on the fence buying my s8 in the first place, but figured I'd get a solid 5 years of updates, anyways. I will absolutely under no circumstance light my money on fire buying one again.
I was never able to talk myself into giving up my Seikos and Casios for an Apple Watch.
I’m sure I’d appreciate the functionality, but my Seiko SKX007 is really pretty in the sunlight.
I’m sure I’d appreciate the functionality, but my Seiko SKX007 is really pretty in the sunlight.