Have you ever made a serious attempt at suicide?

someguy: Then we agree that the selfish part isn't the first thing to mention to a suicidal person.

Suicide is a selfish act. It's a way for the person to end the pain he or she is living in, but telling a suicidal person that it is selfish will at best change little and at worst increase the pain and self loathing of the person.

A suicidal person often has terrible self esteem and may even think that most people will be happy to see that person dead, and that suicide is doing the world a favor.
 
I took a lethal dose of caffeine tablets about 11 years ago. I didn't know it at the time. It's not like there's an LD50 on the bottle or I wouldn't have done it. I was just popping them for ***** and giggles.

Totally ****ed my **** up though. Ain't slept the same since.
 
I'm unsubscribing from this thread now. I know everyone is volunteering this information, but I feel as if I am intruding in your personal space.

Love to all.
 
calebjohnston said:
Suicide is the most selfish thing you could ever possibly do. Suck it up; you'd be hard-pressed to find someone that's really happy with their lives. Doesn't mean you go and kill yourself.
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OMFG.

I can not take you any longer! :mad:

Negative negative negative.

UGH!

I now only have one person on my ignore list, and calebjohnston is it. :mad:

EDIT: you know what? do you think that we want to feel this way? hell no. god i can not take people like you.

you never say anything supportive, positive, or anything. and i'm not the only one whose just had it with you, and i know that for a fact.

EDIT 2: same goes for sameguy, but this is the only time you've pissed me off.


ugh this thread wants me to leave MR. :mad:
 
i have never even thought about it. not that my life has been perfect by any means, but i have a tremendous fear of nothingness. even being a christian, i just can't get over the fear that there might be a chance that when i die, i become nothing. i'm probably one of the few people on earth who would want to truly be immortal.

i also agree with those that say suicide can be extremely selfish. think about it this way, if you kill yourself because a girl dumped you, imagine what she'd feel like, having to live the rest of her life knowing that she was the reason someone killed themself. depending on how you look at things, that might be worse then what you did to yourself, even if the intent was something else.

fortunately, most people aren't serious about killing themselves, or they think their serious but deep down inside they aren't; because if you really, really want to kill yourself, you probably wouldn't fail at it.
 
plinkoman said:
fortunately, most people aren't serious about killing themselves, or they think their serious but deep down inside they aren't; because if you really, really want to kill yourself, you probably wouldn't fail at it.
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That's utter nonsense. Anyone who even makes even the weakest attempt at suicide is going way, way further than someone who wants to live at all.
 
someguy said:
Rephrased: What exactly are you implying?
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I'm simply pointing out that you dismiss the opinions of people who don't share your views by claiming your own opinion to be 'the truth'.
 
pseudobrit said:
That's utter nonsense. Anyone who even makes even the weakest attempt at suicide is going way, way further than someone who wants to live at all.
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Not true. I've had a handful of friends who have tried several ways to kill themselves, failing each time only to admit years later that they were just doing it for attention and felt, even at the time, that they could've easily done much more damage.

Brize said:
I'm simply pointing out that you dismiss the opinions of people who don't share your views by claiming your own opinion to be 'the truth'.
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That isn't the case at all and I apologize for causing you to think so. What I mean by 'the truth' is that many people I know/knew could not grasp the concept that life just isn't perfect (huge understatement, I know). When things go wrong, they always thought that it was only happening to them and they just weren't meant to be happy, therefore feeling that they would rather be dead (by some twisted logic). The truth is that I don't know ANYONE who have perfect lives where nothing bad happens or are happy all the time. I felt terribly depressed for years until I realized how my life compared to many others'. You just have to learn to stick it out through the bad times.
 
someguy said:
Not true. I've had a handful of friends who have tried several ways to kill themselves, failing each time only to admit years later that they were just doing it for attention and felt, even at the time, that they could've easily done much more damage.
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Is this thread about "cries for attention" or "serious attempts"?

Oh. Now get on topic.
 
pseudobrit said:
That's utter nonsense. Anyone who even makes even the weakest attempt at suicide is going way, way further than someone who wants to live at all.
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I agree with that 100%.

I can not even explain the pissed off level I am at right now.

I think I'm gonna be away from the forums a little. :mad:
 
pseudobrit said:
That's utter nonsense. Anyone who even makes even the weakest attempt at suicide is going way, way further than someone who wants to live at all.
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what i meant by that was that someone who tries and fails, probably deep down inside still wants to live, even if they think their serious about killing themselves.

i'm not trying to offend anyone here, and i agree that i probably don't understand the situation quite like someone who has been down that road, but once again, all i'm saying is that if you failed at your attempt, it's probably because a part of you still wants to live.
 
I haven't, but there's a good chance I might, though by that time it'll probably be called self-inflicted euthanasia rather than suicide. :D
Who wants to live hooked up to a hundred machines only to die a nice painful death of bed sores, pneumonia, and circulatory arrest
 
To the three of you with the "most selfish thing a person can do" attitude:

If a person was in an accident, severly mutilated. The doctors say that he will live but will be in a state of constant pain and agony for the rest of his life. If he begs someone to kill him and end the suffering, is he then the most selfish person in the world?

Severely depressed people can have an equally intense feeling of suffering, but it doesn't show on the outside.
 
It is important to differentiate suicide and parasuicide here, I appreciate that the original poster talked about a 'serious' attempt to kill oneself but the majority of overdoses are either below a lethal dose threshold or steps are taken (consciously or otherwise) to ensure discovery and thus prevent actual death. On the whole violent suicide attempts are more likely to be serious because they also carry a greater chance of success but there are a great number of factors that can be used to determine the intentions of the suicidee.

As for whether or not suicide is a selfish act, that really lies in the eye of the beholder - for family and friends it can seem very selfish and the poster who suggested that they should be happy that someone has finally ended their suffering can only really be right in very specific circumstances such as terminal illness. However, for the person commiting suicide the act can be seen as either selfish or selfless, either a big 'eff you' to the people they see as letting them down, or alternatively just removing themselves from everyone else's where - a decision that ultimately is a reflection of their low self esteem.
 
plinkoman said:
what i meant by that was that someone who tries and fails, probably deep down inside still wants to live, even if they think their serious about killing themselves.
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If you try and fail it's because your plan sucked and nothing more. The human body is remarkably strong and resilient.

i'm not trying to offend anyone here, and i agree that i probably don't understand the situation quite like someone who has been down that road, but once again, all i'm saying is that if you failed at your attempt, it's probably because a part of you still wants to live.
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Usually it's that part of you is afraid to die. You've confused the two states and that's precisely why you don't know what you're talking about.
 
pseudobrit said:
Is this thread about "cries for attention" or "serious attempts"?

Oh. Now get on topic.
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I'm sorry, I just don't believe that a thread could consist of anyone who has seriously made an attempt. If I really wanted to die, I'd kill myself and I would not fail. Everyone in this thread had/has some will to live, even if only a tiny bit of it on a subconscious level.
 
maybe this should be closed...

suicidal actions and thoughts come from so many places its hard to point out any one thing and diffcult to say in some cases if its wrong or not. I'm not too naive to think that everyone's life is as peachy as mine most of the time, I am sympathetic and I have heard some stories that would make you feel like its not selfish.

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gekko513 said:
To the three of you with the "most selfish thing a person can do" attitude:

If a person was in an accident, severly mutilated. The doctors say that he will live but will be in a state of constant pain and agony for the rest of his life. If he begs someone to kill him and end the suffering, is he then the most selfish person in the world?
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Wow, completely different situation...

Unsubscribing to this thread now.
 
I suspect that if I never knew about suicide it would never cross my mind. However, there was a time about 6 months ago that I was really depressed about a lot of things, and it crossed my mind a few times. However, I must say that I never did even come close. I am glad that I was able to think clearly, and tell myself that life is sh*t at times and it would be selfish of me to do such a thing. So I was never serious about it, no.
 
someguy said:
I'm sorry, I just don't believe that a thread could consist of anyone who has seriously made an attempt. If I really wanted to die, I'd kill myself and I would not fail. Everyone in this thread had/has some will to live, even if only a tiny bit of it on a subconscious level.
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Even the OP, who injected himself with sulphuric acid and thought for sure he'd be dead before he hit the ground?

Yeah, that really sounds like he wanted/expected to live. :rolleyes:
 
plinkoman said:
what i meant by that was that someone who tries and fails, probably deep down inside still wants to live, even if they think their serious about killing themselves.
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No. I don't feel that's true at all. A failed attempt can be a "wake up call", making you look at your life in greater detail.
When I did it, I woke up and just thought. I didn't die, even though I wanted to. I examined my life. I cut out the negatives, I found a new circle of friends.
Life improved exponentially afterward.
i'm not trying to offend anyone here, and i agree that i probably don't understand the situation quite like someone who has been down that road, but once again, all i'm saying is that if you failed at your attempt, it's probably because a part of you still wants to live.
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No, you don't understand.
There's no way to understand it, unless you've been there.
It's not a place you want to go.
I'm a completely different person because of it. In the back of my mind, it's always there.


**all of this is speaking from my own experiences.
 
gekko513 said:
To the three of you with the "most selfish thing a person can do" attitude:

If a person was in an accident, severly mutilated. The doctors say that he will live but will be in a state of constant pain and agony for the rest of his life. If he begs someone to kill him and end the suffering, is he then the most selfish person in the world?

Severely depressed people can have an equally intense feeling of suffering, but it doesn't show on the outside.
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well, there is a difference. there are ways to deal with depression. you can change the things in your life that are making you depressed, you can get therapy, you can take medication etc... thats not to say there is a quick and simple cure, but there are ways you can deal with it. the example you stated, that person would be pretty much stuck with it with nothing but the slim hope that medical science would advance enough to help them at some point.

and for the record, i'm not trying to make any sweeping generalizations that everyone who thinks about it is being selfish, nor would i ever suggest to tell someone that if they were thinking about it. if you go back, and read my post on the subject, you'll see what i'm saying. in that specific example i wrote, it was a selfish act.
 
someguy said:
Wow, completely different situation...

Unsubscribing to this thread now.
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Well, you won't be reading this then ...

If you can't understand that the sensation of pain and suffering is a thing that only happens in your brain and that whether the source is physical or the result of a mental illness is irrelevant to the person experiencing it, then you have a truth that you need to come to term with.
 
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