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what about my comparison to netflix/hulu/amazon prime? HBO is double the cost with less content.

Netflix and Amazon Prime offer old movies and old TV shows and have a teeny, tiny amount of original content. Hulu+ offers currently airing TV shows (as well as a back catalog) but still runs commercials because the subscription price is so low. HBO offers a ton of original content, plus back catalog movies, plus current episodes of shows.


It's a bad deal. At $8.99 HBO Now would still be a premium service considering the comparatively nonexistent content on the platform to Netflix or Hulu.

HBO doesn't even have to pay a cut to telcos so charging the same $15 they do in cable packages is dishonest and wholly anticompetitive and anti consumer.

How is having more options anticompetitive?

HBO is taking on risk with HBO Now as they have to build out their own servers, tech support, billing services, expand their own marketing efforts (which traditionally are handled by cable/sat providers) etc.,. HBO and cable/sat providers used to be best buds and now they are competitors. How much leverage do you think HBO lost in future negotiations with cable/sat companies now that HBO Now exists?

Why would HBO take on the risk of launching a new service if it wasn't going to make them more money than staying 100% partnered with cable/sat companies?

They cannot explain the 15$ price of HBO Now as simply as they have been and get away with calling it a good deal.

HBO Now is $15. How much is a cable plan plus the additional cost of HBO?
 
what about my comparison to netflix/hulu/amazon prime? HBO is double the cost with less content.

Quality over quantity. Netflix is okay, but most of what they have is crap. Almost everything on HBO (original content) is good, great, or excellent.

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FINALLY I don't need a dang cable company! I just cxld Comcast last week too!!

Who do you use for internet instead of Comcast? I tried to cancel my TV service through Comcast and just keep the internet, but I was told it would be essentially the exact same price, with or without TV. :rolleyes:
 
you get everything that's on HBO on HBO now.

Thanks.

I looked it up on Wikipedia... HBO produces 20 current TV shows and produced over 100 past TV shows.

Assuming all of that is available on-demand... I'd say $15 a month is great for such a quality back-catalog.

I was just wondering because people keep saying you "get more" on Netflix and Hulu.

But I always hear most of the stuff on Netflix is crap. So.....
 
Seasons 1-4 of Game of Thrones on Blueray costs $150 on Amazon. You will have to wait months after the next season premiers before it's available on BlueRay.

With HBO on Apple TV, you have instant access to every episode from every season, with new episodes viewable within 24 hours of airing live. All this without the anachronistic hassle of using a BluRay player, having to endure the mandatory FBI warnings and flipping out discs every time you want to watch something different. Plus you can't watch your BluRay discs on your phone or tablet.

That's just one good show. Add Silicon Valley, John Oliver, Bill Maher, Vice, and others - not to mention blockbuster movies that aren't 20 years old - and I'd say $15/month is a pretty decent deal.

The content selection on Netflix sucks and they routinely remove some of their most popular content. The few decent TV shows available there are years behind. Aside from House of Cards I can't think of anything worth watching there. Amazon is in the same boat, save for Alpha House, which is pretty good.

I disagree. You lump all seasons together creating an unusually high Blu-Ray figure. HBO has always had a limited movie supply that they recycle time and again. The Blu-Ray sound and picture quality for hours of watching make the 3 minute load time worthwhile. I've been watching Game of Thrones 4 on tablet with Blu-Ray's included free digital download from iTunes. Other shows you mention I don't care for and I enjoy not paying a subscription in order to have on hand unseen. There is a lot of quality programming to discover on Netflix and Amazon that I don't miss cable TV and its outmoded and expensive subscription model, let alone so-called premium channels that happen to have all but a few shining stars worth keeping up with.
 
Really?

HBO NOW is ridiculously overpriced.

Since I'm not at all interested in 99% of the crap that cable presents, getting to watch just HBO with no cable BS is worth $15/mo. Probably not on top of whatever cable guys are soaking folks for nowadays. Just in time for GoT, so I won't have to beg neighbors to let me watch.
 
when I had cable (three years ago) they were asking $10 per month extra to add HBO and I thought it was too expensive and never added it. Now they are asking $15?

Netflix/Hulu are $8 and have a wider library.

I will wait until this comes down alot

HBO is still light years ahead of Netflix on original programming. It may be overpriced for you because you have no interest in the content. That does not mean it is overpriced...
 
Good going for HBO ....

It may be expensive, but you get what you pay for.. I'll be interested in hooping on the HBO Now train...

I have Netlflix, and won't fault them, they have allot of stuff, i keep finding documentaries too. and/or older t stuff.... Les new releases, but you have iTunes for "first run movies" anyway. and other newer content.
 
Has anyone seen if in fact you subscribe to the service and on the premier of Game of Thrones for example, your going to be able to stream it live? I am excited about this but only if I can watch the series on the original air date.
 
HBO's deal with Apple is frustrating but understandable. what really peeves me is being in the UK and no HBO NOW availability at all. because of their contracts with Sky. it was already a defeat to not be able to watch GoT as it airs on HBO NOW but its daunting to think it could be over a year before it comes to this country.

I can watch it on Sky as we have it in this household but i hate watching it via sky because of the PAL speedup difference affecting the pitch of the audio. i've stuck with Region 1 DVDs for years to avoid this. of course with Blu Ray this was almost a forgotten problem anymore. but its still a problem with broadcast.
 
Why are people calling it a ripoff? You either like HBO content or you don't. I personally think they make a lot of the only good TV on so it's easily worth it to me.
 
For $15/month, I rather deal with the hassle of downloading/streaming for FREE.

When will these companies learn?

Learn to what? Lose money?

HBO spends a ton on making quality shows and they have to make a profit. When will whiny, entitled torrenters learn not to steal?
 
They are probably correct that my bill may be near or at the same total it is today.

However - I'm still thrilled to do this. I would far rather pay the same bill I do today and give it to some regional internet provider + the streaming services I enjoy than to give ALL my gd money to Comcast.

Simply put, I'd rather pay the people whose content I enjoy, than paying Comcast one more cent for horrific customer service and equipment.

^ This. It's fashionable to focus on the near monopolies (and then never actually DO anything about improving regulation), but the most notable advantage is paying to get more of what you want and will actually use than 900 channels constantly streaming hours of nonsense one fraction of which you will ever watch. There's value in that, as well as the usability and interactivity of internet based business models.

Think about how it's completely changed music distribution... the album is almost irrelevant. There was a time I'd have to buy an entire album to get the one song I wanted, or shell out between $1.49 for a cassette single and $3.49 for a CD single.... tack on going to the store, physically looking for it, possibly not finding it, etc.

How we consume content has changed so radically ... in my generation and before it, technologies usually lasted 2-3 generations. I remember reel to reel, vinyl, 8 track, cassette and CD. There are people alive today who have no idea what Musicland or Tower Records was. A generation from now there'll be people who will be disgusted at the idea of paying ANY amount of money to get 900 channels you don't want to get the 2 channels you do....

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Learn to what? Lose money?

HBO spends a ton on making quality shows and they have to make a profit. When will whiny, entitled torrenters learn not to steal?

While I agree with you in principle, the shrewdness of Apple over the entertainment conglomerates was that they monetized convenience above all things...

P2P services are a giant pain in the ass to use compared to the usability of a service like iTunes. Apple's approach wasn't to help the record labels sue the hell out of every potential customer but to treat "free" as competition and then figure out how do design an experience compelling enough that they could still get 99 cents a pop out of hundreds of millions of people.

The battle now is going to be between show runners, broadcast networks and premium internet channels like HBONOW, because the vast majority of produced content doesn't have the broadest appeal that it would make sense to partner with networks who, like NBC, are increasingly taking creative control in house.

HBO's subscription model is what enables them to stick with shows that might get cancelled due to sluggish ratings on the networks... they know their budget for the year, they know their subscriber base for the year, it's not tied to how well a show does week to week. They can commit HUGE budgets but they also really thrive on good writing because for smaller, more diverse interest groups, it works and it pays off with a greater return per viewer than the Wal-Mart approach of the networks who throw to the wall as much crap as possible to see what sticks.

If cable channels do not renegotiate their contracts to allow internet channels a-la carte, then the content producers they depend on will shop their pilots to the ones who do and have a much better shot at getting picked up because the internet is the world's biggest a-la carte paradigm where everyone goes to find exactly what they want.
 
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It is a very bad deal when you start looking at Sling that offers many more channels and a lot more content for as little as $20 per month.

Nothing on Sling interests me therefor it's a bad deal for me. See how that works? It's all subjective. Hbo at 15 is worth it for me.
 
because it's technically impossible that it could possibly be netflix's fault?

You mean the user's fault, my Netflix is fine.

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HBO still doesn't get it.

Moving from Comcast to Apple, I don't call that cord-cutting. They are just moving from one partner to another. One of the factors behind the success of Netflix and Amazon Prime is the availability on multiple platforms (yes, there are other factors too).

Besides, HBO on Comcast is ridiculously expensive (have to pay the Comcast fee). Just the same, $15 a month for HBO Now is also ridiculously expensive. It's twice the fee for Amazon Prime and twice Netflix (or it pays for having both of them together).

So HBO are still repeating the same mistakes of the same cable model. I'm so disappointed, I definitely plan on keeping Amazon Prime and Netflix rather than switch both to HBO Now.

Did you even read the article? Available on multiple platforms after 3 months. Geez, the Mac Rumors users...

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It is too expensive for just one channel, look at Sling.com for an excellent example of what can be done.

I have zero interest in ESPN, the food channel, Lifetime, A&E, and most of the channels Sling offers. Sling just wraps together crappy channels I don't want into a cheaper cable bundle. No thanks.
 
In other words... "Android users rarely pay for anything".

I guess if you consider $190 for DirecTV, plus netflix, and hulu plus. Then there's my $150+ AT&T bill plus the >$200 a month I split with my son for Verizon we both have devices for. Maybe you can even add all the BluRay movies I buy and the digital movies I buy on Google Play. So I guess Android users don't pay for anything.
 
So riddle me this:

I do not have any Apple devices save for:
13 inch rMBP
15 inch MBP

Will I be able to use HBO NOW? Are "computer" users going to be left in the dark?:eek:
 
Now HBO is being made available on Sling TV for $15/month by April 12...
 
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Both you and alent1234 are not reading what I said. It's not a USER or NETFLIX issue. It's an ISP issue.

I'll clarify, since your comprehension might be a bit slow here. I read it. Was pretty simple to understand. I just don't agree. And as such, I suggested an alternative as to why their might be streaming issues. So did alent1234. Also pretty simple to understand our responses.
 
HBO is taking on risk with HBO Now as they have to build out their own servers, tech support, billing services, expand their own marketing efforts (which traditionally are handled by cable/sat providers) etc.,. HBO and cable/sat providers used to be best buds and now they are competitors. How much leverage do you think HBO lost in future negotiations with cable/sat companies now that HBO Now exists?

Why would HBO take on the risk of launching a new service if it wasn't going to make them more money than staying 100% partnered with cable/sat companies?



HBO Now is $15. How much is a cable plan plus the additional cost of HBO?

Every over the top service has demonstrated that the value that covers those exact costs PLUS content is 8$ a month.

HBO is absorbing the savings from paying commission to telcos rather than passing those savings on to consumers.

HBO is assuming no additional risks whatsoever - it exists exactly as it always did on every TV service at the exact same price.

HBO earns about $10 a month per subscriber (in fact, less than that) through a telco.

If you ask my how much HBO costs with a cable plan, I raise you how much HBO now costs with unlimited Internet plus Apple TV plus any other devices you'll use it on.

The cost of your cable plan is irrelevant to the cost of HBO. A proper analogy is how much does HBO (by itself) cost on a cable service.

The answer is less than $5. (Divide the bundle cost by number of channels in the bundle).
 
I'll clarify, since your comprehension might be a bit slow here. I read it. Was pretty simple to understand. I just don't agree. And as such, I suggested an alternative as to why their might be streaming issues. So did alent1234. Also pretty simple to understand our responses.

My comprehension is fine and your rudeness is dually noted. Since you don't have any concrete information on the issues with my ISP, you should probably not attempt to provide an alternative streaming solution. It's not user error, which actually makes no sense, when my bandwidth drops dramatically on a hardline when I play a disney show.
 
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