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I still haven't ha...d an email, but trying to wa...tch Game of Thrones w...as an exercise in fut...ility last night. It wa...s "fine" (albeit switc...hing to SD) the w...eek before.

^ Simulated buffering :)

If I didn't know better then I'd think that maybe HBO was deliberately scaling back the bandwidth for foreigners. If this continues then I'll be cancelling at the end of the month regardless of whether I've been booted off or not.
 
^ Simulated buffering :)

If I didn't know better then I'd think that maybe HBO was deliberately scaling back the bandwidth for foreigners. If this continues then I'll be cancelling at the end of the month regardless of whether I've been booted off or not.

My stream was fine last night when i viewed GOT ep2. Do you have fast internet?
 
I still haven't ha...d an email, but trying to wa...tch Game of Thrones w...as an exercise in fut...ility last night. It wa...s "fine" (albeit switc...hing to SD) the w...eek before.

^ Simulated buffering :)

If I didn't know better then I'd think that maybe HBO was deliberately scaling back the bandwidth for foreigners. If this continues then I'll be cancelling at the end of the month regardless of whether I've been booted off or not.

I had no problems either. Was available right at 7:00 pm mst and streamed perfectly. This is using a dns service.
 
Right, but other companies in a similar position (including ones that produce their own content) turn a blind eye to this sort of thing. Terminating the accounts of legitimate paying customers is only going to drive them to piracy.

Broadcasting content for regions in which they don't have rights, or misstating royalties that are negotiated by region-- those WOULD be acts of piracy. If other companies are doing it, they should be sued; and would be, if they were caught.
 
Broadcasting content for regions in which they don't have rights, or misstating royalties that are negotiated by region-- those WOULD be acts of piracy. If other companies are doing it, they should be sued; and would be, if they were caught.

That's not piracy. It's merely breach of contract.

Regional restrictions are bad anyway, I applaud all who circumvent them. The restrictions are a total legal fiction and there is no compelling reason for them, they're anti-competetive and unfair.
 
That's not piracy. It's merely breach of contract.



Regional restrictions are bad anyway, I applaud all who circumvent them. The restrictions are a total legal fiction and there is no compelling reason for them, they're anti-competetive and unfair.


Content is owned by different companies for different regions. This is why Netflix and other streaming services content vary by region/country.
 
Content is owned by different companies for different regions. This is why Netflix and other streaming services content vary by region/country.

Content ownership for a specific region is a legal fiction though. What I mean is that it's made up by accountants and lawyers and has no bearing in the physical world.

I know why it is there - to sell the same product several times, to leverage high-demand markets in order to also sell to low-demand markets, and to overall increase profits.

However, I'm saying the externalities are bad: negative user experience, anti-competitive practices by the distributors, and other unfairness.

It might have made sense before, but with the globalization of the internet, the idea is an anachronism and shouldn't be used anymore.

I can't do anything about it of course, except for refuse to comply with their game.

What are all those people in non-US countries who paid for HBO Now going to do? Not watch Game of Thrones and Silicon Valley? I doubt it. They're going to go back to what they were doing before - pirating the content. HBO and the content-owners are basically shooting themselves in the foot by doing this.
 
Content rights for specific regions do make sense at this time in history. For better or worse we have the notion of sovereignty and this is at the core of the restrictions. Most countries feel a need to provide opportunities for their citizens in various endeavors. Unfortunately, while the notion of free movement of people is appealing what we now have is the free movement of capital with the less free movement of people. Unless you only want he US to have cultural industries there aren't too many options available to countries other than to have restricted licenses for cultural activities. The internet has not made a global one world community. The whole subject is very complicated and getting rid of countries is hardly about to happen.
 
Content rights for specific regions do make sense at this time in history. For better or worse we have the notion of sovereignty and this is at the core of the restrictions. Most countries feel a need to provide opportunities for their citizens in various endeavors. Unfortunately, while the notion of free movement of people is appealing what we now have is the free movement of capital with the less free movement of people. Unless you only want he US to have cultural industries there aren't too many options available to countries other than to have restricted licenses for cultural activities. The internet has not made a global one world community. The whole subject is very complicated and getting rid of countries is hardly about to happen.

I don't advocate getting rid of countries or blending cultures. Far from it.

There is plenty of demand for non-US culture in the world. I think regional restrictions do more to prevent other countries from making content, rather than promote it. For example, I know members of the Russian community here in the US that would love to buy access to Russian TV channels for a reasonable price - but various regional restrictions prohibit it. Theoretically, a small Russian content creator would make more money if they had access to the entire world, and distributors would make more money from ads if they knew the content was being consumed by the entire Russian community, regardless of border.

I believe the free exchange of culture, without concern for borders, would actually promote and develop all cultures. A restrictive system tends to favor one culture, free exchange makes it possible for smaller less rich cultures to thrive.

Also, specifically I disagree with your statement that the sovereignty is at the core of regional content restrictions. That's total nonsense.

The core of regional content restrictions is maximizing profits. Content owners make more money if they slice up the world into regions and sell the rights to each region to different distributors in each region. They make more money this way than selling exclusive rights to one distributor for the entire world; and they make more money this way than selling rights to many distributors for the entire world. The sum of the value of many small parts is greater than the value of the whole. That is at the core of regional content restriction.

The fact that the world is already carved up into regions merely makes doing the restricting convenient. They could just as easily make up their own lines, borders, and restrictions. Take the MLB blackout policy as an example - it's a regional restriction policy where some of the regions have no bearing or relation to actual state borders.

A content owner can theoretically sell the distribution rights to all towns in the world that begin with odd letters of the local alphabet to Distributor A, and the rights to all towns in the world that begin with even letters of the local alphabet to Distributor B. A content owner can theoretically sell the distribution rights to 24 distributors based on 15 degree latitudinal segments. It would be a mess, but it wouldn't be legally different than basing the distinction on country lines. To me, all of these options are equally silly.

Indeed, with the Berne Convention, most countries copyright laws are pretty similar. There is no modern need to have regional distinctions other than to maximize profits.

And to be clear, I'm not against maximizing profits. However, when that is the only reason to do something, it should be critically balanced against the negative externalities. Public policy dictates that desire for profits shouldn't give way to ridiculous outcomes. We certainly decided that monopolies are generally bad, even though it's the best way to maximize profits. These regional contracts are bad public policy and should be done away with.
 
So those who got the email, can you still access HBO NOW after the 21st?

Im interested to know also if people can still get around it.

I still have not got the email but guessing I will get once I start paying on my us itunes account using an american gift card. Has anyone paid for the subscription and used their us itunes account with a gift card and not get an email?
 
So those who got the email, can you still access HBO NOW after the 21st?

i can't.


i also never used a gift card or registered a bank card.

i just made the US iTunes acc and subscribed for the free trial.

i downloaded the app for iPhone/Pad. Accessed it from Desktop Macs.
 
Content ownership for a specific region is a legal fiction though. What I mean is that it's made up by accountants and lawyers and has no bearing in the physical world.

I know why it is there - to sell the same product several times, to leverage high-demand markets in order to also sell to low-demand markets, and to overall increase profits.

However, I'm saying the externalities are bad: negative user experience, anti-competitive practices by the distributors, and other unfairness.

It might have made sense before, but with the globalization of the internet, the idea is an anachronism and shouldn't be used anymore.

I can't do anything about it of course, except for refuse to comply with their game.

What are all those people in non-US countries who paid for HBO Now going to do? Not watch Game of Thrones and Silicon Valley? I doubt it. They're going to go back to what they were doing before - pirating the content. HBO and the content-owners are basically shooting themselves in the foot by doing this.

But, if they sold to all global markets at the same time, how does that affect you as a US viewer, me as an NZ viewer, Joe Bloggs as a UK viewer? It doesn't.

If the TV provider does ads for premium content, that also doesn't matter as the local viewers get local ads in prime time. If the globe got a top series at the same time that will add more revenue then releasing it over time to other countries as the hype has eased. Let alone some using alternative means ti view
 
But, if they sold to all global markets at the same time, how does that affect you as a US viewer, me as an NZ viewer, Joe Bloggs as a UK viewer? It doesn't.

If the TV provider does ads for premium content, that also doesn't matter as the local viewers get local ads in prime time. If the globe got a top series at the same time that will add more revenue then releasing it over time to other countries as the hype has eased. Let alone some using alternative means ti view

Well, here we are a US viewer and a NZ viewer talking about it. It affects me to the extent that if I want to speak with others in the world, such as you my friend, about certain shows. If our access to content is different, we cannot have a good conversation.

I'm being half cross of course. I realize living here in the US bubble, many of these things don't actually affect me personally. That doesn't make those things correct.

It's not about selling the same title everywhere in the world. It's about consistent distribution and usage. If I travel to Japan, or anywhere, I shouldn't have to worry about using a service I subscribe to, or watching media I paid for. Is there any good reason that I shouldn't be able to watch my DVD of Happy Gilmore on a laptop I purchase while in Japan? Why shouldn't HBO NOW work regardless of where I am on the planet? If I'm deemed good enough standing here in Boston, why am I suddenly not good enough to watch it standing in Paris?
 
Well, here we are a US viewer and a NZ viewer talking about it. It affects me to the extent that if I want to speak with others in the world, such as you my friend, about certain shows. If our access to content is different, we cannot have a good conversation.

I'm being half cross of course. I realize living here in the US bubble, many of these things don't actually affect me personally. That doesn't make those things correct.

It's not about selling the same title everywhere in the world. It's about consistent distribution and usage. If I travel to Japan, or anywhere, I shouldn't have to worry about using a service I subscribe to, or watching media I paid for. Is there any good reason that I shouldn't be able to watch my DVD of Happy Gilmore on a laptop I purchase while in Japan? Why shouldn't HBO NOW work regardless of where I am on the planet? If I'm deemed good enough standing here in Boston, why am I suddenly not good enough to watch it standing in Paris?

Your post appears to disagree with mine, but we mean the same thing, and agree. Currently you can watch stuff that I cannot, yet. Why? Your not affected by me, and vice versa, so whats the reason I miss out for 3 or 6 months? In fact If they sold/distributed globally they will make more money, as they will get all the money now, not spread over a year, and while the hype machine is in full swing.
 
I still have access to HBO NOW via VPN from unblock-us. When I was watching GOT, I noticed lag every 15 seconds or so but the quality was good. I'm guessing either the traffic was busy or HBO NOW are slowing down the service for people they have yet not caught?

Any thoughts?

People do say VPN can be slow, but this is the first time it's happened.

Update: watching a movie on HBO NOW and no lagging, why only on GOT?
 
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Im interested to know also if people can still get around it.

I still have not got the email but guessing I will get once I start paying on my us itunes account using an american gift card. Has anyone paid for the subscription and used their us itunes account with a gift card and not get an email?

I doubt that will cause any issues. It seems the hbo now account and itunes account are completely separate. I'd be willing to bet if it weren't for the 3 month window of Apple exclusivity, HBO now wouldn't even know how you are paying for the service.

So those who got the email, can you still access HBO NOW after the 21st?

Anyone still using HBO NOW after the 21st?

Yeah.. I can't watch it either.

Now back to torrent. Thanks HBO. :rolleyes:

My account finally got shut down on the 23rd (email said 21st). However I linked another HBO Now account to my US Itunes account about 5 days ago and it is still working and I have not received another email.

It could be that the email is still coming, but I think I might be okay. This time around I am making sure that I do not access HBO Now if I am not on my wifi network (which is using a dns service). I think I got 'busted' last time because I would browse HBO Now (site and apps) while not using the dns service, thus I had a canadian IP.

I still have access to HBO NOW via VPN from unblock-us. When I was watching GOT, I noticed lag every 15 seconds or so but the quality was good. I'm guessing either the traffic was busy or HBO NOW are slowing down the service for people they have yet not caught?

Any thoughts?

People do say VPN can be slow, but this is the first time it's happened.

Update: watching a movie on HBO NOW and no lagging, why only on GOT?

I noticed this last night as well. I wouldn't call it lagging though, as the show never stopped playing - it was more like a stutter or dropped frames. I have noticed this in the past as well, but it would happen very infrequently. Last night was pretty bad. But like you say, it only seemed to happen on GOT. I have been watching a lot of Deadwood and have never (or extremely infrequently) had this happen. I watched GOT right when it was made available and am going to attribute the stutter to high demand.
 
I noticed this last night as well. I wouldn't call it lagging though, as the show never stopped playing - it was more like a stutter or dropped frames. I have noticed this in the past as well, but it would happen very infrequently. Last night was pretty bad. But like you say, it only seemed to happen on GOT. I have been watching a lot of Deadwood and have never (or extremely infrequently) had this happen. I watched GOT right when it was made available and am going to attribute the stutter to high demand.

I'm using Unblock-US and said that HBO may be experiencing some "down-time"

Anyone else having trouble watching GOT?
 
My account finally got shut down on the 23rd (email said 21st). However I linked another HBO Now account to my US Itunes account about 5 days ago and it is still working and I have not received another email.

How did you do that?
 
I'm using Unblock-US and said that HBO may be experiencing some "down-time"

Anyone else having trouble watching GOT?

How did you do that?

i was about to try and do what he has done, register with another email address but use the same us iTunes account. The plan being no iPad/iphone/mac use of HBO Now. Well i have had a surprise.. i clicked "join free trial" in the HBO Now app on apple tv.. and it gave me a message like "congratulations, your account has been reinstated" referring to my us iTunes account email i think. and HBO Now is working on my apple tv.

i hope it works.. iv'e heard stories that it can work on the apple tv undetected but you will get detected if you use HBO Now on other platforms.
 
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