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how long til we see blu ray drives in our macs?

You can have it now if you don't require it to be an Apple-branded solution. A number of companies make Blu-Ray drives certified for the Mac Pro. And Roxio's Toast will support them.

As to an Apple-branded solution, here is hoping it is announced with 10.5.2.
 
You can have it now if you don't require it to be an Apple-branded solution. A number of companies make Blu-Ray drives certified for the Mac Pro. And Roxio's Toast will support them.

As to an Apple-branded solution, here is hoping it is announced with 10.5.2.

Is there an OS X based solution for playing BD movies?
 
blu ray i feel issuperior due to its ability to produce 1080p and its resistance to scraches and what not

Actually both are 1080p discs. I like the idea of the scratch resistance surface. I don't have scratch issues with my personal collection, but for rentals it would be nice. I went with HD DVD and if I had to do it over again I would have went with Blu-ray, but I can always add a player in the next year or two when the prices come down. I have bought a few HD DVD's of movies that I really wanted on eBay from the people who are panicking and selling like new movies for pennies on the dollar. Why pay $30 when you can get something for $10 or less?
 
Is there an OS X based solution for playing BD movies?

A quick Google search didn't turn any up...

If Blu-Ray and HD-DVD playback still require HCDP on the display end, then it is likely that Apple will release Blu-Ray hardware and software simultaneously with new Apple Cinema Displays since the current ones lack it.
 
blu ray i feel issuperior due to its ability to produce 1080p and its resistance to scraches and what not

Both HD dvd and blu ray can do 1080p BUT blu ray has more disk space so a whole movie can fit into it. And as for scratches HD dvd has more protection than blu ray and is more resistant to scratches.
 
It is NOW ESSENTIALLY OVER

Well, HD DVD appears to be ramping down.

Toshiba's price drop was really to get rid of inventory.

Paramount will return to Blu-ray.

Universal is going to get help from the BDA to get its HD DVD catalog re-encoded and mastered for Blu-ray.

Not to mention the rumors of the PS3 going to $299...

HD DVD was a great and affordable format anyways - too bad they couldn't agree on BD in the first place like DVD and make it easier on everyone...

These guys are insiders. They're usually on the mark:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/rumormill.html#012108

1/21/08

Things do not appear to be looking up for HD-DVD these days, folks. Based on the reports we're getting from sources at the studios and in the retail industry, this format war is all but over, from a practical standpoint at least. Frankly, we'd be surprised if HD-DVD still a viable commercial home video format much past the end of the year.

Word we're hearing - and no, not just from sources inside the BDA - is that Best Buy is not only planning to favor Blu-ray in their stores going forward, but may also be planning the gradual phase out of HD-DVD by the end of the 2nd quarter of 2008, so they can focus entirely on selling Blu-ray to their customers in the 2008 holiday season with a clear message. These sales you're seeing on HD-DVD hardware right now are - from the retailer's perspective - about clearing them off the shelves. Don't look for them to restocked much. The exact timing of this will depend on sales, and HD-DVD software will continue to be stocked for a while to service those customers who have already purchased players. But despite the retailer's public statements, which help Toshiba save face, privately they know which way the wind is blowing.

So too do Universal and Paramount. Paramount is expected to announce a return to Blu-ray Disc by mid-year, if not sooner. They reportedly want to give Toshiba some time to sell out current inventory, and to make their own preparations. Paramount at least has done all the ramp-up work needed to release on Blu-ray, as they've already done so as recently as last year.

Universal's position is a little more perilous, on the other hand, as they're more than two years behind all the other major studios in terms of Blu-ray development. Word is their HD-DVD video encodes can't simply all be ported over to Blu-ray, as some of them "aren't good enough." So some of the digital film masters have to be re-encoded, which is a lot of work. Sources are telling us that one of the things Universal is hoping to negotiate with the BDA is help doing just that. Nevertheless, expect Universal to have at least announced a decision to support Blu-ray going forward, likely in addition to HD-DVD, by the end of the year.

As for Toshiba's statements that they haven't yet lost the format war, again this is all about saving face. Yes, Toshiba hasn't officially waved the white flag... but it seems as if the rest of the industry is starting to wave it for them. Even Apple's Steve Jobs has now declared Blu-ray the victor in this thing (see this piece at CNBC), though like Microsoft's Bill Gates, Jobs is already talking past high-def discs to promote downloading as the future (for the record, we think both of them are significantly overestimating the speed with which consumers will embrace downloading over packaged media). So while the fat lady may not quite be singing yet for HD-DVD, let's put it this way: She's already standing out there on stage, all gussied up nice, with the band warming up, the spotlights lit and the curtains about to rise.

Frankly, Toshiba is going to have to create their own branded Blu-ray Disc player/recorder for the Japanese market or risk being left completely in the dust in its home territory, which is now 90% dominated by Blu-ray (and recorders are the preferred device in that market). So Toshiba's smartest move, at least in our opinion, would not only be to quickly embrace Blu-ray... but to move fast to create the best and most affordable Blu-ray/HD-DVD Combo player to sell here in the States. Right now, the available Combo players tend to be buggy and cost over $700. If Toshiba were to make a truly reliable one available for less than $500 in time for the holidays... they MIGHT actually move some units to early adopters and enthusiasts that have already purchased a lot of HD-DVD titles, but who will be looking to get into Blu-ray later this year. Guess we'll see.

Stay tuned...
 
Not to restate the obvious here, but...

This continues not to impact me in the slightest. I'm hoping to be able to buy an iMac prior to the introduction of BluRay to the platform (even though this may sound counter-intuitive to you folks) because I simply refuse to help prop up a DRM system pioneered/championed/etc. by my former employer.

And yes, I know that by that logic I would be propping up CSS by buying a "current" system; however as a purely practical matter there's no getting around having a regular DVD drive.

And while we're on the subject, doesn't it bother anyone here that our society is so ready and willing to bend over and grab ankles at the slightest whim of whichever company out there has enough power to de-factoize whatever product they want?
 
^^^^ I don't get your rant.

Do you not watch any digital media? Do you just read books?

Not a bad thing in my world. To be honest, books provide a lot more than any digital media, but necessitate an effort on behalf of the user. Not really something that people are willing to do these days, unfortunately.
 
^^^^

Kindle and eBook - DRM's for book reading... you will not escape! You will be told what to read and watch, when and how many times to pay for it! :eek:

Anyways, the article I found stated Best Buys were starting to fade out HD DVD's. The one I was at last week has already expanded the Blu section, starting taking over the HD DVD one - was wondering about that...
 
You can have it now if you don't require it to be an Apple-branded solution. A number of companies make Blu-Ray drives certified for the Mac Pro. And Roxio's Toast will support them.

As to an Apple-branded solution, here is hoping it is announced with 10.5.2.

the problem is there is no way to play back Blu-ray movies, you have to go PC to do that.
 
In the week following the Warner announcement 92.53% of HD Media player units sold were Blu-ray in the US.
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I'd like to post NPD's own "commentary" about these figures.

As you may have seen, there are attempts being made to portray NPD's weekly sales tracking figures for next generation DVD as a trend. We want to remind you and make clear that it is not accurate to make long term assumptions based on one week of sales -- a cautionary point that NPD has made as well.

The facts are that during the week that is being singled out, both Blu-ray disc players and software were being given away for free with the purchase of 1080p TVs. It is also important to note that the instant rebate promotions that had previously netted Toshiba's players' MSRPs to $199 and $249 had actually ended on Jan. 5th -- causing an increase in HD DVD's MSRP back to $299 and $399 during that same week. Since Toshiba's retail price move on Jan. 13th to $149 / $199 -- Toshiba is seeing very positive sales trends at retail. This reinforces the fact that price is a significant driver of sales.

Toshiba's HD DVD players represent a significant value to the consumer and the marketing campaign that just began is proving effective.
 
I'd like to post NPD's own "commentary" about these figures.
Are you aware that Toshiba has and continues to offer "free" HD DVD players with their Toshiba LCD HDTV line and that some stores were even ironically offering free HD DVD players with the purchase of Sony LCD TVs?

If Toshiba has been doing this all along, how is it suddenly tainting the numbers when Sony offers a similar promotion? How does this explain less than 2000 consumers buying HD DVD hardware in the same week?
 
In my humble opinion...

...I believe there are negotiations going on right now "behind the scenes" for a graceful exit of the HD-DVD format.

In my personal opinion, I expect the following to happen:

1) Toshiba around April 2008 will announce a phaseout of the HD-DVD format that will be completed by the end of 2008.

2) Toshiba will sell a lower-cost combo HD-DVD/Blu-ray (Profile 1.1 compliant) player as a transitional product.

3) Toshiba will start selling its own brand of Blu-ray Profile 1.1 and 2.0 players starting January 2009.

4) Both NBC Universal and Paramount will announce Blu-ray titles to be available starting late summer to early fall 2008.

5) Time-Warner will announce a program to trade in your HD-DVD discs for their Blu-ray equivalents (provided you include original HD-DVD disc and proof of purchase bar code on HD-DVD package).

6) With new, lower-cost chipsets for Blu-ray players now becoming available, the cost of Profile 1.1 players drops under US$200 and Profile 2.0 players drops under US$250 by December 2008.
 
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