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HD Mac Pros At NAB?

My question is whats the capacity of a Blue Ray and HD DVD, I heard/read some shaky source claining this technology isnt going to be all that beneficial other than Data Recording. I mean Movie at HD can fill about half what most these formats offers in space so really the companies can jam fill the remaining disc with Crap(well to some its nice content) But really what can Blue ray and HD DVD Video bring because the movies arent gonna fill that disc up. I do like one disc series, that would be nice. Having whole series of Friends in one disc is sooo sick!!!!

Anyway its gonna be DVD-R vs DVD+R World War 2!
 
steve_hill4 said:
If Apple, Sony, Panasonic, Dell and most major studios continue to support Blu-ray exclusively and those who previously supported HD DVD alone continue to support both, I think we will have our winner.
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The misconception that Apple has ever "exclusively" supported Blu-ray just won't die! :)
 
I hope that when HD becomes an option in a Mac, that Mac OS X does not become riddled with DRM restrictions that is found in Vista.
 
If true, I hope it means the next versions of iDVD and DVD Studio have proper support for burning HD movies.

Although considering my holiday movies aren't much more than 30mins, burning them in H.264 onto DL DVDs should be fine for me.
 
You've got to be kidding

Porn will play no role in this war. This is not 1980. No one rents or buys porn anymore from the local mom and pop store down the street. You get it off the internet, or cable or satellite.

Lets see one porno DVD for $30 to $50 or an entire months subscription to a 24/7 XXX cable channel that I can record to DVD if I really want to....$30

Which do you choose......

Blu-Ray will win out with main stream content this time around
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skinnylegs said:
The porn industry has adopted the HD-DVD format. Game over.....

:D
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ibglowin said:
Porn will play no role in this war. This is not 1980. No one rents or buys porn anymore from the local mom and pop store down the street. You get it off the internet, or cable or satellite.

Lets see one porno DVD for $30 to $50 or an entire months subscription to a 24/7 XXX cable channel that I can record to DVD if I really want to....$30

Which do you choose......

Blu-Ray will win out with main stream content this time around
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Actually, I heard something along the lines that "who wants to watch that stuff in High-Def?"

That format war was for videocassettes. This is totally different.

The article mentioned that "Disney will decide this format war."

Disney has chosen Blu-ray...
 
Timing is everything so they say....

And Roxio's Toast Titanium 8 now offers Blu-Ray support out of the "blue".

You think maybe they know something? :cool:
 
i think bluray will be the clear winner

along with the scratch resistant coating
the increase in data stoarge is immense TDK is in the works on a 200GB bluray
now we probably wont see this for several years but it is in the works thats more than hd-dvd can say

what really ticks me off if i can say those words here is
that the hd-dvd upgrade for manufactures is just a small upgrade to their equipment not necessarily cheap but cheaper than for them to buy all new bluray equipment
while the consumer is still left paying a round a grand for either formats player

so we are paying a premium for hd-dvd while the manufactuer is paying a small price
and if its such a simple upgrade for them are we actualy making a leap forward or just taking a step?
why do we have to buy all new equipment but they dont ?

thats why my hard earned dollar goes to blu ray

i would rather see the expansion of a new technology that has in most ways proven better than hd-dvd than pump more money into a allready dead technology for the video format

dvd may be good for audio uses now but the video aspect has been long gone

besides who wants to burn a HD-DVD data disk? the name is so specific
What, is my data in high definition now ?

no sir im burning bluray data's and bluray movies
 
It Can't Happen Soon Enough

I Think most of us would be very surprised if this didn't happen by then - especially at a NAB that is almost all high def at this point.

I also think Blu-ray will be the way. :) My Toast 8 is Blu-ray ready.
 
ibglowin said:
And Roxio's Toast Titanium 8 now offers Blu-Ray support out of the "blue".

You think maybe they know something? :cool:
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Yes, they knew that commercial Blu-ray burners would be available. Toast Titanium 8's Blu-ray support is for data.
Old Smuggler said:
what really ticks me off if i can say those words here is that the hd-dvd upgrade for manufactures is just a small upgrade to their equipment not necessarily cheap but cheaper than for them to buy all new bluray equipment while the consumer is still left paying a round a grand for either formats player
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HD DVD players cost about $500 list, whereas Blu-ray players cost about $800-1000. There are bargain deals on HD DVD players for around $300 and Blu-ray players for around $600.

Do you remember when DVD players first came out? They were expensive too, at around $700-1000.

Apple shouldn't go Blu-ray only. In a way it can't, and in fact it hasn't. Why can't it? Content creators are a significant market for Macs, and content creators need the capability to output in both blue-laser formats. How hasn't it? DVD Studio Pro 4 has had the capability to burn red-laser HD-DVDRs for almost two years now.
 
FCP 6 and RED support at NAB

I can't find a better place to add this info, but i have a reliable source that says Apple will release FCP 6 at NAB, and make a joint announcement to team up with the folks at RED to support the RED camera natively. That is very big news for filmmakers and those in pro video.
 
foltzie said:
National Associate of Broadcasters. Specifically, this would be at their convention. Not a bad place to show off new HD content capabilities.
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Hee hee hee.... two more weeks! I can't wait. Heaven for TV junkies like me. And Vegas has the Pinball Hall of Fame too!:D
 
HD-DVD is a dead-end format

HD-DVD is based on modifying existing DVD tech to use a blue laser.
It is limited to 2 layers of 15 GB each. End of story. No improvements, no larger capacity, no changes, ever. Any change would be a new spec requiring new equipment and effectively being a new format.

Blu-Ray is a new spec for using a CD/DVD size disk and a blue laser. It is not an adaptation of existing tech. The original spec, from day one, included the possibility for as many as eight layers of 25 GB each.

HD-DVD -- 30 GB now and forever.
Blu-Ray -- 50 GB now and 200 GB soon.

If HD-DVD wins over Blu-Ray it will just lessen the time before we all have to move to whatever comes after HD-DVD for higher capacity.
 
Blue Laser

I thought I read somewhere (maybe even here on McRmrs) that they were having trouble w/the blue laser working properly at production level quantity. In any case that would explain the higher cost vs the modified red laser technology of HD-DVD. Having the legroom capacity would be worth the extra couple of $$ to me.
 
As long as theres drivers you could use any aftermarket bluray drive. An inexpensive enclosure kit can make any external drive, internal. I'd imagine the pricing option via apple would exceed $800.

The thing I'd like to know is what kind of specs you would IDEALLY need to edit 1080p (1920x1080) video on the mac. That's a lot of "horsepower" just to display it, let alone edit it.
 
UrsaMajor said:
As long as theres drivers you could use any aftermarket bluray drive. An inexpensive enclosure kit can make any external drive, internal. I'd imagine the pricing option via apple would exceed $800.

The thing I'd like to know is what kind of specs you would IDEALLY need to edit 1080p (1920x1080) video on the mac. That's a lot of "horsepower" just to display it, let alone edit it.
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yeah, you're right. even if apple offers it at NAB, it's gonna be expensive. i think i'm gonna wait until the price is around $100-$200. which will be awhile it looks like. but HD is coming, nonetheless.

yeah, you're gonna need a lot of "horsepower". i've got a 2.66 mac pro....but still, even if i get more RAM, it's gonna bog down my system. maybe when the codecs get better or something?
 
UrsaMajor said:
As long as theres drivers you could use any aftermarket bluray drive. An inexpensive enclosure kit can make any external drive, internal. I'd imagine the pricing option via apple would exceed $800.

The thing I'd like to know is what kind of specs you would IDEALLY need to edit 1080p (1920x1080) video on the mac. That's a lot of "horsepower" just to display it, let alone edit it.
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I would expect it to be much less than $800, considering Fastmac (http://fastmac.com/) already offers a slim (not for MBP 15 or MB though) BR drive for many Apple laptops @$800. Editing compressed 1080p would do fine on a 4 or 8 core MP, assuming you don't need to do multiple streams. Only when you get into uncompressed or very high data rates do you need such 'horsepower'. 1080i will play on the pokey MacMini, with it's lame GPU. 1080p can play on many Mac's right now.
 
Digital Skunk said:
Can we have the option of putting one of each in the machine. There is no reason to have to choose between the formats. The war is over and it is a draw. :D
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A war never ends in a draw it just carries on at a slower pace.
 
NewbieNerd said:
*cough* PS3 for $500? *cough*
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Cough indeed, as in when a doctor asks you to cough during your exam. Sony takes it one step further and has you bend over a table, forcing Blu-ray into you.

Still, HD-DVD players are less costly than PS3s. These days you can get the Toshiba HD-A2 for $400 at Best Buy, including 4 free HD-DVD titles.
 
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