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I think the last thing the OP who seems to have a somewhat limited knowledge of newer macs needs to be doing is trying to install the GM or anything else besides restoring to Snow Leopard.

OP, by your admission....

"I'm not an idiot I'm a woman who knows naff all about computers these days!!
I used to be quite handy on a computer in the 90's but slots changed since then!"

Why are you messing around with beta software? It will be out most likely in the next 7 days. Unless you have a pretty firm grasp on the current generation of Macs and OS X you should not be messing with that stuff.
 
sneil2 said:
Okay SL is now installing!!
Thank you all for your help, I'd have been one very embarrassed lady if I'd have had to go back to store with it!!
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If you really want Lion now, illegally download the GM (iMZDL or TPB) and pay it when it arrives on the Mac App Store. :eek:

Beware for Incompatible apps, though.
 
I've had an iMac and a MacBook for the last 10years so know my way around 'somewhat'!!

I'm just VERY impatient!! lol

Guy in store said as I've just bought mac I don't pay for Lion anyway!!

It was him in the store that put the idea into my head of getting it now through PB!!
 
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sneil2 said:
I've had an iMac and a MacBook for the last 10years so know my way around 'somewhat'!!

I'm just VERY impatient!! lol
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I know what you mean... I paid for the developer account so I could d/load Lion... Although, it is rather a contradiction in terms with me having a developer account.. I couldn't develop a frozen meal in a microwave :)
 
sneil2 said:
Giving this a go now, thanks
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Might as well give you a detailed walkthrough 'cause it seems like you need it :)

Just insert your system discs, press ALT right after turning it on. Select the CD and wait. Then on the utils menu, choose Disk Util, select your hard drive and the erase option and format it as MacOS journaled (should be the first option). Wait, quit Disk Util and go back to the Snow Leopard installer. This should do it for you.

EDIT: glad to see you sorted it out in the meantime.
 
You might want to use disk utility to shrink your partition and make a separate one for Lion ;) (if you've already done this then please disregard my back-seat driving) ;)
 
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sneil2 said:
Okay, got the SL working now!

Just going in for round two with Lion! :p
Fingers crossed!!!
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I certainly hope you mean you will be going for round 2 once Apple has officially released Lion, otherwise you should not be installing it without a developer account. Having just purchased a Mac you are most likely entitled to a free upgrade to Lion but that upgrade needs to come through the app store not through some illicit source you found on the web.

I'll keep my fingers crossed if you hold off until Apple actually release Lion to the public, otherwise I'll happily give you a finger but it won't be crossed.

A bit of a rant I'll admit but piracy is something that really ticks me off.
 
Oooo! Lion is 33% installed!

I can't wait to find my way around a new operating system as well as the new 27" iMac!

Thanks for all the help guys, couldn't have done it without you all!
(even you kiss ar$es!)
 
Let's hope for your sake, that there won't be a GM2 or anything like that. :)
 
sneil2 said:
It's not really piracy when I'm entitled to Lion for 'free' anyway! :p
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It still is, and even if it wasn't I'm assuming you're using a torrent in which case if you are seeding at all then you are helping illegally distribute it to people who may or may not be entitled to download it. But based on your previous experience you really shouldn't be trying to install anything before the retail version.
 
sneil2 said:
It's not really piracy when I'm entitled to Lion for 'free' anyway! :p
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Hm...

If you go to buy a car... and you pay for it.. but they tell you in the car yard that the colour and the configuration you wanted is not available.

Does it give you an excuse to go to a totally different yard and steal one?

:)

Sorry.. poor comparison.. but... its the best one I can come up with..
 
piracy issue aside : I think its a great way to check you are happy with something as radical as a new OS before committing to a full install. Yes you can make backups etc or reinstall older ones if you find an issue; but its a far smoother experience (and thus more likely to encourage legal purchases) when you can try-before-you-buy so to speak.

I don't condone piracy as a rule, but if it helps someone make a choice whilst avoiding unnecessary heartache, wasted time or expense then its not as bad.

I myself have often 'tried' software that did not have an authorised trial mechanism and many of those now have boxes/receipts to match. As for the ones I never purchased? they are no longer installed as I don't use em anyways (or didn't like them).....

I think it comes down to personal morals in these instances and the OP is practising good systems admin skills by trying out the OS before committing her entire system to it.

well done indeed :)
 
costabunny said:
piracy issue aside : I think its a great way to check you are happy with something as radical as a new OS before committing to a full install
[...]
if it helps someone make a choice whilst avoiding unnecessary heartache, wasted time or expense then its not as bad.
[...]
the OP is practising good systems admin skills by trying out the OS before committing her entire system to it.

well done indeed :)
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Have we read the same thread? And by the way, we are talking about unreleased software here.
 
Typswif2fingers said:
Hm...

If you go to buy a car... and you pay for it.. but they tell you in the car yard that the colour and the configuration you wanted is not available.

Does it give you an excuse to go to a totally different yard and steal one?

:)

Sorry.. poor comparison.. but... its the best one I can come up with..
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That's not the same thing at all, the problem with that scenario is that the car is physical. The car costs time and money to produce so the owner loses money, a copy costs nothing to produce, so 'stealing' does not deprive the owner of their property.

The most accurate scenario I can think of is this:

You go in to a store and see a framed painting, you take a picture of it (which is transparent to the original) and put it on your wall, admire it for a few days, then go back to the store and buy it.
 
sneil2 said:
Oooo! Lion is 33% installed!

I can't wait to find my way around a new operating system as well as the new 27" iMac!

Thanks for all the help guys, couldn't have done it without you all!
(even you kiss ar$es!)
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Guess which finger your getting now.

I actually came back to this thread to see if I owed you an apology for speaking my mind to hastily, obviously that's not the case. The reason you don't see it as piracy, or as stealing, is that you do not understand what you are or what you are not entitled to.

You came to this forum saying, "hey guys I need your help. I screwed up my new Mac by doing something you freely admit was wrong. No one faulted you for that, we understood the impatience that lead to a mistake, a mistake that many of us have made in the past. Members of this forum helped you so that you could get your Mac back online again, not so you could go a repeat the same mistake, hoping for better results. I take your actions and your "it's no big deal attitude" as a slap in the face to everyone who helped you out of your situation.

I'm glad your enjoying your make but saddened by the fact you have so little regard for Apple or the members of the form. Thankfully I'm done with my rant and can go back to giving you the finger.
 
AdrianK said:
That's not the same thing at all, the problem with that scenario is that the car is physical. The car costs time and money to produce so the owner loses money, a copy costs nothing to produce, so 'stealing' does not deprive the owner of their property.

The most accurate scenario I can think of is this:

You go in to a store and see a framed painting, you take a picture of it (which is transparent to the original) and put it on your wall, admire it for a few days, then go back to the store and buy it.
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What a load of BS. Whether or not something is physical has no bearing on w it's has value. Are you really arguing that Apple did not invest time and money into developing Lion. Are you arguing that Apple has no right to dictate how their software will be distributed?

If you can't get your head around the car analogy here is another one for you. You want to see the new Harry Potter movie, but rather than paying for a ticket, you download a pirated copy off of a torrent. I guess in your self entitled little world that's also OK because the movie is not a physical thing.

costabunny said:
piracy issue aside : I think its a great way to check you are happy with something as radical as a new OS before committing to a full install. Yes you can make backups etc or reinstall older ones if you find an issue; but its a far smoother experience (and thus more likely to encourage legal purchases) when you can try-before-you-buy so to speak.

I don't condone piracy as a rule, but if it helps someone make a choice whilst avoiding unnecessary heartache, wasted time or expense then its not as bad.

I myself have often 'tried' software that did not have an authorised trial mechanism and many of those now have boxes/receipts to match. As for the ones I never purchased? they are no longer installed as I don't use em anyways (or didn't like them).....

I think it comes down to personal morals in these instances and the OP is practising good systems admin skills by trying out the OS before committing her entire system to it.

well done indeed :)
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How does downloading a pirated copy from a torrent make the process of moving to a new OS any safer. You still need to back up your original OS, unless your a complete fool. The OP was not going to bear any expense by waiting until Lion is officially released so the try before you buy argument doesn't make any sense.

The OP is practicing good system admin skills by installing pre release software? That would be laughable if it wasn't so head up your bum ignorant.

The only thing I agree with you on is that it comes down to personal morals, unfortunately I feel the OP's are sadly lacking.


My appologies to everyone who feels I'm out of line, but this is a public forum. You need to be accountable for the views you express and be willing to stand by those views by calling out crap when you see it.

Edit: Unless Apple uploaded Lion to the torrent it's piracy. The OP freely admitted in here first post that she knew it was wrong to use this approach to get early access to Lion. It was only latter in the thread that she decided her actions were justified.
 
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reputationZed said:
What a load of BS. Whether or not something is physical has no bearing on w it's has value. Are you really arguing that Apple did not invest time and money into developing Lion. Are you arguing that Apple has no right to dictate how their software will be distributed?

If you can't get your head around the car analogy here is another one for you. You want to see the new Harry Potter movie, but rather than paying for a ticket, you download a pirated copy off of a torrent. I guess in your self entitled little world that's also OK because the movie is not a physical thing.
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*facepalm* Congratulations on entirely missing the point of my post.

Whether or not something is physical has no bearing on w it's has value.
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I never said that it didn't, I was just correcting the analogy.

In the car example, 1 car is displaced from the dealer (as it should be) and one car is displaced from elsewhere (the stolen car).

With a download, the seller does not lose a copy that they can sell, so they don't lose anything if you pirate now and buy later when the product is released.

Are you really arguing that Apple did not invest time and money into developing Lion.
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No, I never said this.

Are you arguing that Apple has no right to dictate how their software will be distributed?
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No, I'm just suggesting a more accurate analogy. Take from it what you will... okay, maybe with less artistic license than you currently are.

You want to see the new Harry Potter movie, but rather than paying for a ticket, you download a pirated copy off of a torrent. I guess in your self entitled little world that's also OK because the movie is not a physical thing
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That's taking something and not paying for it. We're talking about pirating something before it's release, then paying for it when it's released. See the difference? Don't pay vs don't pay because the product isn't sold, then pay as soon as it is.
 
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