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aloofman said:
So I've been thinking for a while that I need a soccer/football team to root for. Unlike most Americans, I've enjoyed the sport long past the age of 8, I like watching the World Cup, and the crazy-fan factor helps distinguish it from the other sports I follow (baseball, basketball, hockey, U.S. football, in descending order). In order to really get into it, I'm going to need a team to support, and therefore, other teams to vilify.

In terms of being able to see the games in person, our local MLS affiliate, the Los Angeles Galaxy, is the obvious choice. And I have been to some of their games. (They DO have a very nice new stadium, although even their old stadium, the Rose Bowl, is historic and worth visiting.) But it goes without saying that the MLS lacks experience, tradition, and talent. For someone who wants to raise their enthusiasm and knowledge of the game, MLS is a lame option.

The Premier League is the clear choice for that, so now I have to choose a team. I'm going to start watching more games to get familiar with the teams and players. A recent analysis from an American in a similar situation can be found here. So if you want to see his observations and confirm/refute them, be my guest.

A few factors that matter much more to me than a fan who already lives in England:

1) I have to be able to see the games on TV here. Since only the top 6-8 teams get consistently shown here, that's pretty limiting.

2) I'm not interested in supporting Manchester United. Too much hype. And it would be like someone new to baseball calling me up and saying they want to be a Yankees fan.

3) The team has to have a legitimate shot at finishing in the top five. I don't need to see a championship every year, but I need to have reasonable hope through most of the season. I won't switch teams though. If my team takes a horrible downturn five years from now, that's just the way it goes.

4) The team has to be fun to watch. I'm sure all the partisans will claim that THEIR team is always fun to watch, but most teams know it isn't so. I don't need a lot of goals so much as I want to see scoring chances, an attacking style. (From my early investigations, this seems to make Arsenal a contender.)

5) Because of #3, I'll probably be accused of being a frontrunner, but I'm not especially worried about that. Since I don't have any built-in geographical bias that shaped my loyalties at an early age (the way the Dodgers and Lakers have for me here), I'm not betraying my long-time friends with my choice. And there aren't many American fans of the smaller teams anyway, so I'm not really going to take much face-to-face abuse for it.

All suggestions and twisted rationales are welcome and thanks in advance!

I know you've done it innocently, and you have done it inadvertently, but in that one post you've just about represented yourself as everything that is wrong in football - especially the sentence "The team has to have a legitimate shot at finishing in the top five". Its this kind of attitude that is allowing certain teams to think they're above football and leave the rest of the English leagues going to pot.

Plus points 3 and 4 contradict each other. No one, except the very rich, can afford to go see games of the top five clubs. The atmosphere at those grounds are usually dead as a result. If you want passionate, dedicated fans, you need to reach for some of the lower leagues where there are people who have watched their team through hell and high water, and are absolutely barmy about the club - not just when they're sitting pretty.

*Small club supporter rant over*
 
FleurDuMal said:
If you want passionate, dedicated fans, you need to reach for some of the lower leagues where there are people who have watched their team through hell and high water, and are absolutely barmy about the club – not just when they're sitting pretty.
I agree totally, although in fairness to the OP unless it's top top flight he's not going to be able to see games screened regularly in the US. Some of my favourite football watching memories are from lower league matches. *wipes nostalgic tear*

You've not lived until you've seen your team knocked out of the LDV Vans by Sc*nthorpe on a cold, drizzly Tuesday evening... :D
 
FleurDuMal said:
Its this kind of attitude that is allowing certain teams to think they're above football and leave the rest of the English leagues going to pot.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N152925060717-1330.htm

No one, except the very rich, can afford to go see games of the top five clubs.

Liverpool sell tickets at the highest of £32 where are Chelsea and Arsenal Cost £60 and £54 respectively. You don't have to be "very rich" to afford that twice a month. Certainly the working class fans at liverpool are not all "very rich"


The atmosphere at those grounds are usually dead as a result. If you want passionate, dedicated fans, you need to reach for some of the lower leagues where there are people who have watched their team through hell and high water, and are absolutely barmy about the club

Champions league semi final (Best YNWA I can think of)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=k7rpGd8KxAU&search=ynwa chelsea

Fans that I think might just pass for "dedicated, passionate and barmy about the club"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DOwk2wQgUqM

just a few months ago (most noise old trafford has seen in many a year)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5ano5YFHE&mode=related&search=liverpool fans

Us outsinging benfica fans (frm the benfica end)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8504870603151502529&q=benfica

In the Kop just before/during/after final whistle (at least 100 times louder in real life)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rBWedv2ne_0&mode=related&search=ynwa chelsea

Until you have stood on that kop and sung that.... you aint ****ing lived...

You are so far wide of the mark.

We had OVER one MILLION fans on the streets of liverpool (official police numbers) the night we brought the cup home..... Most dedicated my arse



*Large club supporter rant over*


PS - support arsenal
 
XIII said:
Tottenham you may consider, but I really can't even face that prospect.

I take it that's because Tottenham are major rivals of Arsenal? :p


XIII said:
Arsenal play the most attacking, aesthetically pleasing football in this country (;)), quite largely due to the presence of Thierry Henry. He has gotten the golden boot (most goals) many seasons in a row, and really is amazing to watch. Aside from him, Arsenal are always looking to keep playing good football.. and always will do while Wenger is in charge. He swears by playing the game "as it was meant to be played".. fast, one touch passes etc.

Obviously Henry is a great player. And I find it highly amusing that the best striker in England is a Frenchman. :D But to play devil's advocate here for a moment, he scores a pretty high proportion of their goals, often out of sheer brilliant individual effort. If Henry blows out his knee or something, then where does that leave Arsenal? And even if he's healthy, he won't play there forever. So I won't be choosing a team just because of one player. It will be more permanent than that.
 
stonyc said:
Chelsea to me are like the Bulls of the '90s and the Lakers of the early '00s, and Mourinho is Phil Jackson.

You have the greatest teams money can buy, how good does the coach actually have to be to win titles? I couldn't stand those Bulls or Lakers (well, I am a Pistons fan) and Phil Jackson has to be one of the most overrated coaches in sports history (again, from a Pistons fan perspective).

As a lifelong Lakers fan, I naturally disagree. The NBA has a salary cap, and during the Shaq-Kobe years, they never paid the luxury tax. How could they have bought a title? If you want to argue that Jackson was overrated, you should say that both dynasties were started based on a small number of great front office moves, without which it wouldn't have mattered who coached the team. So there. :D

stonyc said:
For me, both Chelsea and Manchester United are out... Arsenal and Liverpool have more of an underdog quality that I like.

Arsenal and Liverpool are two of the top teams in the league. How does that make them underdogs?
 
®îçhå®? said:
I would agree. The Spurs are also one of the most Britsh teams in the Premiership (although that probably doesn't matter to you), they are becoming a good side under Martin Jol and we develop a good team. 3 teams to avoid like the plague are: Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal. Liverpool is another good choice who tend to finish high aswell.

I'm used to watching teams that are internationally diverse, so no, that doesn't matter to me.
 
aloofman said:
I take it that's because Tottenham are major rivals of Arsenal?
I've heard it said that there is a little bit of rivalry between the two. :D

Spurs and Arsenal have one of the most intense rivalries in English football. One of the bonuses of picking Spurs as your team is you can poke fun at XIII and vice versa. ;)
 
FleurDuMal said:
I know you've done it innocently, and you have done it inadvertently, but in that one post you've just about represented yourself as everything that is wrong in football - especially the sentence "The team has to have a legitimate shot at finishing in the top five". Its this kind of attitude that is allowing certain teams to think they're above football and leave the rest of the English leagues going to pot.

Plus points 3 and 4 contradict each other. No one, except the very rich, can afford to go see games of the top five clubs. The atmosphere at those grounds are usually dead as a result. If you want passionate, dedicated fans, you need to reach for some of the lower leagues where there are people who have watched their team through hell and high water, and are absolutely barmy about the club - not just when they're sitting pretty.

*Small club supporter rant over*

Point well taken. I root for the LA Kings hockey team even though they've never won anything and have rarely come close. They get outspent and outsmarted, but I chose them a long time ago and I'm sticking with them. In recent years a newer local team arrived (which I will not name because it's named after a Disney movie) that has had more success, but I'm sure as hell not going to change teams now.

But as I said, it's harder to find the smaller Premier teams on TV here. Since I'll only very rarely have a chance to attend a game, that's a major issue for me.
 
BakedBeans said:
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N152925060717-1330.htm



Liverpool sell tickets at the highest of £32 where are Chelsea and Arsenal Cost £60 and £54 respectively. You don't have to be "very rich" to afford that twice a month. Certainly the working class fans at liverpool are not all "very rich"




Champions league semi final (Best YNWA I can think of)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=k7rpGd8KxAU&search=ynwa chelsea

Fans that I think might just pass for "dedicated, passionate and barmy about the club"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DOwk2wQgUqM

just a few months ago (most noise old trafford has seen in many a year)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5ano5YFHE&mode=related&search=liverpool fans

Us outsinging benfica fans (frm the benfica end)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8504870603151502529&q=benfica

In the Kop just before/during/after final whistle (at least 100 times louder in real life)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rBWedv2ne_0&mode=related&search=ynwa chelsea

Until you have stood on that kop and sung that.... you aint ****ing lived...

You are so far wide of the mark.

We had OVER one MILLION fans on the streets of liverpool (official police numbers) the night we bought the cup home..... Most dedicated my arse



*Large club supporter rant over*


PS - support arsenal

Alright I've never been to see a Liverpool game, so maybe that's a special case. But I've been to Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal (as well as not so big and/or succesful clubs such as Manchester City, Tottenham and Newcastle) and at none of those games have I seen anything approaching an exciting atmosphere. Most drab. You get a song at the beginning, one whenever you score, and maybe one at the end. Even the players of these clubs have passed comment on it (prawn sandwich, anyone?). And Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal for sure are incredibly expensive places to go. You're surrounded by some petulent, prissy 'supporters' who get on their teams back as soon as anything doesn't go their way (United booing their own team after drawing at home to Sunderland was just pathetic). In fact, if you want to understand why the supporters of lower league clubs sometimes display an amount of contempt to those further up the echeons of the football league, this article has a few choice quotes demonstrating the attitude of superiority and belittling displayed by some that is despised by us: http://football.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1787101,00.html
 
AhmedFaisal said:
Ballack being at ManU makes it tempting but for the life of me I can't support these arrogant pricks.

Ahmed

Do you know much about football then? ;)

You might want to give Chelsea (ballacks club) a ring and tell him he is playing away! I don't think they know about it :p
 
aloofman said:
Arsenal and Liverpool are two of the top teams in the league. How does that make them underdogs?
Because, they don't spend as much money as Man Utd or Chelsea... I think that article put it the best: If Man Utd and Chelsea can be seen as the Yankees of EPL, look at Arsenal as a Boston (pre-most recent Championship) or Liverpool as say, the Braves.
 
stonyc said:
Because, they don't spend as much money as Man Utd or Chelsea... I think that article put it the best: If Man Utd and Chelsea can be seen as the Yankees of EPL, look at Arsenal as a Boston (pre-most recent Championship) or Liverpool as say, the Braves.

Have the 'braves' won the european cup 5 times? have the braves won the league 18 ttimes? are the braves the most successful team in the league. do the braves play the worlds biggest sport.
 
BakedBeans said:
Have the 'braves' won the european cup 5 times? have the braves won the league 18 ttimes? are the braves the most successful team in the league. do the braves play the worlds biggest sport.
Well, it's hard to compare the two leagues when not only do you have the Premiership title, but you have domestic cups, European cups, Champions League, etc.

I was trying to equate their clearly different spending budgets... and if you're familiar with MLB, the Yankees are clearly in a class by themselves... as are Chelsea and Man Utd. Whereas teams like Arsenal, Liverpool, Newcastle, etc. are more in the class of a Boston or Toronto. Still spending quite a bit, but clearly behind the likes of the Yankees.
 
stonyc said:
Well, it's hard to compare the two leagues when not only do you have the Premiership title, but you have domestic cups, European cups, Champions League, etc.

I was trying to equate their clearly different spending budgets... and if you're familiar with MLB, the Yankees are clearly in a class by themselves... as are Chelsea and Man Utd. Whereas teams like Arsenal, Liverpool, Newcastle, etc. are more in the class of a Boston or Toronto. Still spending quite a bit, but clearly behind the likes of the Yankees.

I was talking more of success really but, i sort of see your point.
 
AhmedFaisal said:
American Football, well college is Notre Dame all the way, its my school, what can I say, and pro, well gotta be the 49ers by heart since I love SF but right now I enjoy watching the Patriots.

If you root for ND, you might as well be rooting for Man Utd. Their fans are the most nauseatingly self-entitled college football fans this side of U$C.

I used to be a big Niners fan. Actually, I think I walked by Joe Montana in the street the other day but was too taken aback to say anything to him (besides, he was on the cell). When Steve Young took his last concussion, my interest in American Football effectively ended.

If I were to root for a Premiership team based strictly on the players that stood out to me in the WC, it would probably be Arsenal: Henry, Fabregas, Lehmann, A. Cole, Ljundberg, &c.
 
Not to be harsh but this sounds ***** lame. Support whoever you like! Hmmm, I love watching the Tour but I don't know who to support? Someone please tell me who I should be devoted to!
 
Give me Jim Gannon's Blue and White Army over crappy old Liverpool anyday. European Cup? Pah!! Overrated trophy.

And they talk funny in Merseyside :D
 
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