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It's pretty stupid how they arbitrarily decide what is and is not supported. The 2014 Mac Mini is supported but the MacBook Pros from 2013 and 2014 aren't even though they're on par in the case of the 13" models or vastly superior in the case of the 15" models. Apple needs to do more to live up to their environmental claims instead of just paying lip service.
 
This is what I expected. Haswell machines are being retired and that includes the Mid 2015 iMacs that were being made for a heartbeat....May 2015-Oct 2015. The lone exception is the 2014 Mac Mini which is a Haswell machine but was being sold well into 2018, which makes those owners still fairly new. And of course, the 2013 Mac Pro continues for another year which matches the typical 8 year lifespan for Mac Pros...and I think it will be supported for a number of more years since it was made until 2019.
 
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OK my early 2015 MBP will get Monterey but I suppose it is the last official macOS for that machine. If Apple sticks with its three-year-support-cycle, security updates will be delivered until late 2024. Nine and a half years. That is ok I'd say.
And hey, Windows will still run afterwards :cool:
(Any macOS will also "run" after 2024 but I prefer security updates on a machine that is also used for work...)
 
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Sounds like we'll be needing an M1 MBA to replace the 2013 MBP we use for some processes at work in the not too distant future then, depending on configurator support going forward. 8 years is a pretty good life for that machine and it'll continue to work for the most part after that no matter what
 
I have some sad news for you, sweetie.

You might want to read that list again. I'm just a bit concerned about why the 2014 Mini makes the cut while Late 2013 MacBook Pros don't - it's effectively there same generation Haswell hardware.

I don't think so. I believe you are reading the bottom list which is for Big Sur. Monterey is for 2015 MacBook Pros or later.

Aw man! That sucks. I did not fully read the post. Just assumed the list was a list of all supported.

Time to pass the Trusty rMBP to my parents when the new ones come out :D (They are still using a 2010 White MBP)
 
to be fair.....you can still use it

also, it will get Monterey via the unsupported patching

I'm still running a 2008 mbp on big sur
Oh, I'll still use it for the foreseeable future. It's just that I get a little twinge of discomfort whenever one of my devices stops getting the updates. I once tried to run a later operating system on an old mac mini and I bricked the thing, which was sad.

Anyway, maybe there's a new iMac pro coming in the fall. If not, I can look into whatever idiotically coloured iMac my family thinks is cool if I'm really hard done by.
 
It's pretty stupid how they arbitrarily decide what is and is not supported. The 2014 Mac Mini is supported but the MacBook Pros from 2013 and 2014 aren't even though they're on par in the case of the 13" models or vastly superior in the case of the 15" models. Apple needs to do more to live up to their environmental claims instead of just paying lip service.
Agreed!!
 
The MacBook Air laptops of 2014 are designated “vintage” products by Apple, whereas the Mac Mini computers of the same year are not. Presumably because Apple stopped selling those Mac Mini computers only in 2018, whereas the MacBook Air of 2014 were discontinued in early 2015.

There are ample hints that Apple ties software support to vintage status now, rather than pure technical capability, at least for Macs.
And it's very annoying,,,
 
How is it obsolete? Big Sur'll receive security updates until late 2023.
I only meant by way of new features. I knew this was coming the minute Sidecar wouldn't run a couple years back. Time marches on.
 
I just tossed my 2014 MBP in the trash minutes ago and the trash truck just took it away. Thanks for nothing, Apple.
At least sell it on ebay. I just bought a refurb'd one for my brother.

Apple really should put the series 3 out of its WatchOS update misery and be done with it.
I agree. There's nothing other than price that keeps this thing afloat. Bloating it with new OS versions will just weigh it down to the bottom of the bay.
 
- iMac - Late 2015 and later

Well, ****. That means that my machine is right at the edge of support, so there's a good chance it will lose support next year.

And my work-issued rMBP is done.
I see no reason why Apple would drop the support for older Macs with this OS upgrade tbh.
 
- iMac - Late 2015 and later

Well, ****. That means that my machine is right at the edge of support, so there's a good chance it will lose support next year.

And my work-issued rMBP is done.
Same. Frankly I've been afraid to put Big Sur on my 2014 iMac 5K (i5 base model) for fear it would make it intolerably slow. I'm probably going to replace it with either the new 24" iMac or whatever bigger one they intro hopefully this year.
 
You might want to read that list again. I'm just a bit concerned about why the 2014 Mini makes the cut while Late 2013 MacBook Pros don't - it's effectively there same generation Haswell hardware.
Because it's Apple.
Why did MacBook (Early 2009) make a cut with High Sierra and MacBook Pro (Early 2009) didn't? They had the same hardware.
Answer: Because MacBooks (Early 2009) were widely used in schools.
This is why Windows is better. Longer support.
 
Interesting. While new iOS and iPad OS are compatible with all the same devices as the last version (in fact even two versions behind, iOS 15 supports everything that 13 supported) for the Mac they keep cutting a couple generations even though there's not much new in macOS 12.

Has to be the rush to get rid of Intel machines, right?
 
I'm happy the Late 2013 Mac Pro made the cut. It would have actually been odd if it didn't since Apple is still selling them in the refurbished store in some countries like the UK.

 
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I think the author is jumping the gun a bit unless he can quote a link from Apple. As far as I can tell the device list is taken from a footnote about about a specific feature of Monterey. There is another footnote for a different feature, should he have used that one instead. In reality, I don't think the real list is published, anyway I can't find it
 
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I think the author is jumping the gun a bit unless he can quote a link from Apple. As far as I can tell the device list is taken from a footnote about about a specific feature of Monterey. There is another footnote for a different feature, should he have used that one instead. In reality, I don't think the real list is published, anyway I can't find it
The list is on the Apple website.
 
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I think it's because the Mini 2014 was a current device till 2018. Someone who bought their Mini in September 2018 would have had less than 3 years of useful updates for it (plus 2 further years of security patches thereafter). I would have assumed that Apple would throw the older MacBook Pros of the same generation the same bone but they stopped being sold in 2014/15 which is more like the 6-7 years of useful updates that Apple would prefer to offer.

I guess this is the bit where Apple might start regretting their decision to let the Mac Mini 2014 live on so long, but they can just dish out refurbished M1 Minis if anyone with a 2014 Mini needs a replacement unit before 2023/24. Amazingly, Intel have finally stopped making the Haswell mobile CPUs at some point and the Coffee Lake CPUs from the 2018 Mini are going to be discontinued this year so it's not like Apple can order replacement parts unless they have a pool of new 2018 models stockpiled for a year or two.
Are you confusing vintage with not being able to support an OS? vintage is when parts are no longer available, not being able to support an OS is when the parts don't support key features. No offense to the author, but he grabbed a list of devices that support a feature of Monterey, of which there are 2 footnotes. No where in the text or the footnote say that this is an exclusive list for Monterey support, although some features may not be supported. I hope I'm right, because I support Big Sur just fine, but I am not on the list. We'll see later today I guess
 
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