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Did you update to Sequoia yet? I have a 2018 Mini as well. Not a fan of Sonoma as Safari is worse with websites like facebook. Hoping this release fixes some of that but not hopeful. I just don't want more issues
Not yet… still watching from the sidelines. 🙂

As I only have the one Mac I need it to be firing on all cylinders.
 
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The first Apple processor, the M1, was introduced in November of 2020. That's 50 years ago in computer years. Intel holdouts should be happy that Apple is still supporting them at all.

I bought my £3000 MBP in Jan 2020. I certainly don’t expect it to get new features nearly five years later, but if you are suggesting Apple should be able to just walk away from supporting these devices, you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself some serious questions.

Apple was still selling these devices past the introduction of M1, put simply they are required to support them for a certain amount of time from date of purchase. Not everyone has £3000 to upgrade either. Very small minded post I must say.
 
I bought my £3000 MBP in Jan 2020. I certainly don’t expect it to get new features nearly five years later, but if you are suggesting Apple should be able to just walk away from supporting these devices, you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself some serious questions.

The hardware cost doesn't really factor into the difficulty of maintaining software compatibility.
 
The hardware cost doesn't really factor into the difficulty of maintaining software compatibility.
There is not really any difficulty, Apple is able to maintain support for these devices for a reasonable amount of time if it wishes to do so. That doesn’t mean introducing new features as such, but they should be maintained security update wise at the very least. I’d say five years from date of purchase. As far as I know it is doing that, and longer in some cases.
 
I bought my £3000 MBP in Jan 2020. I certainly don’t expect it to get new features nearly five years later, but if you are suggesting Apple should be able to just walk away from supporting these devices, you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself some serious questions.

Apple was still selling these devices past the introduction of M1, put simply they are required to support them for a certain amount of time from date of purchase. Not everyone has £3000 to upgrade either. Very small minded post I must say.
All the more reason why I only buy base model Macs. I bought my M2 Mini from Apple for $499. If and when they decide to cut it off, it becomes a lot easier to move on.
 
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I bought my £3000 MBP in Jan 2020. I certainly don’t expect it to get new features nearly five years later, but if you are suggesting Apple should be able to just walk away from supporting these devices, you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself some serious questions.

Apple was still selling these devices past the introduction of M1, put simply they are required to support them for a certain amount of time from date of purchase. Not everyone has £3000 to upgrade either. Very small minded post I must say.
"put simply they are required to support them for a certain amount of time from date of purchase." Show me the legislation or law that indicates that. Oh right, there aren't any.

As for being small minded, no one ever accused me of being a genius!
 
"put simply they are required to support them for a certain amount of time from date of purchase." Show me the legislation or law that indicates that. Oh right, there aren't any.

As for being small minded, no one ever accused me of being a genius!
It is already law in the EU. https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/bette...es-and-tablets-to-be-sustainable-ecodesign_en

In terms of the UK it is not as strict, I have used such regulation in the past myself, I purchased a blu ray player from a UK retailer, after a year it would not play any newer movies. I wrote to the store quoting UK consumer law, and they issued be a voucher to get a new player. It is certaintly true that if Apple did what you were suggesting and walked away as soon as they released the M1, they would fall fail of these laws. If you pay for a premium product, there is an expectation it will last.
 
there is no difficulty in maintaining support for older models at all. it is basically a difference in compiling code for them. They also have a very limited amount of hardware. I'd point to the opencore group that gets this stuff working on ancient hardware, mostly by putting back in things apple purposely removed. that does not mean apple needs to provide customer support or guaranteed compatability to older stuff, but they also do not need to force these older workable systems to landfill status. i mean, somehow crappy microsoft can support ancient PCs in the thousands of varieties, but even they see apple geting away with forced obsolesce and have been embracing that model. sucks.

apple is also terrible about bundling things with the OS. Why for example can i not get a safari update for an older ipad that works great for web browsing, but was considered unsupported by apple. it's not like you need advanced neural processing for web browsing.... or imessage for that matter. instead you have e-waste as it wont be secure or have scripting updates...why? well, we know the answer, $$$.

we need to get back to the old paradigm of upgadeability in hardware before we have the equivalent of the plastic trash island in the pacific but with even more dangerous e-waste.

this stuff is like death by a thousand cuts for me as a long time apple user back to the mac plus... support your customers, the good will will give you business in the long run.
 
It is already law in the EU. https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/bette...es-and-tablets-to-be-sustainable-ecodesign_en

In terms of the UK it is not as strict, I have used such regulation in the past myself, I purchased a blu ray player from a UK retailer, after a year it would not play any newer movies. I wrote to the store quoting UK consumer law, and they issued be a voucher to get a new player. It is certaintly true that if Apple did what you were suggesting and walked away as soon as they released the M1, they would fall fail of these laws. If you pay for a premium product, there is an expectation it will last.
"It is certaintly true that if Apple did what you were suggesting and walked away as soon as they released the M1, they would fall fail of these laws." But that's NOT what Apple is doing. Apple supported Intel based macs long after they introduced M1. You'd have to designate a specific amount of time a mfr. is required to support products they no longer make. And no one is doing that.
 
"It is certaintly true that if Apple did what you were suggesting and walked away as soon as they released the M1, they would fall fail of these laws." But that's NOT what Apple is doing. Apple supported Intel based macs long after they introduced M1. You'd have to designate a specific amount of time a mfr. is required to support products they no longer make. And no one is doing that.
As I have already started, yes Apple are doing that. It was you who suggested they shouldn’t. Please stop wasting time. There will be no further response to your posts.
 
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