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Am i the only one that find airdrop Not always reliable. When you transfer let’s say 10GB of video footage it often stalls at some time. Cable is the good always reliable solution.
Many here just charging and airdropping some photos don’t need anything pro.
 
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The port speeds are pretty reasonable. It's the big ProRes files on iPhone 15 Pro/Max that need fast transfer speeds. The majority of the mainstream users just need to charge. USB-C whatever data speed doesn't matter.
While you have a valid point, Apple is just pinching pennies here, and perhaps not even a single penny. Even if the non Pros have a last generation SoC, it can clearly handle TB transfer speeds. Why not just standardize the whole product line with USB3.2?
 
Faster speeds will be nice. Should help in transferring large number of photos to Mac
Won't make a difference if you are connecting directly to your Mac, you will still only get around 50-60MB/s.

On iPads, which have had 10Gbps+ USB-C and now thunderbolt ports for years, the advertised higher transfer speeds only work when connecting directly to external storage devices. If you connect directly to a Mac with a cable it's still abysmally slow.

I would bet my life the new iPhones will work the same way.
 
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Even though the M1 iPad Pro is capable of Thunderbolt 3 speeds, it negotiates a connection to the Mac using USB 3.1 Gen 2 (10 Gbps)
 
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CarPlay for cars that do not support wireless CarPlay or for users who prefer not to deal with the annoying latency of wireless in that situation.
This. I had a frustrating week with my phone and visiting Texas. It was 105° all week and my rental used wireless car play. Charging kept pausing due to the ambient temp and the phone was nearly unusable since it would slow itself down and dim the screen.
 
Nope. FYI, first gen iPad Pros had Lightning ports capable of transferring USB 3.0 speeds. Apple could update the spec to include faster protocols like 3.1. Switching to USB-C isn't the only way to get higher transfer speeds.
Nope. The original poster is right that USB-C can (and already has) achieved speeds that are impossible for Lightning. You are right that lightning could support USB 3.1, but that's the last protocol it could support. Everything above that requires more than the 9 pins (8 pins + ground) that Lightning has.
 
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Am i the only one that find airdrop Not always reliable. When you transfer let’s say 10GB of video footage it often stalls at some time. Cable is the good always reliable solution.
Many here just charging and airdropping some photos don’t need anything pro.
Me too. And this is despite owning no devices older than 2-3 years and using a brand new Wi-Fi router.

It seems that Airdrop will see major improvements in iOS 17 and maybe get reliable for the first time since they introduced it.
 
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I will be sorry to see the lightning connector go, it was superior to USBC in my opinion for the particular job it was being asked to do.

I know type C USB is meant to be rated for many thousands of insertions but in my experience the sockets fail quite frequently. I’ve had 2 Nintendo Switch consoles that both had socket failures and also an iPad Pro. Never had a problem with lightning, it just seems like a physically more robust design and is also a smaller socket size.

That this is being done almost exclusively to comply with new EU rulings that will only stifle innovation is the final kick in the teeth.
 
Airdrop works great for reasonable size 2023 file transfers - - when it is working great. Great usually requires strong consistent WiFi and close proximity to whatever is being transferred to. And even then great will be less than 10 Mbps, which compares to Thunderbolt at 40 Gbps; that is 4000x more bandwidth.

The point I guess is that Airdrop does not always work in a timely fashion for all of us even today. And more importantly, some future usage is very likely to far exceed the 10 Mbps maximum of Airdrop.
It’s completely absurd that anyone is arguing against high speed data transfer via USB-C, as if it’s some sort of scenario where Apple can only do wired or wireless, or USB-C with Thunderbolt or USB-C with 2.0 specs will make data transfers and charging more complicated.

This is only an upgrade, even if it’s not as big for mid-tier iPhones this year.

It’s about having more options, options that Apple already added to iPads Pro and Macs without having to bump up the price the year they made the switch.

This notion that having better specs and more options is unnecessary or will add significantly to production costs and cause price hikes is just false.

You’re arguing against your own best interests and, more importantly, against the interests and finances of the average, mainstream consumer.

Apple orders these I/O components at a scale that next to no other manufacturer does and uses them across hundreds of millions of products.

It’s not that big of a deal.

Just as when moving away from the old 40-pin connector to Lightning, you’ll switch to a USB-C iPhone and gladly forget all about Lightning in a few years as you enjoy faster charging and wired data transfers.
 
Won't make a difference if you are connecting directly to your Mac, you will still only get around 50-60MB/s.

On iPads, which have had 10Gbps+ USB-C and now thunderbolt ports for years, the advertised higher transfer speeds only work when connecting directly to external storage devices. If you connect directly to a Mac with a cable it's still abysmally slow.

I would bet my life the new iPhones will work the same way.
What is the rating of the cable being used?
 
While you have a valid point, Apple is just pinching pennies here, and perhaps not even a single penny. Even if the non Pros have a last generation SoC, it can clearly handle TB transfer speeds. Why not just standardize the whole product line with USB3.2?
Being that Apple makes iPhones for profit, not for fun or giving consumers the best that $799-$1599 can offer in 2023, positioning better than 2.0 speeds as a "Pro" feature is a very easy way to incentivize consumers to spend the $200-$400(depending on 2023 lineup prices) more to go with a Pro iPhone 15 over a mid-tier one.

And even though most consumers might not have a profound need for >2.0 speeds, the thought of spending $799-$1199 on a brand new smartphone in 2023 that somehow still is stuck with key specs that belong in 2012 will, understandably, make the mid-tier iPhones 15 look like a very bad deal to a lot of potential buyers.

In short: Apple needs to maintain annual growth. Letting us get most of what we want in a modern smartphone for $799 is not going to support that goal as well as limiting it to $999+ does.
 
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People said that with Wi-Fi 5. Then Wi-Fi 6. Then Wi-Fi 6E. Now with Wi-Fi 7. New wireless generations take years before getting broad support. And Pros who need to transfer huge video files might not always be at their home, they need fast data transfer on the go. I don’t believe in the slightest that iPhone will go portless with Wi-Fi 7 launch

Naw, the speed difference is truly remarkable this time around. It’s going to be equivalent to having a 10G network, but wireless. WiFi 5 or 6e doesn’t even come close to this speed.


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It would REALLY suck if Pro users who have the port that supports the higher speeds don't ALSO get a cable supporting those speeds.

I mean there is nickle and diming but this is something else. Please Apple. PLEASE don't do this.

It’s not a big deal. If someone needs thunderbolt speeds they can buy that cable.
 
Naw, the speed difference is truly remarkable this time around. It’s going to be equivalent to having a 10G network, but wireless. WiFi 5 or 6e doesn’t even come close to this speed.


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My point remains. il will take years before we see wifi 7 everywhere. even if i buy an expensive wifi 7 router at launch, it is unlikely i will get the same protocol when visiting a friend or going to a café or even in a studio, at least for the first decade. this is not even accounting the reliability issues with wireless and the need for fast data transfer on the go. professionals do not rely on wireless protocols for huge data transfers, and it ill remain like that for the foreseeable future
 
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indeed and very strange...or Apple is thinking going port-less after 4-5 years of usbC iPhones
Well, that will depend on what the EU and other regulators force upon the industry. I'm already waiting for what happens when a new, more efficient, sturdier connector is invented but blocked from use by politicians. And I'm all but positive regulators will find port-less iPhones unfriendly to 'consumers'.
 
That's true, but still 20 year old standard (superseeded by now 10 year old one) on 1000 USD device? Apple really can't do better? Quite shameful.
Just because a standard is 20 years old doesn’t mean it should not be relevant to the latest tech. Besides, newer standard means less time to test and refine, meaning it has higher chance of failure naturally.
how can be wireless charging very inefficient compared with decades of 5W charging?!
yes if we compare todays usbC to wireless, you are right....but wireless is the way, in the car in the furniture in everything 20 years from now
Wireless is the way where it suites the best. Ever wonder why your electricity doesn’t come through a gigantic wireless charger But through carefully laid out cables?
Im sorry, but the world that works around logic of physics 101 are gone...today people are all about convenient and not caring about the environment , only cave men doesnt see, or know this
Glad to see Apple is officially challenging the physics and Mother Nature. Please keep us updated on the progress.
Apple is a business company first...so...unfortunately, port=less is the future...probably 5 or 10 years from now
Somehow portless and being a business is related, as if with all the ports Apple would make far less money or something. Unless you are saying Apple will quadruple portless phone price.
 
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Just because a standard is 20 years old doesn’t mean it should not be relevant to the latest tech. Besides, newer standard means less time to test and refine, meaning it has higher chance of failure naturally.
Sorry, but USB 2.0 is not relevant in 2023. 10 years old USB 3 has been already in production for quite a long time and we're already using it without any problems, there are no unexpected failures with USB 3 compared to USB 2.0... So sorry, but I don't eat that excuse.

USB 2.0 is legacy technology now. You do not use such excuse with optical drives or floppy drives or even HDDs? Do you?

If Apple would still use HDDs in their products, would you still defend it with the same excuse? I.e. it's slow but proven and does not mean it's not relevant?

This is all just money grab, nothing else. Hell, even iPad mini 6th gen got USB 3.1 gen1. How would you explain that?
 
My point remains. il will take years before we see wifi 7 everywhere. even if i buy an expensive wifi 7 router at launch, it is unlikely i will get the same protocol when visiting a friend or going to a café or even in a studio, at least for the first decade. this is not even accounting the reliability issues with wireless and the need for fast data transfer on the go. professionals do not rely on wireless protocols for huge data transfers, and it ill remain like that for the foreseeable future

No, WiFi 7 will hit noticably fast starting at the last quarter of 2024. There’s already several WiFi 7 routers out. And the OnePlus has WiFi 7. Apple isn’t implementing WiFi 7 for the 16 and upcomming Mac’s because they think it will take a decade to catch on.

The advantage I’m speaking of has little to do with internet service on the go, but more to do with local network speeds. Like the connection to local servers and devices.

Being that said, even internet carriers offering 2gb and above service is becoming more popular. But again, the main advantage at the moment is local network speeds.

Also, consumers are not being cheap when it comes to routers anymore. Mesh routers in the range of $150 - $300 is the fastest growing product in the router market.
 
But... but... the environment, the environment! Which seems to be the pinnacle of your argument.
So...we should not do it for convenience, right? @hacky argued environment should be ignored by the EU for convenience which goes against environmental reason for mandating USB-C. Contradictory. See where I'm getting it?

When someone joins a conversation, they generally read the context to prevent making mistakes like this. I suggest you do the same.
 
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No, WiFi 7 will hit noticably fast starting at the last quarter of 2024. There’s already several WiFi 7 routers out. And the OnePlus has WiFi 7. Apple isn’t implementing WiFi 7 for the 16 and upcomming Mac’s because they think it will take a decade to catch on.

The advantage I’m speaking of has little to do with internet service on the go, but more to do with local network speeds. Like the connection to local servers and devices.

Being that said, even internet carriers offering 2gb and above service is becoming more popular. But again, the main advantage at the moment is local network speeds.

Also, consumers are not being cheap when it comes to routers anymore. Mesh routers in the range of $150 - $300 is the fastest growing product in the router market.
Your point doesn’t prove anything. Even with great local network speeds, a pro user will be out of luck to transfer huge files with a portless iPhone the second they step outside their home. Your point about WiFi 7 fast rollout remains to be proved.

And wired protocols have considerable improvements too. By the time WiFi 7 rolls out, Thunderbolt 5 will also be implemented in more recent devices, achieving double the bandwidth of the most wi-fi 7 could achieve with much more reliability. Again, people with heavy files will not rely on a wireless protocol, Thunderbolt still has a considerable edge over any wi-fi generation. I don’t see that changing in the near future.
 
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