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Here's How Fast USB-C Ports Are on iPads and Macs Ahead of iPhone 15
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I agree with your first point. Definitely true that vast majority of users will never use the port for data.
But I believe vast majority of users is using cable charging still. I believe only minority of all users is using wireless charging exclusively.
As for the importance. The point is not how many users need it. The point is - at this price point, premium phone just should not offer 20 years old technology when it's been superseeded 10 years ago with faster (USB) revision. With your point - how many users are using ProRes format? Not many. How many Apple Watch Ultra users are actually using them for diving? Not many. Still Apple advertises this and you want such features in the premium device.
Not pointless at all. Should you ever be travelling our entire city block is down without power over say a week (Texas 2022 anyone), that’ll mean wifi is down - at least on battery powered laptops available you can still sync or transfer data.
Still in 2023 limiting ANY iPhone to 480Mbps USB 2.0 is asinine and insulting to the entire user base. Even mid tier androids have usb 3.2 connections now.
FYI always knew Apple would give TB3/4 40Gbps to the Pros the moment he his site mentioned USB-C port. It only made sense due to ProRaw and ProRES data.
Now if only, as I’ve mentioned months ago, allow on device editing via TB3 in FCP and or sync Lightroom or FCP editing preferences to the iPhone Pro’s … then lookout Song Xperia 1 V4/5 you’ll have a run for your $1400US money.
This is the first thread I have seen on this site where I learned new things, had a healthy debate, & members learned some new insight about one another. Awesome.👍
USB-C and Lightning will probably not have different charging rates as that is limited by how fast the battery can take on the charge. it is not limited by the port.
this article is about the data transfer speeds.
so far the rumors suggest that the Pro phones will get a Thunderbolt port that should be able to do 40gps. The non-pro phone is rumored to get a USB-C port that is limited to 480mbps - USB 2.0 speeds. I do think it is unfortunate that Apple does not appear to be equipping the non-pro phones with a USB-C port capable of USB 3.2 speeds.
In either case, Apple will probably ship them with USB-PD power delivery cables that are primarily setup for charging but that are limited to USB 2.0 speeds for data transfer. Someone with a Pro phone that wants the fast transfer may need to buy a thunderbolt cable.
This makes sense as most users are not using the cables for data transfer and thunderbolt cables are more expensive than regular USB-C cables.
I think thats fair. I'm sure Apple is making the calculations as to cost of upgraded speeds vs average value to consumer. Perhaps if they offered the upgraded speeds as an upsell for the pro/max/ultra/giga/jumbo model, it would quell this debate.
It would most probably confirm that wired data transfer is concern only for a small minority.
However as said before - for me it's just shameful to even offer that old superseeded technology no matter the size of the group that actually uses it.
It's like if Mercedes would sold its premium cars without fog lights. Not many people are probably using them, but at this year you expect them to be standard, especially in premium brand.
It would REALLY suck if Pro users who have the port that supports the higher speeds don't ALSO get a cable supporting those speeds.
I mean there is nickle and diming but this is something else. Please Apple. PLEASE don't do this.
I mean there is nickle and diming but this is something else. Please Apple. PLEASE don't do this.
I use cable even with a wireless charger next to my bed. I just find that in the morning sometimes it didn’t charge because it got bumped. At least if that happens to my watch I can still get a decent charge on it while I get dressed.
And attaching a magsafe charger is only slightly more convenient than plugging in the phone, which charges faster with less energy and heat.
What this data shows me, is that we need an iPhone Air.
Once again this proves the best value iPad is the Air.
Once again this proves the best value iPad is the Air.
Please educate us on this basic knowledge. In worst-case scenario, how many kWh would one consume with wired vs. wireless charging over the course of a year?
Also, how much for a normal-case scenario, with a mix of battery and cord charging. How much efficiency does one lose when charging via batteries.
I'm not questioning your conclusion; we just want to have some ballpark numbers for comparison. How many kWh can be saved in a year, and what is that savings in terms of the total amount of energy an average person consumes in a year. If it really is "Physics 101", those numbers should be easy to produce. TIA.
Repeat your made up stats all you want.
But now they can use the same cable that came with their Macs and iPads interchangeably. No need for 1 proprietary cable that is useless with other devices. Terrible for the environment. Just as a portless iPhone is terrible for the planet.
USB-C finally coming to iPhone is an unmitigated and unassailable win. Too bad Apple took to long to do it to the detriment of everyone.
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Sorry, I don't have kWh on hand. But it all comes to the fact that wired charging efficiency is around 90%, while wireless is somewhere around 70% or less (if not aligned perfectly).
My counter is the cables aren't going anywhere. The Lightning port phones that are being handed down and/or sold are still going to need the cable. Nothing is getting thrown out except the logic in this case.
Besides, it's Apple's doing for not switching when the rest of the line switched 5 plus years ago. There's no other way around this.
And even if they are getting thrown away, cables are a drop in the bucket compared to what humankind does to the planet. Blaming cables is just laughable.
But... but... the environment, the environment! Which seems to be the pinnacle of your argument.
Pick one side of the flawed, nonsensical agenda you've chosen and stick with it. Logic and facts are hard, I know but, you embarrass yourself and continue to do so with caring about the environment on one hand (cables) than crapping on it with the next (wireless charging).
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The fact that they still put USB 2.0 on devices in 2022-3 is absolutely infuriating on principle alone. Even cheapass Android phones have 3.0 or better.
Exactly.
The reason I want USB-C on the iPhone is so I can use the same cable to charge iPhones, Macs, iPads, and hopefully the next AirPods Pro. Even if I have to travel with multiple cables... at least they have the same plugs on both ends. The cables are interchangeable.
But if the iPhone goes portless... it will be using the MagSafe puck.
Which is where we are today with the iPhone using a different cable. I don't want a separate cable just for the iPhone.
Honestly USB 3.1 Gen 1 should be base line for all their products.
The thing is, this is tech. Apps and usages evolve consequent to hardware capability. The fact that you and the 30+ folks who liked on your post consider i/o bandwidth pointless just reflects your lack of ability to see forward to what 40 Gbps i/o might facilitate in the future. Handling of images from pro camera captures is one possible future capability.
The real issue is that this is tech, with apps and usages evolving after hardware capability. Personally my iPhone 14 Pro has always charged only wirelessly; literally has never been plugged in to anything. However I can envision a future with apps taking advantage of heavy wired i/o.
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So much this.Exactly.
The reason I want USB-C on the iPhone is so I can use the same cable to charge iPhones, Macs, iPads, and hopefully the next AirPods Pro. Even if I have to travel with multiple cables... at least they have the same plugs on both ends. The cables are interchangeable.
But if the iPhone goes portless... it will be using the MagSafe puck.
Which is where we are today with the iPhone using a different cable. I don't want a separate cable just for the iPhone.
Ironically in my Apple ecosystem it's currently more comfortable to manage charging of my Android phone, than iPhone.
Imagine this, when traveling I take my MacBook, iPad, Sony noise canceling headphones and MacBook charger... And my Android phone. With just one macbook usb-c charger I'm able to charge all of these device on the go. Not so much with current iPhone or possible portless iPhone in the future...
Wifi6 is good enough. Wifi7 will be even better. Speaking of looking "forward" and "evolving", portless will be the next evolution which makes USB-C pointless for iPhone.
Have you ever tried sync'ing your photos and videos to your Photo Library on you Mac? Extremely painful. I can't wait for the Thunder.