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I’m not in the market for a laptop myself, but I’m looking forward to more performant mini PCs that still can be passively cooled (currently using a 1360P).

Yes.

My CWWK AL-4L N305 (x8 Gracemont) is a real beast; all within a <=20W footprint.

3TB nvme, 48GB Gen5 and 4x1Gb networking.

PROX->Everything (∞)

I'm excited to see what they will then offer when Lunar Lake actually enters the atmosphere ;)
 
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WHO CARES. IT IS ALL THE SAME. IT IS JUST A PROFIT GENERATOR FOR APPLE. WE DO NOT NEED A NEW PHONE EVERY YEAR.
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Just think that we could have dual-booted and run macOS on the iPhone like a breeze, if only they let us. Which they wont of course.
My future with computers is this one :
You carry it in your pocket, and wherever you go, you put it on a base to charge and it expands into macOS on a big screen. It's the future of iPhones IMO. That would put Apple in a unique position against their competitors, because Android can only expand into bigger Android, (or Tizen) not into Windows.

They kind of started doing that with iPadOS.
 
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Can’t do visual intelligence, use the camera button, take advantage of WiFi 7, faster MagSafe charging, dim down to 1 nit or last as long battery wise, but sure buddy whatever helps you feel better about not upgrading this year lol

Wait, the phone now has WiFi 7? That's excellent news — it means WiFi 7 will be available in M4-based computers to be announced imminently through next year. Another reason to buy!
 
You listed all the things I have zero interest in, so thanks for making me feel better about keeping my 13 Pro! 😊

As for this geekbench news, I have never bought or recommended a phone based on geekbench scores, nor even cared about them, and I'm not going to today. Yawn.
I am genuinely curious, what would interest you? We all know that smartphones are a very mature platform, and most years we are likely only going to get iterative improvements.
 
I am also an owner of an iPhone 15 Pro Max and will perhaps buy a 16 Pro Max in a few days, and I wonder if your evaluation "slightly slower" is correct?
Most use cases, you will be hard pressed to notice a difference. That said, things will happen faster, the user experience will be smoother, the phone will use less power and be more efficient, and shouldn’t melt a hole in your pants (as quickly) as the 15 Pro. Modern computers (and smartphones are computers) are all fast. So fast, that year-over-year improvements in CPU performance is difficult to perceive, but it is there, happening in the background, allowing more to be done in the same amount of time while sipping less battery and generating less heat.
 
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Will this make the phone calls shorter or the bills smaller? All this technology put in a small piece of metal is brilliant. However, I am absolutely sure 99% of its owners won’t use all this functionality. Speaking of myself, it’s all the same my iPhone 12 in a newer package. The bigger screen is welcome, as well as the usb-c, though. 4 years down the road I have no need to upgrade which renders all this utterly useless to me. The new iPhone is faster than my mac mini. Blah! I don’t use the full processing power of my mini which dates from 2018.

My point is, so what?
 
Crazy how a phone from 2024 has a faster CPU single and multi than a 6,000 computer from 2019.... (2019 Mac Pro, 8 core)


RIP x86
To be fair, you talk as if x86 CPU manufacturers haven’t released anything 2019, which they obviously have.
 
I do not believe this. You telling me if I connect an iphone 16 to a keyboard + monitor it will be able to render videos and do 3D games like a Mac Pro from 2019?
Are you joking? Have you been hiding under a rock for the last five years?

YES. At least to the extent that you can run the same software, and you're not using the GPU. And you're talking about the model the OP specified (8 core). As for the GPU, I don't know - I don't remember what the base config was for the 2019 GPU, but I expect it still does better than the iPhone, because with GPUs it's all about power, and the desktop has almost two orders of magnitude more power available for the GPU. But this discussion has been about the CPU, not the GPU.

In fact, comparing the iPhone's chip to a 2019 Intel is laughable. Intel isn't shipping ANY CPU AT ANY PRICE, RIGHT NOW, that has single-core performance as fast as the iPhone 16. (I am not counting overclocking, and I am using GB6 as a reasonable stand-in for general compute performance, which is in fact a reasonable thing to do.)
 
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Can’t do visual intelligence, use the camera button, take advantage of WiFi 7, faster MagSafe charging, dim down to 1 nit or last as long battery wise, but sure buddy whatever helps you feel better about not upgrading this year lol
Have you seen the competition? Even a Google pixel has a better display than Apple thats how sad it is to be an iFan😂 the best decision is to buy a non apple phone and finally see what you've been missing out on for decades since Tim Apple joined
 
At least to the extent that you can run the same software, and you're not using the GPU. And you're talking about the model the OP specified (8 core). As for the GPU, I don't know - I don't remember what the base config was for the 2019 GPU, but I expect it still does better than the iPhone, because with GPUs it's all about power, and the desktop has almost two orders of magnitude more power available for the GPU. But this discussion has been about the CPU, not the GPU.
In fact, after a bit of exploration using geekbench... it looks like the A18Pro is in the same ballpark as the baseline GPU of the 2019 Mac Pro - perhaps 10% less powerful. Even with the entry-level 2019 GPU being pretty weak, that's pretty remarkable.
 
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Can’t do visual intelligence, use the camera button, take advantage of WiFi 7, faster MagSafe charging, dim down to 1 nit or last as long battery wise, but sure buddy whatever helps you feel better about not upgrading this year lol
  1. Drop a photo into ChatGPT and you get the same result
  2. The button doesn’t provide a new function, just a different way to do something which already exists
  3. 99% of people don’t have a connection fast enough to take advantage of WiFi 7
  4. Honestly who cares about faster MagSafe charging? It cooks your phone, and the 15 Pro battery life is enough to last a whole day anyway, making fast charging irrelevant
  5. The 15 pro goes to 2 nit, I’m sure you’ll see the 1 nit difference buddy
  6. It’s literally 5% bigger, my 15 PM already lasts 12h SOT
Whatever makes you feel better donating £1200 to Apple for no reason.
 
X86 will die a slow, slow death.
never going to happen.. at least in PC area. we are talking about software which was build in 2 decades to get to the same lvl in arm sector even with all the new tech you need 10 years and there is still advancement in the area of x86. I think it would be more arm will dominate anything has battery and that's it. maybe servers due to lower wattage usage.
 
Funny, my 2020 SE seems to dial my friends at quite acceptable speeds. Same with taking pictures. But yeah, that's all I use the thing for.
SE is the best value for money phone by far. You get a bunch of features for going up in price but it’s just such a big jump!

Buying a used SE will get you 3-5 years of phone and battery switches for the SE are half the price or less of the newer ones.

Repairability is a key feature of the lower end iPhones. If you pay Apple more, you can expect everything else to also cost more from then on.
 
yeahhhh that's not super compelling when you say it like that either.
upgrading every year never is. if people want to upgrade, go for it, it keeps the technology wheels turning. if you're not that person though.... 2-4 years is probably more appropriate to get a decent bang for buck.

pro tip: if your phone is younger than 3 years old and you have better than 90% battery life, you're probably good for a while yet.
 
The A18 Pro rivaling the M1 for multi-core performance basically means they made up for the lack of 2 performance cores with architectural improvements and a better process node. That's pretty impressive (whether you need that kind of performance or not).

With me likely upgrading from a 13 Pro with the A15, basically every metric has a ~50% increase in performance (single core, multi core, GPU, NPU even more) after just 3 years.
 
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