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Interesting to see so much advancement in everything but battery, which is unfortunately constrained by the laws and reality of chemistry and physics.

It won't take long before there are breakthroughs, I saw a program on Battery technology just last week and there are lots of people working on it.
There is one mayor concern, they should be safe, a lot safer than Lithium Ion is now.
It's actually fairly simple why there's so much concern, the bigger the battery is (as in capacity the more energy it holds and could be potentially very dangerous, that's a reason why it takes long, to make them safe.

Wow, technology has gotten better in the last 10 years - thanks to shrinking silicon processes (TSMC, UMC, Intel, Samsung), LCD technology (Sharp, Samsung, LG), Chip design and integration innovation (Samsung, Qualcomm, ARM, Broadcom), and camera technology (Sony).

Nowhere do I see Apple, except taking that technology and putting it in a shiny rectangle. Well, they *do* write the software.

How about a photo showing how the battery got smaller from the 7 to the 8? Progress!


You forgot at least one mayor company which influences reducing size of chips: ASML
 
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Wow, technology has gotten better in the last 10 years - thanks to shrinking silicon processes (TSMC, UMC, Intel, Samsung), LCD technology (Sharp, Samsung, LG), Chip design and integration innovation (Samsung, Qualcomm, ARM, Broadcom), and camera technology (Sony).

Nowhere do I see Apple, except taking that technology and putting it in a shiny rectangle. Well, they *do* write the software.

How about a photo showing how the battery got smaller from the 7 to the 8? Progress!

You are incorrect sir. Apple pushed all those companies to achieve most of those advances. It's been a while now since Apple used off the shelf components, at least for the ones that do make a difference, like screen, camera sensor, etc.

About the battery you are correct: A11 Bionic is so crazily efficient they maintained battery life even with less mAh, in spite of 70% more processing power, crazy right? iPhone X 2 additional hours are thanks to OLED though. You forgot to mention that, right?

Still, I believe hardware is getting so ahead of other manufacturers that the discussion is being turned into this, hardware feats, when the true advantage is in the hardware/software integration which no other company can even dream about.
Any iPhone user who's been a customer for the last 10 years will tell you we don't give a dam about Mhz, Megapixels or mAh. And in the last 4 or 5 years, every person I know who migrated from Android agrees too.
 
Only thing that hasn't changed is the terrible battery life. Can't believe we are still using battery tech that's decades old.

Only because apps eat up most of your battery life. If you're expecting to have a phone that will run for weeks on end, don't use any apps whatsoever and leave your phone on airplane mode all the time...

This "battery life" argument is so...well nevermind
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Vastly. When iOS 2.0 was released, people complained about battery life issues. It wasn't the software itself, it was that there was now an App Store, which made the phone much more useful. The reason for the battery "issue" was that people were now using their phones much more than they had previously.

We see this continue. Each year studies find we're using our phones more and more every day. It's this increase in use that's draining our batteries faster, not the batteries themselves or the software. If you go from using Facebook for 10 minutes per day to the current average of 20 minutes (the current average daily usage), it shouldn't be surprising that battery life may be less.

Thank you! Someone thinking before he speaks! If you keep complaining about the same thing over and over again, come up with a solution then. Challenge accepted?
 
Aside from all the technology incorporated into today's latest generation iPhone, take a second and reflect on how thin these devices really are. Even the iPad, incredibly thin and less than an inch thick. We live in some fascinating times where phones are more powerful, thin and lightweight over computers ten years ago.

And people will always find something to complain about rather than appreciate the tech that has evolved from 10 years ago. People with the "headphone jack" rants wanna keep living under a rock. Do us a favor and stay under that rock.
 
The original iPhone supports EDGE cellular networks, often referred to as 2G. The technology is so outdated that AT&T, which was the exclusive carrier of the device in the United States, doesn't even operate a compatible network anymore.

EDGE was outdated when the original iPhone was released. It was galling that they charged $500+ for a device that couldn't compete with the contemporary 3G data speeds available on a $50 dumbphone.
 
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And the article is also comparing current technology from the latest generation iPhone, which is why I quoted you regarding reference your 3.5 mm Jack comment. My post is just as relevant as yours is, becuase you mentioned one specific feature from an iPhone Generation as did I.

Aside from conflating, you're not interpreting my Post accurately, It's Not just what I find convenient with the AirPods or even Bluetooth for that matter, which wasn't my point. I previously indicated, technology (As a whole) has advanced where we don't need to rely on everything that we used to with the use of wires. Nor am I indicating everybody should have the same preferences either.

Sorry, I genuinely have less idea what you mean than when we started. :D

I made a point, quoting the article, about using wired headphones on the original iPhone compared to the latest models. You responded with a point about using Airpods and not needing wires. Which is fine, but doesn't really apply to the original iPhone (as Airpods require newer iPhones than that, which is all I meant in my response to your reply).

Then you went on to talk about technology advancing (yeah... ?) so we don't need to rely on things we used to... and that's kind of where you lost me, in terms of the relevance to headphones and Airpods. To go all Mr. C (Twin Peaks S3 reference) I wasn't talking about a need to use wired headphones, more about if I want to use them... !

I'm not sure what parts of your argument you think I was conflating? :confused: You responded to my post. I didn't bring up Airpods at all. You have conflated my point into some kind of point about wired vs wireless. *shrugs*

Maybe I'm just being dense after a long day, no offence meant, I just don't really get your point if it's supposed to mean something more than 'well I like Airpods so nurr'. Which is fine. *more shrugs* All the best! :D
 
Only thing that hasn't changed is the terrible battery life. Can't believe we are still using battery tech that's decades old.

Turns out the most basic things are the hardest to do. All these fancy electronic, digital, AI, VR gadgets require the most basic thing, power. Battery technology is advancing at a snail’s pace. You would think the tech giants like Apple, Google, Microsoft, Samsung would pool their resources to start a Manhattan Project style effort to move the needle. Most stuff in the labs are years ,maybe decades away from consumer use.
 
and a deeply recessed 3.5mm headphone jack that was hard to use.

In case people misinterpret this quote (someone may already done so in this thread), larger professional monitors use large base headphone jacks they're standard 3.5mm size but they're too large to fit properly in the jack apple supplied. My Shure headphones were finicky with the first iPhone and now I still use them but via a lightning adapter so Apple almost never really supported them LOL.
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Not on the 2007 iPhone they don't... do they?

The original iPhone had bluetooth. I would be interested to know if someone could try pairing them.
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Only because apps eat up most of your battery life. If you're expecting to have a phone that will run for weeks on end, don't use any apps whatsoever and leave your phone on airplane mode all the time...


Very true. I keep my iPhone in Low Power mode and don't allow any background apps to do anything except fetch mail via the built in application every 30 minutes. My iPhone has incredible battery life. I also only allow notifications from Apple applications. No app ever bugs my home screen causes a vibration or a screen to light up.
 
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Sorry, I genuinely have less idea what you mean that when we started. :D

Maybe I'm just being dense after a long day, no offence meant, I just don't really get your point

This is the Internet, there's no offense taken here. It seems others don't appear to be confused by my post, but regardless, you made one initial comment about the 3.5 mm Jack and I rebuttled it stating how technology has advanced without the use of an adapter. I'm not sure how that's exactly confusing to you and how It branched off from tangents from your initial replies after the fact. More or less, point was and still is, technology has advanced past what your initial comment reference the 3.5 mm Jack and How others perceives it differently with the use of Bluetooth. The AirPods were just an example, but as I indicated to you two different times, it's technology as a whole given us the opportunity to not to rely on wires or an adapter.
 
In case people misinterpret this quote (someone may already done so in this thread), larger professional monitors use large base headphone jacks they're standard 3.5mm size but they're too large to fit properly in the jack apple supplied. My Shure headphones were finicky with the first iPhone and now I still use them but via a lightning adapter so Apple almost never really supported them LOL.

It wasn't just large professional monitors though, there were/are plenty of headphones and earphones that had larger base jacks or thicker cables that meant it was hard or impossible to get them to fit in the socket of the original iPhone. Pretty much any that were slightly thicker/wider than Apple's own earphones, as I recall.
 
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It wasn't just large professional monitors though, there were/are plenty of headphones and earphones that had larger base jacks or thicker cables that meant it was hard or impossible to get them to fit in the socket of the original iPhone. Pretty much any that were slightly thicker/wider than Apple's own earphones, as I recall.

I'm certain you're right. just going off my experience. My Shure SE500s, SE215s and SRH800s don't fit in the original iPhone jack. I ended up getting a dongle to make it work. If I pushed hard enough, some of my earphones would work.

The Etymotics at the time in the $150 price range had a smaller plug and a lot of headphone makers did adapt to the iPhone size.

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which at the time this was upsetting because the iPod jacks were flush with the case so no issue with larger plugs.

These days I exclusively consume music on my iPod Classic using monitors so this is no longer an issue. AirPods are great for watching videos on my Mac or AppleTV while the GF is sleeping and I don't want to crank our TV up but I don't consume music on the iPhone so the lack of headphone jack isn't a huge deal. When it can hold my entire music library + apps + photos + 4K video, I'll consider ditching the iPod Classic 250GB.
 
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It makes it pretty clear how advanced the original iPhone was when it was released.

It was actually far behind windows phones of the time

EXCEPT

It had capacitive touch screen and pinch to zoom.

Resistive screens on Windows phones were terrible.

All Microsoft had to do was add capacitive screen and pinch zoom and they would have pounded iPhone into the dirt.

Instead they gave thousands of Windows Mobile developers the finger and ditched the OS. The developers, including myself, never came back when they released the new platform.

Microsoft told developers to buzz off, then were surprised when no one would rewrite their software for the new platform.
 
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And the point I'm making is people need to stop thinking that Apple invented, designed, developed, and fabricated the LCD display, CPU, camera, touch screen, GPS, etc. Brilliant engineers all over the world did that. That is *real* engineering. Steve Jobs yelling at a developer or bullying suppliers into exclusive, cheap cost deals, hoarding DRAM and locking out other buyers, and hiring slave labor in China is more of what Apple is about. It's capitalism. It's business.

This romanticization of Apple as the do-gooder, the benevolent creator of your coveted devices is getting out of hand.
I think you underestimate what the iPhone did to the world of cellphones. It singlehandedly destroyed all competition and set that standard for the hardware and software. 10 years later nothing has changed. The iPhone was the sum of all the parts you reference but it is a hell of a lot more, and it was all thanks to Steve. Steve was a genius, a visionary so far out there that you aren't even worthy to speak his name. What he drove was real engineering in system design and software product.
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Since this site and it’s members are obviously annoying the hell out of you, why are you here? Easy trolling or easy cash?

I wouldn't class it as trolling so much as not understanding what the iPhone actually did to the cellphone industry. As I say, Steve is a genius. He is to technology what the Beatles and Elvis are to music[*].

[*] To anybody reading this comment, if your mom bought your iPhone then you likely need to google "Elvis" or "beatles" (not beetles) to educate yourself.
 
Aside from all the technology incorporated into today's latest generation iPhone, take a second and reflect on how thin these devices really are. Even the iPad, incredibly thin and less than an inch thick. We live in some fascinating times where phones are more powerful, thin and lightweight over computers ten years ago.

And humans use them for selfies.

Fascinating times indeed.
 
How it looks isn't as important as future proofing the device with sufficient DRAM, quality battery size, etc. so it doesn't slow down after a few iOS updates and prematurely shut down from degraded battery.

I can't speak for the Samsung line or the Pixel but the Android phones I had didn't survive many OS updates at all. Usually I couldn't even install an update if the phone wasn't capable of running it, which sounds good but that really only meant 3 updates at the most. At the end of my Android experience there were so many 'flavors' of the Android OS that I would hear of a feature I thought was cool and find that OS wasn't available for my phone anyway. I had a 4s until I got my current 6 plus, and my wife still has a 5. My OS is 11, her phone is stuck (now) on 10. I wouldn't describe her phone as having blazing speed but it doesn't take forever to do things, although compared to a newer phone it seems like it, and until OS 11 she was mostly able to download & use new apps. I don't know if a similar aged Android to my wifes iPhone 5 could still download a new OS but I think 6 years of being able to run each successive iPhone OS is pretty good.
 
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And the point I'm making is people need to stop thinking that Apple invented, designed, developed, and fabricated the LCD display, CPU, camera, touch screen, GPS, etc. Brilliant engineers all over the world did that. That is *real* engineering. Steve Jobs yelling at a developer or bullying suppliers into exclusive, cheap cost deals, hoarding DRAM and locking out other buyers, and hiring slave labor in China is more of what Apple is about. It's capitalism. It's business.

This romanticization of Apple as the do-gooder, the benevolent creator of your coveted devices is getting out of hand.

Ordinarily, I'd say "hey, right, how come nobody noticed that".

On the other hand, you're on MacRumors.
"Apple as the benevolent creator of coveted devices" -- possibly, a former benevolent creator, now fallen like Lucifer, -- is the whole premise in here.

Do you have any friends who play role-playing games?
You don't burst into their meetings pointing out that they're not actually elves and druids.
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Your pushback on that is astounding given the W1 & W2, the timer coalescing chip they made for the iMac 5k (truly an apple invention to solve a problem the standards didn't have an answer for) and new iPads, their completely in house designed GPU, the custom designed Image Signal Processor they've integrated into their A-Series chips, their pioneering of an HTTP streaming protocol that they designed and pushed for inclusion at the standards bodies, etc.

Well, that's just good, solid engineering.

In the days of yore other manufacturers made their own silicon, most notably IBM (who also made their own disk drives and just about everything else that went into their PCs until the early 2000s).
 
This is the Internet, there's no offense taken here. It seems others don't appear to be confused by my post, but regardless, you made one initial comment about the 3.5 mm Jack and I rebuttled it stating how technology has advanced without the use of an adapter. I'm not sure how that's exactly confusing to you and how It branched off from tangents from your initial replies after the fact. More or less, point was and still is, technology has advanced past what your initial comment reference the 3.5 mm Jack and How others perceives it differently with the use of Bluetooth. The AirPods were just an example, but as I indicated to you two different times, it's technology as a whole given us the opportunity to not to rely on wires or an adapter.

OK :)

I agree it's great there is the opportunity to not have to rely upon using wired solutions if that's what one wants, and are prepared to accept the accompanying disadvantages.

It doesn't stop me finding it funny that wired headphones could be tricky to use on an iPhone in 2007, then really easy afterwards, then difficult again more recently, which was all I was saying. :)
 
He also liked the 4 / 4s, took on qualities of older Leica cameras. Considering they are usually working on devices 2-3 years out, I am sure he approved the 5 / 5s, and quite possibly the design of the 6, which we still have today in many ways.

The 3S was very comfortable to hold and I always remember him making a point of this. But your right no doubt completely approved of future iterations too.
 
As I say, Steve is a genius. He is to technology what the Beatles and Elvis are to music

I find that a fantastically accurate picture - but also rather damning for Steve Jobs, being that Elvis is a central figure of pop culture and a rather irrelevant one for music.

Before you think I'm trolling, please notice that no Presley compositions are part of any conservatory's curriculum, nor are they played by kids in music school recitals, nor did any of them rise to the status of jazz standard.

The impact of Elvis is measured by the countless Elvis impersonators around today and by the continuing popularity of his persona and his recorded performances.
 
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Well, that's just good, solid engineering.

In the days of yore other manufacturers made their own silicon, most notably IBM (who also made their own disk drives and just about everything else that went into their PCs until the early 2000s).
Please be careful with your wording here. Apple designs many aspects of the phone itself, even down to the manufacturing process that is going to be used. Then they work with their actual manufacturer, going so far as to purchase and install its own equipment in the manufacturer's factory, to make sure everything is produced exactly as it should be.Apple itself does not manufacture anything at scale. They do have small production run capabilities to develop components and the manufacturing process internally, but they work with their actual supplier to implement those processes.

This does not pertain to everything in an iPhone, not by a longshot, but it stands true for many of the key differentiators Apple has that I've listed before.
 
It's amazing - now they only need a few chips to do what the old phones needed dozens.
 
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