Here's the Latest on Next-Generation CarPlay After Missed 2024 Launch

[CarAnalogy]

This makes no sense. Nearly every manufacturer adopted the past CarPlay despite Apple's "arrogance".

In the past CarPlay was only about infotainment, at a time when the car makers didn’t feel like they had a better system of their own.

Now the car makers care a lot more about harvesting user data, have passable systems of their own, and this time Apple wants control of all the screens.

Its Apple’s arrogance, but it’s also that arrogance meeting the immovable object of the entrenched car industry.

 

[Iconoclysm]

I think this is DOA. I cannot see OEM autos giving Apple control of their dashboards / user experience / car controls. Safety would be first reason, but the second a more likely would be the data they could harvest ahead of the OEM’s. I know Apple is good with privacy, but it’s more the OEM’s would probably like it themselves. Look at how long it’s taken the Apple Car Key to gain any traction. They don’t want to cede any areas of their business to Apple even if the user experience gets improved by doing so.

Apple does not gain control of any of that, the manufacturer designs those dashboards using CarPlay and maintains control of that when in use. Incidentally, cars that adopted Car Key are likely to be adopting this.

 

[Mega ST]

Consistency for one. Nearly every car handles CarPlay differently. Right now, you start the car, you wait for the phone to connect, then you have CarPlay. CarPlay 2.0 will have already connected before you even start the car, and will work without the phone for many functions.

Our phones are auto connected right away. No need to wait or do something. We can see our battery status on the big screen.

 

[Iconoclysm]

In the past CarPlay was only about infotainment, at a time when the car makers didn’t feel like they had a better system of their own.

Now the car makers care a lot more about harvesting user data, have passable systems of their own, and this time Apple wants control of all the screens.

Its Apple’s arrogance, but it’s also that arrogance meeting the immovable object of the entrenched car industry.

The car makers didn't have a better system, and they still don't. Curating their own app stores and losing the ability for a user to roam from one car to another with their settings is not going to be pretty.

GM cares about harvesting user data...many of them are still focused on providing a better experience, not making their market cap larger for shareholders.

Again with the arrogance, there's nothing here that is arrogant. This is some serious projection.

 

[ChrisA]

Apple said the first vehicles with next-generation CarPlay would arrive in 2024. It didn't happen.

This has to compete with "Android Automotive". Note that "Android Automotive' is NOT THE SAME as "Android Auto".

For years cars came with both Carplay and Android Auto and the the customer could run either just by clicking an icon. But now it is different. Android Atomovie runs on the car's computer and replaces the phone.

Here is the "Apple killer" feature: Android Automotive is "Open Source". Anyone can modify it. You can read the code and make changes. Apple will have a hard time competing with that. The other "killer feature" is that "Automotive" is real, not vaporware (yes the source code is real https://source.android.com/docs/setup/download)

I think Apple needs to completely re-think how they distribute their product because Google is giving the car companies exactly what they want, control over the user experience at a very fine level of detail.

You can read more here: https://source.android.com/docs/automotive/start/what_automotive

 

[spazzcat]

This is one of those things you can rush. A bug in your phone no one dies, but in a system like this can lead to accidents. When it ready it will be released.

 

[sherwinzadeh]

Maybe it'd be better as a "carOS" which would run without an iPhone.

 

[avkills]

Too bad OpenCar never took off; having muddled with it a bit, it would have been possible to write your own widgets.

Car manufacturers do not want 3rd parties interfacing with the telemetry data; is what what I take from it.

 

[spazzcat]

This has to compete with "Android Automotive". Note that "Android Automotive' is NOT THE SAME as "Android Auto".

For years cars came with both Carplay and Android Auto and the the customer could run either just by clicking an icon. But now it is different. Android Atomovie runs on the car's computer and replaces the phone.

Here is the "Apple killer" feature: Android Automotive is "Open Source". Anyone can modify it. You can read the code and make changes. Apple will have a hard time competing with that. The other "killer feature" is that "Automotive" is real, not vaporware (yes the source code is real https://source.android.com/docs/setup/download)

I think Apple needs to completely re-think how they distribute their product because Google is giving the car companies exactly what they want, control over the user experience at a very fine level of detail.

You can read more here: https://source.android.com/docs/automotive/start/what_automotive

How many auto makers are using Android Automotive?

 

[npmacuser5]

The average driver spends 55 minutes in their vehicle a day and equates to 14 days a year. Want all this, do not complain about the cost of the vehicle and the insurance.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Our phones are auto connected right away. No need to wait or do something. We can see our battery status on the big screen.

That's not true, your phone is not auto connected right away. Unless your definition of right away is not the actual definition of right away.

 

[alchemistmuffin]

Due to Apple's reluctance to comment on future plans, we do not know if next-generation CarPlay is still happening. Hopefully, Apple will finally provide an update about next-generation CarPlay soon to set the record straight.

Sigh…..

Again, I repeat, from industrial rumors, ITS STILL HAPPENING!!!!!!

It’s just pushed back so they could integrate Apple Intelligence more closely to work together with the car.

New deadline is 2025.

 

[Mega ST]

That's not true, your phone is not auto connected right away. Unless your definition of right away is not the actual definition of right away.

I don't do anything, start the car and it is there. What is not true?

 

[Joe Rossignol]

What is the obsession with this?
Apple does not release cars, it’s the car manufacturer that does this.
And the car manufacturers have way longer design cycles than electronics …

All it would take is for Apple to break its silence and us bloggers wouldn't obsess over it as much.

Instead, Apple remains completely silent and keeps the 2024 timeframe stated on its website.

 

[9081094]

Another project dead on arrival as Siri is braindead.

 

[arthurgd3]

How much flexibility do automakers have in this version of CarPlay that compares to say Android Automotive where they are able to modify aspects of it to suit their own brand's software design language as well as add in their own tailored services that they can monetize. If Apple is selling one SKU for lack of a better term and there is no ability for the OEM to add there own services or modify the UI then most OEM's wouldn't be interested in this.

 

[Oscar_440]

Tim, please, leave the company ASAP

 

[9081094]

Apple wont say anything and then BOOM - it will happen.

I’m waiting for that BOOM for years now 😅

 

[guzhogi]

Maybe I'm old, but I really like "dumb" appliances. With monitors, I don't need to watch TV shows on them. I just want to connect my computer or AppleTV. I hate to see what would happen to a car if the software on my phone crashes. Would the speed and other gauges work properly? Can I switch to another system should it go wrong?

 

[Orizaba]

It seemed to me that Apple's support for CarPlay was to test the waters and learn about vehicle interface for its rumored car. Now that the rumor mill indicates that Apple has scrapped its car project, I wouldn't be suprised if Apple pulled back its ambitious plans for future CarPlay features.

 

[DblHelix]

Since this uses CAN signals I wonder if any chance of doing like comma ai and intercepting and replacing these signals to get it to work with a car that wasn’t designed to use it.

 

[jz0309]

All it would take is for Apple to break its silence and us bloggers wouldn't obsess over it as much.

Instead, Apple remains completely silent and keeps the 2024 timeframe stated on its website.

Yes, that would be nice indeed.
Do you think Apple might have NDAs in place with car manufacturers that prohibit them from disclosing details about CarPlay? Similar to iPhone component suppliers?

 

[DblHelix]

Who asked for this exactly and how/why is it supposed to be better than current CarPlay? They just improve the current implementation of CarPlay and add support for multiple screens (center console and drivers information display or additional screens if needed).

The biggest improvement I can see is any car you use could be themed to look and operate identically removing the learning curve for using features when you buy a new car or in rentals that support it.

 

[CarAnalogy]

The car makers didn't have a better system, and they still don't. Curating their own app stores and losing the ability for a user to roam from one car to another with their settings is not going to be pretty.

GM cares about harvesting user data...many of them are still focused on providing a better experience, not making their market cap larger for shareholders.

Again with the arrogance, there's nothing here that is arrogant. This is some serious projection.

I agree they don't, but they think they have one good enough users will tolerate it for the real purpose of harvesting their data.

Maybe arrogance isn't exactly the right word, but the above behavior doesn't really seem to befit the word humility.

To be clear I'm talking just as much about the car makers as Apple if not moreso.

Apple wants to do to cars what the iPhone did to phones, or actually kind of more what Android did to phones.

It won't matter to the software user to makes the hardware, as software continues to eat the world.

So Apple's arrogance is that they can take over the software of all the car makers and that the car makers will allow that to happen.

Again arrogance may not be the right word, but seems like kind of a rock and hard place situation.

 

[surferfb]

Tim, please, leave the company ASAP

The hate Time Cook gets on MacRumors is mind boggling. It's insane how one of the greatest CEOs in corporate history is constantly vilified, in many cases for making decisions Steve would have made had he not been taken from us too soon. And people talk about him like he's single-handling destroying Apple because all he cares about is money (which couldn't be further from the truth).

I know a lot of it is only because he isn't Steve, but it's still crazy. He's constantly name called, accused of being a money-hungry suit who doesn't care about anything other than profit, hates Apple's customers, releases products to stroke his own ego, etc. Looney Toons stuff.

I will say this is the sort of situation Steve would be good at solving, because I highly suspect the issue isn't that CarPlay 2.0 isn't ready, it's that automative manufacturers don't want to play ball. Steve was good at things like that.