I'm sure the complainers in this thread will still complain and blame Apple. Fact is, Adobe could never get their act together when it came to creating a version of Flash that wasn't a resource hog. Now they're going to just give up.
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Hey Apple...Adobe has learned its lesson! We want Flash
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Yes I agree, but flexengineer must be rolling over in his banned world. He has got to be worried being that he is the worlds best flash developer and now his bread and butter is disappearing. LOL.
I had Flash on my Android phones and I hated it. I almost never used it. It was so slow and buggy and killed the battery. I would much rather use HTML 5. I don't want that on my phone. In fact on Android's I usually turned it off when I got it.
The point of the thread wasn't really about wanting flash per se, more like wanting Apple and Adobe to find a way forward for the sake their customers, many of which they share.
That being said, Apple is great at betting on future technologies and they put their chips on the HTML5 square and won. Adobe had the opportunity to prove that flash could be made to work broadly on mobile devices. They failed to do so.
As a customer of both Apple and Adobe, I'm glad this fight is over. I simply want to go to a web page and be able to use it without some silly plugin stop sign.
I used flash on my SGS2. It ran so smooth. No crashes. Only thing I didn't like was that it really killed the battery.
that's still not gonna happen for a good long while... at least not until Adobe fully commits and begins to wind down development of Flash for desktops as well.
Clearly the writing is on the wall. As desktop shipments decrease while tablet and smart phones shipments increase it is only a matter of time. I'll give flash 18 months.
No.
Let's keep this open for people who are about to start a new thread regarding what is being discussed here
how long till all those sites with video get converted to HTML5?
it's a big investment but then if they don't move to HTML5 they lose viewers.
However when I use the HTML5 version of videos on my MBP it stutters a lot. Not sure if this is because the player sucks or because the websites have less bandwith for HTML5 because it's not so popular yet.
Does anybody know if the 750 people that Adobe laid off were flash developers?
Also, what does this mean for all the people who make a living in designing Flash websites? They better learn quickly new skills.
As glad as I am that flash will die soon I feel for the people losing their jobs.......
it's a big investment but then if they don't move to HTML5 they lose viewers.
However when I use the HTML5 version of videos on my MBP it stutters a lot. Not sure if this is because the player sucks or because the websites have less bandwith for HTML5 because it's not so popular yet.
Does anybody know if the 750 people that Adobe laid off were flash developers?
Also, what does this mean for all the people who make a living in designing Flash websites? They better learn quickly new skills.
As glad as I am that flash will die soon I feel for the people losing their jobs.......
That's odd. They play just as well as local Quicktime videos for me (Early 2009 MBP).
this one works fine as flash but is choppy as HTML5 (i have click to flash and it offers only HTML5 when activated)
http://news.climbing.de/video-fred-nicole-my-own-way/
"New open standards created in the mobile era, such as HTML5, will win on mobile devices (and PCs too). Perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great HTML5 tools for the future, and less on criticizing Apple for leaving the past behind."
Quote from "Thoughts on Flash", written by...
Steve Jobs
April, 2010
Quote from "Thoughts on Flash", written by...
Steve Jobs
April, 2010
Hate Flash.
Most websites use Flash in a most useless manner.
Putting up some Flash enabled splash screen which serves no purpose other than to annoy the customer.
It also takes up a ton of resource and has lots of security issues.
Die, Adobe Flash.
Most websites use Flash in a most useless manner.
Putting up some Flash enabled splash screen which serves no purpose other than to annoy the customer.
It also takes up a ton of resource and has lots of security issues.
Die, Adobe Flash.
Sorry folks: Apple 1 Adobe 0:
Adobe product manager fingers Apple for death of Flash Player for mobile
From Adobe:
"This one should be pretty apparent, but given the fragmentation of the mobile market, and the fact that one of the leading mobile platforms (Apple’s iOS) was not going to allow the Flash Player in the browser, the Flash Player was not on track to reach anywhere near the ubiquity of the Flash Player on desktops," Chambers said.
Apple's App Store was also partly to blame for mobile Flash's demise, according to the post, as mobile users are much more likely to look to applications than the web for rich content. Chambers cited differences in screen sizes, resolution and interaction models; slower and higher latency network connections; tight integration between apps and operating systems and tight integration between mobile app stores and operating systems as the reasons.
"The mobile platforms make it very easy to discover new content and applications by providing tight integration between the app stores (Apple App Store, Android Marketplace, etc..) and the mobile operating system, he said. "In general, users do not look to the web on mobile devices for finding and consuming rich content (such as games and applications)."
Chambers also admitted that Flash Player for mobile browsers had required "much more resources" than originally anticipated. Whereas Adobe can usually work within "well defined plugin APIs" on the desktop, the company found it had to work with numerous mobile operating system vendors, hardware device manufacturers and component manufacturers in order to develop mobile Flash.
"For each new device, browser and operating system released, the resources required to develop, test and maintain the Flash Player also increases. This is something that we realized is simply not scalable or sustainable," he wrote.
Conclusion: Android fragmentation, Apple's stance on flash, and the end user's preference for apps as opposed to using the mobile browser all contributed to it's demise.
Time to move on. This is a dead topic.
Adobe product manager fingers Apple for death of Flash Player for mobile
From Adobe:
"This one should be pretty apparent, but given the fragmentation of the mobile market, and the fact that one of the leading mobile platforms (Apple’s iOS) was not going to allow the Flash Player in the browser, the Flash Player was not on track to reach anywhere near the ubiquity of the Flash Player on desktops," Chambers said.
Apple's App Store was also partly to blame for mobile Flash's demise, according to the post, as mobile users are much more likely to look to applications than the web for rich content. Chambers cited differences in screen sizes, resolution and interaction models; slower and higher latency network connections; tight integration between apps and operating systems and tight integration between mobile app stores and operating systems as the reasons.
"The mobile platforms make it very easy to discover new content and applications by providing tight integration between the app stores (Apple App Store, Android Marketplace, etc..) and the mobile operating system, he said. "In general, users do not look to the web on mobile devices for finding and consuming rich content (such as games and applications)."
Chambers also admitted that Flash Player for mobile browsers had required "much more resources" than originally anticipated. Whereas Adobe can usually work within "well defined plugin APIs" on the desktop, the company found it had to work with numerous mobile operating system vendors, hardware device manufacturers and component manufacturers in order to develop mobile Flash.
"For each new device, browser and operating system released, the resources required to develop, test and maintain the Flash Player also increases. This is something that we realized is simply not scalable or sustainable," he wrote.
Conclusion: Android fragmentation, Apple's stance on flash, and the end user's preference for apps as opposed to using the mobile browser all contributed to it's demise.
Time to move on. This is a dead topic.
