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What's with the feature fragmentation? Started out as software but now creeping into hardware. Just make it in different sizes with the same features.
 
What's with the feature fragmentation? Started out as software but now creeping into hardware. Just make it in different sizes with the same features.

But what do you want?
We are running at a tech wall.
Some features just can' t fit the tight space.
Other new features are new tech and can' t be produced in the big numbers , they would not be able to get enough parts for all iPhones , demand will surpass supply.
So Apple can do 2 things :
-release iPhone 7/+ that all have lower specs.
-release multiple types of iPhones with a difference in specs, but one type with higher specs, more internal room for the new tech, which is more expensive, demand will be less, so supply will be able to keep up.

You cannot cram , for instance, a a9x in a 4.7 inch iPhone , and not a 2560x1440 display with good battery life yet, you can' t cram a dual lens/sensor in a 4.7 inch phone yet.
It actually is good for innovation, and implementing new features in the OS/apps, so when the smaller iPhones get the new features in the next generation, they are ready to go.
 
... whatever a "phone OS" is :confused:


No, me not.
Apple is just responding to whiners asking for "choices" for many years.
But they still have a coherent lineup.

Pretty sure you're in the minority if you don't think the iPhone line is fragmented now
 
Pretty sure you're in the minority if you don't think the iPhone line is fragmented now

Android fragmentation has to do with the mix of 9 different versions of the operating system installed on the billion+ Android phones out in the world today.

So what exactly is iPhone fragmentation?

You mention three screen sizes... but they HAD to offer those. Agreed? One size cannot fit all.

Is it really an upgraded camera system on one particular model? Something that might only appeal to a small percentage of buyers anyway?

Here's my take: what you call a "fragmented" product line... I call a "complete" product line. Apple is a mainstream smartphone OEM now. Lots of customers to appeal to. Over 200 million units a year.

It's not as easy as you think.

You might say "put the dual-camera system in the 4.7" and 4" iPhone too"

Well they can't... because physics.

So should they not offer it at all?
 
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Android fragmentation has to do with the mix of 9 different versions of the operating system installed on the billion+ Android phones out in the world today.

So what exactly is iPhone fragmentation?

You mention three screen sizes... but they HAD to offer those. Agreed? One size cannot fit all.

Is it really an upgraded camera system on one particular model? Something that might only appeal to a small percentage of buyers anyway?

Here's my take: what you call a "fragmented" product line... I call a "complete" product line. Apple is a mainstream smartphone OEM now. Lots of customers to appeal to. Over 200 million units a year.

It's not as easy as you think.

You might say "put the dual-camera system in the 4.7" and 4" iPhone too"

Well they can't... because physics.

So should they not offer it at all?

I'm not making any assumptions. I also think the iPhone product line is fragmented. You can disagree, of course.
 
I'm not making any assumptions. I also think the iPhone product line is fragmented. You can disagree, of course.

I might want to agree with you... but you haven't given any credible examples.

You mentioned screen sizes... but that's actually necessary to have a complete product line. And you mentioned some features available on certain models and not on others. Well... that's also something that happens in a complete product line. There are base-line products... and upgraded products. The higher-end products tend to get more features than the lower-end or older products.

So those examples aren't strong enough to support your case... we gonna need more.
 
At some point, too much choice isn't too good. I don't like the fact that the 4.7" iPhone 6/6S don't have OIS. That shouldn't be a determining factor for camera enthusiasts or tech fans. Sure, I can tell Average Joe that their 6S doesn't have OIS and they won't care, but it makes little sense to make that an exclusive for a bigger phone. Would Steve allow this much potential fragmentation? Doubt it.
 
At some point, too much choice isn't too good. I don't like the fact that the 4.7" iPhone 6/6S don't have OIS. That shouldn't be a determining factor for camera enthusiasts or tech fans. Sure, I can tell Average Joe that their 6S doesn't have OIS and they won't care, but it makes little sense to make that an exclusive for a bigger phone. Would Steve allow this much potential fragmentation? Doubt it.
Steve is dead. Gotta love the "what would Steve do".
 
I like bigger screens, but I hate the dimensions of the iPhone 6s+.
If Apple would release a 5.0/5.2 inch iPhone 7+ I would be all over it.

So:
4.5-4.7 iPhone 7
5.0-5.2 iPhone 7+
5.5-5.8 iPhone 7 pro

Please! With adding the pro, a third model, Apple has an opportunity to squeeze in another size. Which would be perfect for me. I really don' t like the current big iPhone 6s+, while the regular 6s is just a little too small for me.

It is the opportunity for Apple to raise asp.
Make the regular iPhone 7 a tad smaller, and the plus a tad smaller, and add a bigger screened iPhone 7 pro that has the same physical size as the iPhone 6s+ But with a slightly bigger screen.
And fix that overblown bezel and chin sizes on all models!
 
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Steve is dead. Gotta love the "what would Steve do".

Sure, he passed years ago, but it's sometimes nice to realize that predecessors paved the way for their successor(s). Cook is the CEO, so he has to sign off on major decisions, so fragmenting products nonsensically shouldn't be high on his list. OIS shouldn't be a selling point beyond a bigger screen and larger battery capacity.
 
Pretty sure you're in the minority if you don't think the iPhone line is fragmented now

the iPhone line as of today is composed by ONE MODEL in two sizes (4.7 and 5.5").
They are still selling two previous models.

NO, definitely I can't see anything fragmented here.
 
the iPhone line as of today is composed by ONE MODEL in two sizes (4.7 and 5.5").
They are still selling two previous models.

NO, definitely I can't see anything fragmented here.
We'll just have to agree to disagree
 
Does no one else think that an iPhone Pro would make sense? it would bring it inline with a new naming system but also the recently released iPad Pro and the rumoured smaller iPad Pro which may be released at the event later this month.
Apple could release an iPhone Pro with a 256GB option, dual camera and maybe a couple of other features. It makes sense also from a business stand point because people are more likely to upgrade to that model, especially those who take a lot of photos, Apple slaps a premium on it and they also sell more iPhones at the same time.
 
Sure, he passed years ago, but it's sometimes nice to realize that predecessors paved the way for their successor(s). Cook is the CEO, so he has to sign off on major decisions, so fragmenting products nonsensically shouldn't be high on his list. OIS shouldn't be a selling point beyond a bigger screen and larger battery capacity.
I honestly don't see any issues with fragmentation. And who is saying too much choice is no good? SJ or you?
 
Does no one else think that an iPhone Pro would make sense? it would bring it inline with a new naming system but also the recently released iPad Pro and the rumoured smaller iPad Pro which may be released at the event later this month.
Apple could release an iPhone Pro with a 256GB option, dual camera and maybe a couple of other features. It makes sense also from a business stand point because people are more likely to upgrade to that model, especially those who take a lot of photos, Apple slaps a premium on it and they also sell more iPhones at the same time.

As I stated earlier in the thread - I don't agree. I don't see anything "pro" about a cell phone. It's a phone. More memory or storage doesn't makes it a pro. It worked for the iPad because it was a larger size and was brought to market with a new input device.
 
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As I stated earlier in the thread - I don't agree. I don't see anything "pro" about a cell phone. It's a phone. More memory or storage makes it a pro. It worked for the iPad because it was a larger size and was brought to market with a new input device.

Is your objection with the word "pro" or simply the idea of another additional iPhone model that offers more features at a higher price?

I think it would be great if they offered a model with 256GB and dual cameras. It would appeal to certain customers.

But it's completely optional. You don't have to buy that particular model. You could still buy the other cheaper iPhones with single cameras. I've said this before: the iPhone is a range of products. You call it "fragmentation" while I call it "complete"

I know people hate car analogies... but the car industry has figured this out. Cars start with a base-model... and then they have upgraded models at higher prices that offer more features.

If you don't like cars... how about TVs? You can get a standard 50" LCD TV at a low price... or a fancy 50" LCD TV with local LED dimming, better video processing, smart apps, etc, at a higher price.

This is the way the consumer world works... options.
 
Is your objection with the word "pro" or simply the idea of another additional iPhone model that offers more features at a higher price?

I think it would be great if they offered a model with 256GB and dual cameras. It would appeal to certain customers.

But it's completely optional. You don't have to buy that particular model. You could still buy the other cheaper iPhones with single cameras. I've said this before: the iPhone is a range of products. You call it "fragmentation" while I call it "complete"

I know people hate car analogies... but the car industry has figured this out. Cars start with a base-model... and then they have upgraded models at higher prices that offer more features.

If you don't like cars... how about TVs? You can get a standard 50" LCD TV at a low price... or a fancy 50" LCD TV with local LED dimming, better video processing, smart apps, etc, at a higher price.

This is the way the consumer world works... options.

It's really the use of the word Pro. You would never see a "pro" tv for consumers. Just different models or perhaps a different "name" - but PRO wouldn't be it.

I am all for increased specs.
 
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It's really the use of the word Pro. You would never see a "pro" tv for consumers. Just different models or perhaps a different "name" - but PRO wouldn't be it.

I am all for increased specs.

Gotcha... thanks!

So what about other "pro" models from Apple?

The Macbook Pro came out as the aluminum version of the plastic Macbook. I can sorta see that.

But the Mac Pro is weird since there is no "Mac"

And the iPad Pro is bigger and faster... but it really does the same sorta things as the smaller iPad. Then again... it also adds a pencil.

You're right... "pro" as a shortened version of the word "professional" doesn't really mean much in any of those cases.

Perhaps Apple can't find another name?

Apple isn't alone though... DJI sells the Phantom 3 "Professional" alongside the "Advanced" model. :D
 
Sure, he passed years ago, but it's sometimes nice to realize that predecessors paved the way for their successor(s). Cook is the CEO, so he has to sign off on major decisions, so fragmenting products nonsensically shouldn't be high on his list. OIS shouldn't be a selling point beyond a bigger screen and larger battery capacity.
Let's put it this way. You probably couldn't have guessed accurately what Steve Jobs would have done when he was alive. What makes you think you are able to second-guess Steve Job's decisions now that he is dead?
 
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Macbook Pro models have more ports than MacBooks. Give us a headphone jack in the iPhone Pro, and I'll buy it.
 
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