I’m not being pedantic. We are specifically discussing the inclusion of a built-in reader. If we want to discuss external readers, that‘s a different discussion.
You are making an assumption that Mac users are using SD cards at approximately the same rate as 10 years ago despite a near-90% drop-off in camera sales.
You are making the assumption that most MBP users use pro cameras. A lot of people with MBPs don’t use them for photography at all. The MBP is not just for photographers. I know lots of app developers and web developers that use them.No, I'm making the assumption that SD card usage for photography among pro Mac users has dropped considerably less than SD card usage for photography among all users.
Why?
Very simple: most of that drop you're seeing is people moving from PoS cameras to smartphone cameras, which have long since surpassed PoS cameras in convenience and feature set, and often meet or surpass them in image results as well. Smartphone cameras often don't have SD cards (for one, no iPhone ever did), and even when they do, people often don't see the point in using that when they can simply upload the photo somewhere directly.
But pro camera use is a very different beast: the phone oftentimes isn't good enough, even if it were, editing right on the phone wouldn't be as useful due to screen size, and transferring to a bigger machine therefore is useful, which is where SD cards (and other media) come in.
Therefore, while your chart isn't wrong at all, and might be appropriate for a decision for the MacBook Air, it isn't for the MacBook Pro.
You are making the assumption that most MBP users use pro cameras.
A lot of people with MBPs don’t use them for photography at all. The MBP is not just for photographers. I know lots of app developers and web developers that use them.
Sure, but Apple don't make digital cameras or SD cards, and they don't have to recoup camera sales as long as there are still millions people using them who see having a SD slot in their Mac as an advantage. Then there's all the other devices I mentioned that use SDs: Sales of dashcams, drones, Raspberry Pis and similar are rocketing at the moment.It is possible that SD cards are rebounding, but is it enough to overcome a hundred-million loss in sales per year? I doubt it.
No amount of any port type is going to stop a percentage of people being idiots.No amount of TB4 ports is going to fix the embarrassing "uhhh… all I have is USB-C" — "haha, Mac users, amirite" situation.
LG's US monitor page lists 59 with HDMI, 19 with USB-C, 6 with TB3 and 17 with DisplayPort.USB-C displays aren't much more of a thing in 2021 than they were in 2016. They barely exist.
I mean the stats above show that both type-C is not 'non-existent' and for manufacturers like Dell, regular DP is as common as HDMI on higher resolution panels.but until and unless both VESA and the HDMI Forum get convinced to drop the DisplayPort (might happen… full-size DisplayPort isn't really that common anyway) and HDMI (not gonna happen in a million years) connectors, this problem remains.
I believe you and the others advocating for an SD card slot are greatly overestimating the number of Mac users that actually need one. People that spend thousands on pro cameras most likely have thunderbolt hubs too for all the removable media they use, most of which have SD card readers built-in. I think the number of professional photographers is small, and the number of them that don’t already have another way to read SD cards is even smaller.Sure, but Apple don't make digital cameras or SD cards, and they don't have to recoup camera sales as long as there are still millions people using them who see having a SD slot in their Mac as an advantage. Then there's all the other devices I mentioned that use SDs: Sales of dashcams, drones, Raspberry Pis and similar are rocketing at the moment.
The reason for the big drop in digital camera sales is the total collapse in consumer "compact" cameras - because phones - which you can see from your chart - the % of interchangeable lens cameras has gone from about 10% to over 50%. It's pretty clearly levelling out, and people who buy expensive interchangeable-lens digicams don't replace them every year or so, especially if they've spent 5x the cost of the camera on lenses, tripods, external flash etc... and those people are more likely to be high-end Mac Pro customers c.f. people who are satisfied by phone cameras (which produce impressive photos - by applying the photograhic equivalent of "autotune").
Is there an element of "2016 called" about Apple re-introducing SD in 2021? Maybe - but it looks like it is happening.
Could be. (Personally, I don’t care. I do hope HDMI comes back, though.)Again, I admit it’s possible Apple will see the SD card slot as a possible selling point and include it. But let’s face it. Most people will never use it even if they put it in there.
Excuse me, Stephen, but you have been mercilessly and obstinately discounting my use-case of a Mac mini that doesn't need to be plugged in. I need a battery. How much could it raise the price to add a battery, and who would possibly object to having a built in UPS, and being able to use their iMac on the kitchen table without worrying about a power cable being tripped over?
An iMac doesn't have the keyboard attached to the screen. It still has the screen connected to the CPU, which is sad for future value and bad for performance, but at least the keyboard and trackpad are separate and have rechargeable batteries.
I want the UPS to be built in, like it is in a MacBook Air/pro. That way I don't have to carry a 20 pound battery with me if I want to use my desktop on a different desk without having to shut it down.
Well keep wishing for that in one hand and ******** in the other and see which fills up first.I want a usb-c powered Mini with a built-in battery, and a choice of display sizes 16"-20"-24"-32" all with built-in battery and HDMI inputs to use as tv monitor. I think the AIO display-forever-married-to-cpu form factor should be ditched, but as long as they are making it, iMac should have a battery too. Why do you like having to plug it in? It used to be necessary because desktops drew too much power, even a big UPS could only cover 30 minutes, loudly beeping an alarm as if a nuclear meltdown is happening, but that's not true anymore.
This is highly, highly unlikely. If one lives in an area with power outages, one should install a UPS if one has worries about losing work. It’s way too expensive to add to the power supply for something seldom, if ever, needed. It will unnecessarily raise the price (and size of the PS) for most people who don’t need it.
... You are making an assumption that Mac users are using SD cards at approximately the same rate as 10 years ago despite a near-90% drop-off in camera sales. ...
There wasn’t enough motivation for Apple to include an SD slot on any MBP since 2016 nor in any M1 Mac so far. That being said, it’s certainly within the realm of possibility that they would include it on a high-end MBP in order to appeal to professional content creators and editors. ...
Yeah, but when you're using a laptop as a laptop (like a photographer out in the field, or an IT pro in the server room, etc.), those kind of things are a royal pain. Sure, when you're 'docked' back at the office, it might actually be more convenient to use the dock.I believe you and the others advocating for an SD card slot are greatly overestimating the number of Mac users that actually need one. People that spend thousands on pro cameras most likely have thunderbolt hubs too for all the removable media they use, most of which have SD card readers built-in.
As someone who has used a laptop standing in a server room (like, holding it in one hand and typing with the other) an sd card would have never entered my mind.or an IT pro in the server room, etc.)
Yeah, I meant Ethernet for the IT dude (been there, done that, too). SD card for the photographer.As someone who has used a laptop standing in a server room (like, holding it in one hand and typing with the other) an sd card would have never entered my mind.
Ethernet? Sure.
Yeah, different benefits and negatives, or tradeoffs. Something can always go wrong with any machine. I don't hear about too many Apple power supplies failing. I don't imagine they would sell you a replacement cheap, but it probably would cost less than a repair, I'll grant you that.i would actually prefer power supply, easily replaceable....which would made the new mini ice cold....my 2011 was once burned the PSU inside it's pretty troublesome to get it repair....(i keep it on 24/7)
I mean I’d far prefer a removable ssd and ram and such but I really don’t think an external power brick is a problem whatsoever. I just don’t feel like most people are being objective when they act like it’s so bad. How bad is that power brick really gonna hurt your setup? lol they’re just mad about change at that point.It's not that hard to add extra hubs and docks. Having a soldered-in SSD is not a big deal - it's not that hard to add an external SSD. It's not that hard to order as much RAM as you're ever going to need...
I really prefer Mac OS to Windows or Linux but if the list of things that "It's not that hard to do" grows much longer, then the last entry in that list is going to be "It's not that hard to switch to Windows and put together a nice mini-tower PC that it's not hard to hide under your desk and install all of the storage, RAM, extra ports that you need nicely inside."
...and, yes, for a while, the M1 is going to be unassailable if you want something with the portability of a MacBook Air or iPad with the power of a desktop i7, but if you actually want a desktop then there are all sorts of interesting AMD Ryzen options that are much better than that i7, and a wide choice of quiet/silent cases to put them in to.
Fortunately, this Mac-even-more-mini is currently just a rumour. With the M1x/M2/whatever I want to see what Apple Silicon can do when size/power isn't the number one constraint - and that includes more than just cramming more cores in. "Ultra-small, long battery life" was just the low-hanging fruit - if "look how small it is" is still going to be the USP of the higher-end Apple Silicon Macs.
This wouldn't be an issue if Apple made a headless desktop somewhere between the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro (...which doesn't even begin to offer value for money unless you want to fit $10k worth of CPU upgrade, GPUs and RAM).
I've owned both types of Mac Minis with the plastic top and all aluminum housing. Both had bluetooth issues on rare occasions and it would frustrate me when it occurred. It looks like those issues have continued from the comments I have read. I wonder if it's a simple fix that just involves a better bluetooth antenna. ...
I mean I’d far prefer a removable ssd and ram and such but I really don’t think an external power brick is a problem whatsoever. I just don’t feel like most people are being objective when they act like it’s so bad. How bad is that power brick really gonna hurt your setup? lol they’re just mad about change at that point.
Perhaps in the consumer marketplace. But in corporate 24/7 environments many, many workstations have been using external power bricks on MFF machines for years and they have proven to be every bit as reliable as internal PSU's.Probably the biggest thing, though (which is inappropriate in this case), is that devices with external power bricks are typically seen as unreliable.
My understanding is that the iMac's magnetic plug is has a much stronger connection than the laptop MagSafe so the chances of accidentally unplugging it are minimal. But if the choices are either unplugging the computer or having it crash to the floor, which would you prefer?I do see a use-case with a MagSafe connector on a desktop, though. At least enough power to cover an, "oops, I knocked the dang plug off the computer again... quick plug it back in!" The problem here is that even if you have it hooked to a UPS, that won't save you.
You can adjust the angle of the whole computer by pulling the magsafe so yeah, it is pretty strong...My understanding is that the iMac's magnetic plug is has a much stronger connection than the laptop MagSafe so the chances of accidentally unplugging it are minimal. But if the choices are either unplugging the computer or having it crash to the floor, which would you prefer?
But whereas I've always has had Mac laptops since the Duo days, I've been considering a headless Mini plus 13" iPad Pro over a new MacBook Pro and 13" iPad Pro; the former is a less expensive combination and since I can use the iPad as an XDR Mac display, either over wifi or USB with the Luna dongle, it's a pretty solid justification for spending that much on an iPad.
My understanding is that the iMac's magnetic plug is has a much stronger connection than the laptop MagSafe so the chances of accidentally unplugging it are minimal. But if the choices are either unplugging the computer or having it crash to the floor, which would you prefer?
But whereas I've always has had Mac laptops since the Duo days, I've been considering a headless Mini plus 13" iPad Pro over a new MacBook Pro and 13" iPad Pro; the former is a less expensive combination and since I can use the iPad as an XDR Mac display, either over wifi or USB with the Luna dongle, it's a pretty solid justification for spending that much on an iPad.