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Good point. I did not have this in mind. You are right. But then again, why would you want a magnetic plug on a stationary computer like the iMac or the MacMini? In which circumstances do you believe it is useful?
The iMac's case is probably too shallow to allow for a regular plug which resists being unplugged; moving the heat generating PSU/brick outside of the case improves internal cooling. Putting it on the Mini would just allow for parts commonality.
 
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The iMac's case is probably too shallow to allow for a regular plug which resists being unplugged; moving the heat generating PSU/brick outside of the case improves internal cooling. Putting it on the Mini would just allow for parts commonality.
O.K; I understand the need of a special plug due to how shallow is the iMac's case. Not necessarily magnetic but, I guess the plug/unplug feeling is certainly more attractive among other possible solutions. I bit more dangerous too unless there would be a backup battery inside the computer or a real-4-hour battery which would not be absurd due to the fact that portable (professional and not so pro) monitors are in the market. I do not see the purpose of a magnetic plug unless the computer has an inner battery.

About ventilation: I do have this fact in mind all the time. This is actually why I do not purchase portable "Pro" computers to work all day. I did have in the past two MacBook Pros with which I worked for three or four years but intensive video editing ends up by burning the machine somehow. This is why it is worth to purchase a MacMini: once its professional lifetime has ended up, you can still use it as a server or a home media center or so on. A second opportunity, this is ecology. This is to me another reason why I believe a next-level Mac Mini should keep the same form-factor while delivering more versatility rather than thinness. Apple might consider that if the internal PSU is gone, and that thermal dynamic studies prove that MacMini can now be thinner, it is a great opportunity to boast with a "Now even Thinner!" but I believe that, for professionals, it is rather a disenchantment that such a product falls into the logic of a mercantilistic aestheticism rather than following the tradition (sometimes left behind, we know) of the Mac Mini, that is, a versatile compact computer also for professionals that can be hardware updated (at least with an extra secondary drive).
 
I could care less about what Apple does with the Mn-series SoC powered Mac mini, but for a Mn Pro/Max SoC powered Mac mini (Pro) I would expect the PSU to stay internal & hope that 10Gb Ethernet will be standard...

Keep the current 2018 Mac mini chassis, just mod the interior for the Mn Pro/Max mobo; or make it taller (retaining the 7.7" x 7.7" footprint) to allow for a larger heat sink & fan; better cooling equals better performance...?
 
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I could see a Mac mini Pro with the current footprint, but twice the height; more room for a larger heat sink & better fan(s), maybe even enough thermal headroom to allow dual SoCs...?!?

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Keep the current 2018 Mac mini chassis, just mod the interior for the Mn Pro/Max mobo; or make it taller (retaining the 7.7" x 7.7" footprint) to allow for a larger heat sink & fan; better cooling equals better performance...?
Same here, there is no reason for it to be smaller. Put that space to use with a proper cooling system. I don't understand why Apple always has to skimp on their cooling solutions, such that the machine either damages itself, or doesn't achieve full performance it would otherwise be capable of.

At least with Intel, they could *claim* giving adequate cooling was just too much of a tradeoff, especially in laptops (there was nothing stopping them from making the mini or a small tower, etc. capable of cooling itself).

From some videos I've seen, it looks like they are already up against those issues on the new MacBook Pros again. I hope they don't do the same with the new mini, but I wouldn't hold my breath. It's almost as if they try to make the Mac Pro the only real pro machine.
 
Mac mini - 1 liter - Mn SoC only

Mac mini Pro - maximum 5 liters - Mn Pro/Max SoC or Mn Duo Pro/Max MCM

Mac Pro Cube - maximum 10 liters - Mn Duo/Quad Pro/Max MCMs

Mac Pro (tower) - maximum 20 liters - Mn Duo/Quad/Octo Pro/Max MCMs
 
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A Mac Mini Pro would be great. But not sure if Apple is willing to cannibalize its higher-end offerings.
 
Same here, there is no reason for it to be smaller. Put that space to use with a proper cooling system. I don't understand why Apple always has to skimp on their cooling solutions, such that the machine either damages itself, or doesn't achieve full performance it would otherwise be capable of.

At least with Intel, they could *claim* giving adequate cooling was just too much of a tradeoff, especially in laptops (there was nothing stopping them from making the mini or a small tower, etc. capable of cooling itself).

From some videos I've seen, it looks like they are already up against those issues on the new MacBook Pros again. I hope they don't do the same with the new mini, but I wouldn't hold my breath. It's almost as if they try to make the Mac Pro the only real pro machine.
What videos are you seeing that show any kind of overheating effect on the 2021 MBPs? Every review and technical breakdown I’ve seen says that it is hard to get the fans to get above idle and once you do, the machines operate without overheating problems. It is true that the 14 with the Max, being smaller has to push the fans a little more but that it still has no problem handling the heat.
 
Mac mini - 1 liter - Mn SoC only

Mac mini Pro - maximum 5 liters - Mn Pro/Max SoC or Mn Duo Pro/Max MCM

Mac Pro Cube - maximum 10 liters - Mn Duo/Quad Pro/Max MCMs

Mac Pro (tower) - maximum 20 liters - Mn Duo/Quad/Octo Pro/Max MCMs

Sounds interesting, but what is this based off?

A Mac Mini Pro would be great. But not sure if Apple is willing to cannibalize its higher-end offerings.
I suppose, but on the other hand, why not? If you're putting essentially the same range of chips in and they are all your stuff, does it matter too much which 'package' they come in?

I mean, I'm sure they'll differentiate on some aspects, like screen size in laptops, or obviously RAM, CPU/GPU cores, etc. But, it isn't like where they are separate classes of 3rd party CPUs or different GPUs any longer. There was a huge difference between an i5 and a Xeon, or an integrated Intel GPU and a AMD.

Think about the iPhones. They have similar chips, but get differentiated on screen sizes and storage, or maybe camera features. Yes, the size aspect is kind of arbitrary, but most of the rest of it makes sense.

As for the Mac Pro, there will probably just be a lot more 'machine' there with some really high end number of cores that won't work in laptop/iMac packaging. What I'm really curious about, is if the current Mac Pro ends up being once again a one-off, or if they'll put the M-series in there with various kinds of expansion. (ex: we still don't know if Apple will support 3rd party GPUs eventually. While the M1 Max is impressive, and doubling or quadrupling the GPU cores would be cool, it won't be a match (GPU-wise) for a Mac Pro with dual, dual (4x) high-end AMD GPUs.)

What videos are you seeing that show any kind of overheating effect on the 2021 MBPs? Every review and technical breakdown I’ve seen says that it is hard to get the fans to get above idle and once you do, the machines operate without overheating problems. It is true that the 14 with the Max, being smaller has to push the fans a little more but that it still has no problem handling the heat.

I can't remember which one, right now, but one of the videos on this channel:

They were doing a bunch of heavy computing with the 14" and 16" and (if memory serves) it didn't seem like the 16" was utilizing the full potential of the hardware (32 cores, etc.). The 14" also got REALLY hot, but maintained expected performance. Maybe I'm mistaken, but that seemed to be my takeaway.
 
Many here wouldnt mind using the current Mac mini body design with an option for a M1 Pro, M1 Max and their 2 and 4 chip design
Yeah that new design looks great, but keep the plain thing and give me a 32 or 64 gb RAM Pro or Max and I'm happy.
 
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Many here wouldnt mind using the current Mac mini body design with a M1 Pro, M1 Max and their 2 and 4 chip design
I agree with that; just have four Thunderbolt 4/USB-C ports instead of the two on the basic M1 Mini when it comes to the I/O ports and I'd still be sold! Plus, it could easily take the place of my 2012 i7 Mac Mini desktop, with the only visual difference being the Space Gray color.
 
I agree with that; just have four Thunderbolt 4/USB-C ports instead of the two on the basic M1 Mini when it comes to the I/O ports and I'd still be sold! Plus, it could easily take the place of my 2012 i7 Mac Mini desktop, with the only visual difference being the Space Gray color.
Better yet match the I/O of the 2021 MBP 16"?

My guess as to why that has not happened is that M1 Pro and M1 Max parts are scarce.
 


Last week, Bloomberg reported that Apple is working on a high-end version of the Mac mini with additional ports and featuring the same Apple silicon chip expected to debut in the upcoming redesigned MacBook Pro. Now, new renders from Apple leaker Jon Prosser have potentially given us our first look at this upcoming Mac.

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According to renders made by Ian Zelbo in collaboration with Prosser, and shared in a new YouTube video from Front Page Tech, the new Mac mini will retain a mostly similar design to the existing Mac mini but be smaller in overall size.


According to Prosser, the new high-end Mac mini will feature the same ports currently available on the Intel-based Mac mini, which includes four Thunderbolt, two USB-A, Ethernet, and HDMI. Another change reportedly coming to the new Mac mini is a "plexiglass-like" top, which will sit above the aluminum enclosure.

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Proser says he has "heard" that Apple is testing two-tone color options for the Mac mini, similar to the newly released 24-inch iMac. Finally, Prosser says that the new Mac mini will feature the same magnetic power port that debuted in the 24-inch iMac.

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Apple updated the Mac mini with the M1 Apple silicon chip in November, keeping in its lineup Mac minis equipped with Intel processors. Bloomberg has indicated Apple could scrap its plans to release this new high-end Mac mini but notes that regardless, it will eventually replace the current Intel models with ones featuring Apple silicon chips.

Article Link: High-End Mac Mini Said to Feature Thinner Design With 'Plexiglass' Top, Magnetic Power Port
Whatever they give us, it seems as if it is already in the manufacturing process. I hope they added SD readers into the new MacMinis the same way they added SD readers on the new MacBook Pros. Oh! And it wouldn't be bad to be able to configure it with a specific render engine for video and audio. Less aesthetic fanciness and more pro features, please.
 
Whatever they give us, it seems as if it is already in the manufacturing process. I hope they added SD readers into the new MacMinis the same way they added SD readers on the new MacBook Pros. Oh! And it wouldn't be bad to be able to configure it with a specific render engine for video and audio. Less aesthetic fanciness and more pro features, please.
You know the M1Pro comes with a hardware ProRes encoding unit and the M1Max has 2 of these encoding units, right?
 
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Many here wouldnt mind using the current Mac mini body design with a M1 Pro, M1 Max and their 2 and 4 chip design

The main thing is the footprint. It can be thinner or have a plexiglass top, but the same footprint will allow previous Mac minis to stack on top.
 
The main thing is the footprint. It can be thinner or have a plexiglass top, but the same footprint will allow previous Mac minis to stack on top.
To be honest, I'd be somewhat surprised if it was the same footprint. As I've mentioned before, I don't think Apple will feel obligated to restrict themselves to the limitations of a 12 year-old design.

And anyhow, if it's smaller, you could always stack it on top of an older model, if you absolutely have to. Also, if they made the top plexiglass, you wouldn't want to stack anything on top of it anyway.
 
The main thing is the footprint. It can be thinner or have a plexiglass top, but the same footprint will allow previous Mac minis to stack on top.
My reply is meant to communication we want M1 Pro & M1 Max last year and not later this year with a redesign.

Redesign could come with the M2, M2 Pro, M2 Max and their 2 chip and 4 chip SKUs.
 
My reply is meant to communication we want M1 Pro & M1 Max yesterday and not tomorrow with a redesign.

Redesign could come with the M2, M2 Pro, M2 Max and their 2 chip and 4 chip SKUs.
Such a redesign process would have begun years ago. The redesigned MacBook Pros and iMacs having already been released is a testament to that. The release timeframes are more likely because Apple wanted a staggered release for marketing reasons, along with issues related to chip component shortages.
 
Such a redesign process would have begun years ago. The redesigned MacBook Pros and iMacs having already been released is a testament to that. The release timeframes are more likely because Apple wanted a staggered release for marketing reasons, along with issues related to chip component shortages.

I agree with you on the supply chain constraints and optimization. Its unfortunate that those who want a higher-end Mac mini need to wait over 15 months for one.
 
My reply is meant to communication we want M1 Pro & M1 Max last year and not later this year with a redesign.

Redesign could come with the M2, M2 Pro, M2 Max and their 2 chip and 4 chip SKUs.
Apple is not going to put the M1/2 Max Duo or Max Quadro in the Mini. That would basically be the Mac Pro at that point.

I do think they will add the M1 Pro and probably the M1 Max but don’t expect anything more than that for the mini.
 
Apple is not going to put the M1/2 Max Duo or Max Quadro in the Mini. That would basically be the Mac Pro at that point.

I do think they will add the M1 Pro and probably the M1 Max but don’t expect anything more than that for the mini.
The current Mac mini has the intenal physical dimensions and thermals for a Jade-2C & Jade-4C as the M1 Pro/Max are that tiny and energy efficient.

What makes a Macro is also its internal expandability which the Mac mini lacks
 
The current Mac mini has the intenal physical dimensions and thermals for a Jade-2C & Jade-4C as the M1 Pro/Max are that tiny and energy efficient.

What makes a Macro is also its internal expandability which the Mac mini lacks
That and the price ?

Apple will want to reserve their best and fastest chips for their higher end Macs as part of market segmentation.
 
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