High Resolution and 3D Interactive Mockup of Apple's Rumored 'iPad Mini', and Possible Physical Models and Parts

[Rocketman]

So unless you can state the percentage of tax per American state I need to take of my quotations to make them meet your validation then my comment stands.
Thank you..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_tax_rates

I have no idea how that impacts anybody's position but there. My own experience is Apple charges a slight premium to account for exchange rate fluctuations and extra shipping and marketing costs. Some jurisdictions like Brazil have huge import duties so Apple has taken to manufacturing there.

I think USA is the lowest cost jurisdiction for Apple pricing overall.

In CA the maximum tax bracket is something like 38% federal, 8% state, and with the changes in the health care and tax laws on 1-1-13 that will go up by another 4-5%, so a combined marginal income tax rate of 50%. That does not include all the other taxes like sales, excise, gasoline, real estate, and dozens of others. The net tax rate is around 60% in CA, USA.

We had a tea party over 10% for goodness sake.

Rocketman

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

Not bad looking.

 

[arn]

Did anyone else look at the WebGL 3D model? It's just the iPad Mini in space, since the proportions of the mini and the new iPad are extremely similar, there's no way to tell you're looking at a smaller device (yes, I know, I know, the icons, etc.). Thanks for going to all this effort MacRumors, but it's kinda useless.

Next time we'll be sure to render a flawless glass sphere alongside it to give you a frame of reference.

arn

 

[Glideslope]

This looks great but I am still trying to figure out why I need a 4 inch iPhone and a 7.85 inch iPad mini. I have never used a tablet on a regular basis. Is there really that much of a difference that I would need both??

You don't. The next iPhone should have stayed at 3.5".

Need:
3.5" New iPhone
7.85 iPad for Travel/Work Minder
10" iPad for Home use.
15" MBP with a SSD (not an Air Fan yet)
Apple TV 1080p
Any brand/size flat screen LED TV.
Airport Extreme

 

[JAT]

And yes it is MY opinion America has daft tax laws, sorry you find that hard to believe but yes I have an opinion on it.

Your opinion on the tax is based on zero information. I'm sure we're all glad you have repeated it so often.

There are 51 governments in the USA, which each handle sales tax differently. You are comparing to one govt/law where you live, per my understanding of the UK. It is not an issue of quality, but quantity that you are facing. Therefore, the best way to compare prices is outside of tax on both sides. Or, to simply pick a USA govt (try New York, just for fun) and compare one to one. Then say, "YMMV in different States".

As for the pricing, the iPad came out at half the prevailing expectation, people were in shock. Maybe it isn't cheap enough for you, but that's on you. Later, competitors like the Xoom arrived, at higher prices than Apple's. Since then, Apple has maintained the exact same pricing on the iPad, while the competitors have mostly dropped prices to below a point that is viable for a business. Plus some had fire sales. If you really think that is better, with the potential for all such tablets to vanish from the marketplace as a non-viable product, congrats. But those with business sense will always argue with you. Maybe you just need to save longer.

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You don't. The next iPhone should have stayed at 3.5".

Need:
3.5" New iPhone
7.85 iPad for Travel/Work Minder
10" iPad for Home use.
15" MBP with a SSD (not an Air Fan yet)
Apple TV 1080p
Any brand/size flat screen LED TV.
Airport Extreme

Why so many (theoretically) high quality components, then "any brand...LED"?

 

[Nightarchaon]

You realize that the lower end and higher end Windows 8 tablets use completely different chip architecture and a completely different operating system right? You make a lot of claims and no device has been released yet. Hell, Windows 8 doesn't even have a release date yet

Windows 8, october 26th, has had that date for months now, and yes i know the architecture is different, the key point is, the low end is going to be cheaper than the iPad, for a system that, when i buy something on the Windows market place, will run on ALL COPIES of windows 8 i own, the tablet RT version for ARM apps will also run on the Windows 8 Intel build (Obviously not the other way around) you show me how i can run all my iOS apps on my mac desktop without having to mess about with developer tools ?

The full intel WIn 8 machines will be between the cost of the current iPad and the entry Macbook Air, and will decimate sales of both, Microsoft has dedicated itself to reversing apples market share increases, and , because apple doesnt give two hoots about the "post PC" market, focusing all its efforts on iOS devices, i think Microsoft might just send them packing again this time.

however, this does assume Microsoft is capable of getting Windows Phone 8, Xbox Live, Windows 8 and Windows 8 RT all working and talking properly by the end of this year.....i wont hold my breath

 

[apolloa]

Sorry, but your math is off.

UK price includes 20% VAT. Back that out, and you're closer to £332, which is $528, not that far from $499 - and who knows what UK import tax is. That may also factor in.

Which means you converted the price with tax included. The UK has a standardized VAT tax so it is added into the ticket prices. You need to take like 20% in taxes off that price and then compare.

Sigh.... as I stated, UNLESS you can come back here and quote the percentage of tax PER American state I need to adjust for then please don't comment. Why are you all so desperately trying to convince yourselves that you made a value for money purchase with your iPads? And my argument is still correct because the iPad is STILL more expensive in the UK as fact regardless of what anyone states.
Don't come over all defensive because of this fact. I pay 20% VAT on an iPad, how much sales tax do YOU pay in YOUR state? How about YOU do some conversions if your all so uptight about my comments.

iOS (which is derived from OS X which is derived from NeXT which is derived from Unix) is based on approximately 35 year old tech.

And they're delivered by trucks - 120 year old infernal combusty tech.

Still not buying??

No, because I don't over analyse things like you seem to have? Plus their is competition out there beyond Apple....

 

[apolloa]

Your opinion on the tax is based on zero information. I'm sure we're all glad you have repeated it so often.

There are 51 governments in the USA, which each handle sales tax differently. You are comparing to one govt/law where you live, per my understanding of the UK. It is not an issue of quality, but quantity that you are facing. Therefore, the best way to compare prices is outside of tax on both sides. Or, to simply pick a USA govt (try New York, just for fun) and compare one to one. Then say, "YMMV in different States".

As for the pricing, the iPad came out at half the prevailing expectation, people were in shock. Maybe it isn't cheap enough for you, but that's on you. Later, competitors like the Xoom arrived, at higher prices than Apple's. Since then, Apple has maintained the exact same pricing on the iPad, while the competitors have mostly dropped prices to below a point that is viable for a business. Plus some had fire sales. If you really think that is better, with the potential for all such tablets to vanish from the marketplace as a non-viable product, congrats. But those with business sense will always argue with you. Maybe you just need to save longer.

See, this is what I love about this forum, the assumptions people jump to make, like you seem to have concluded that I cannot afford an iPad because I stated a fact that it is more expensive in the UK then America?
And as for the 'people with business sense', hmm well I think I would much rather trust Amazon and Google to know what they are doing a hell of a lot more then any poster on Mac Rumors forums, regardless of what they say. Because so far those two companies seem to know exactly what they are doing and I doubt anyone here works in the business or accounts department for a multi billion dollar multi national corporation?
Apple will not be able to compete. But as I don't believe a 7.85" iPad is going to be launched anyway that's a moot point.

 

[JAT]

See, this is what I love about this forum, the assumptions people jump to make, like you seem to have concluded that I cannot afford an iPad because I stated a fact that it is more expensive in the UK then America?
And as for the 'people with business sense', hmm well I think I would much rather trust Amazon and Google to know what they are doing a hell of a lot more then any poster on Mac Rumors forums, regardless of what they say. Because so far those two companies seem to know exactly what they are doing and I doubt anyone here works in the business or accounts department for a multi billion dollar multi national corporation?
Apple will not be able to compete. But as I don't believe a 7.85" iPad is going to be launched anyway that's a moot point.

No, I don't currently work for that size company, but I am an accountant and understand these topics pretty darn well.

BTW, way to change the subject. You originally stated it was TOO expensive. Period. Currencies came after that. And I didn't say you can't afford anything, I simply said you'll have to save longer. Maybe you're a billionaire and you'll have to save 3 seconds longer.

Question: Does this phrase "the assumptions people jump to make, like you seem to have concluded" mean you are complaining about your own assumptions?

 

[dotme]

Sigh.... as I stated, UNLESS you can come back here and quote the percentage of tax PER American state I need to adjust for then please don't comment....I pay 20% VAT on an iPad, how much sales tax do YOU pay in YOUR state? How about YOU do some conversions if your all so uptight about my comments.

Not up tight at all about your comments - although you seem pretty upset about mine, and I was very polite. All I did was point out that there's little difference in the price of the iPad on either side of the pond before the governments on either side get into the game with taxes. Make sense now?

 

[apolloa]

Not up tight at all about your comments - although you seem pretty upset about mine, and I was very polite. All I did was point out that there's little difference in the price of the iPad on either side of the pond before the governments on either side get into the game with taxes. Make sense now?

Well, if I take 20% VAT off from £399 I get £319.20, if I use XE converter that comes to $507.58. That makes the 16GB iPad 3 WiFi $108.58 more expensive in the UK. Assuming the cost on Apple's store is minus the sales tax.
So no, I am still correct in my statement, the iPad is still more expensive by a fair amount in the UK.

 

[apolloa]

No, I don't currently work for that size company, but I am an accountant and understand these topics pretty darn well.

BTW, way to change the subject. You originally stated it was TOO expensive. Period. Currencies came after that. And I didn't say you can't afford anything, I simply said you'll have to save longer. Maybe you're a billionaire and you'll have to save 3 seconds longer.

Question: Does this phrase "the assumptions people jump to make, like you seem to have concluded" mean you are complaining about your own assumptions?

I do work for a big company, nothing to do with accounting but one thing I have learnt is they ALWAYS know EXACTLY what they are doing no matter how daft you 'think' their ideas are. And I would be more then confident both Amazon and Google also know exactly what they are doing with selling great tablets at low costs.

Oh and: You originally stated it was TOO expensive.

Is wrong I'm afraid, I did NOT state that anywhere in my comments, nor did I imply it. I stated it was considered an expensive toy. You should go back and read what I posted again...

 

[Tcache]

I know I don't need this but when I hold it in my hands.... Take my monies

 

[dotme]

Well, if I take 20% VAT off from £399 I get £319.20, if I use XE converter that comes to $507.58. That makes the 16GB iPad 3 WiFi $108.58 more expensive in the UK. Assuming the cost on Apple's store is minus the sales tax.
So no, I am still correct in my statement, the iPad is still more expensive by a fair amount in the UK.

I thought the US 16GB iPad 3 was $499 - making the difference $8.58

Anyway, we'll just agree to disagree

 

[dkersten]

Windows 8, october 26th, has had that date for months now, and yes i know the architecture is different, the key point is, the low end is going to be cheaper than the iPad, for a system that, when i buy something on the Windows market place, will run on ALL COPIES of windows 8 i own, the tablet RT version for ARM apps will also run on the Windows 8 Intel build (Obviously not the other way around) you show me how i can run all my iOS apps on my mac desktop without having to mess about with developer tools ?

The full intel WIn 8 machines will be between the cost of the current iPad and the entry Macbook Air, and will decimate sales of both, Microsoft has dedicated itself to reversing apples market share increases, and , because apple doesnt give two hoots about the "post PC" market, focusing all its efforts on iOS devices, i think Microsoft might just send them packing again this time.

however, this does assume Microsoft is capable of getting Windows Phone 8, Xbox Live, Windows 8 and Windows 8 RT all working and talking properly by the end of this year.....i wont hold my breath

Fair enough. I guess i missed a release date. Just curious is that Windows 8 for the desktop only, or does that include the mobile version(s) as well? The only thing that I can't agree with is Air sales being decimated. Maybe its just me but I still feel that people would rather carry around an actual laptop than a tablet and a keyboard even if its one of those hybrids.

And I am very excited for all of the services that Microsoft operates to come together. However, I don't think that Apple will be too hurt by Windows, at least for 2 years. And by then Apple could counteract with their own improved ecosystem (think a smart watch, Apple TV with apps, further car integration, etc.). It will be an interesting fight, the desktop fight 2.0 between Microsoft and Apple. All i know is Apple better not rest on their laurels or they will be overtaken for sure. It will be interesting...

 

[Xiroteus]

Not if it's priced at $299 it won't (perhaps if it's a 64gb model).
I'd like to see a 8gb wi-fi for $199 to compete directly with the Nexus 7.

There really is no excuse for any tablet to have only 8GB these days with me memory being so cheap.

 

[Tee1up]

Read it again buddy. These are no mere mock-ups. They are high resolution mock-ups. I guess this is new-speak for seriously good (as far as they are concerned) guesses.

Regardless, your comment is bang-on!

Why are mockups front page news?

 

[JAT]

I do work for a big company, nothing to do with accounting but one thing I have learnt is they ALWAYS know EXACTLY what they are doing no matter how daft you 'think' their ideas are. And I would be more then confident both Amazon and Google also know exactly what they are doing with selling great tablets at low costs.

You could be right. Neither has released info specific enough to know, however. And they probably won't, unless they restructure their public reporting to show a division with only that one product line. Again, probably won't. Of course, I compared 10" tabs to the iPads, since those are the only actual Apple to xxx comparisons currently available. Neither of those companies make a 10" tab, so pretty moot to my comments what Google or Amazon are doing. Mot, Asus, Archos, etc. are doing poorly selling theirs at bargain basement pricing that apparently doesn't match up to their own cost structure. They most likely came out with them priced appropriately for cost (Xoom 32GB $800, IIRC), but couldn't compete for other reasons (I assume software/store integration), so began dropping prices. Does Mot even make one, now?

Oh and: You originally stated it was TOO expensive.

Is wrong I'm afraid, I did NOT state that anywhere in my comments, nor did I imply it. I stated it was considered an expensive toy. You should go back and read what I posted again...

That doesn't mean "too expensive"? Along with repeated rants about the price? I apologize, I thought you had a reason for the rants.

 

[Dangerous Theory]

Well, if I take 20% VAT off from £399 I get £319.20, if I use XE converter that comes to $507.58. That makes the 16GB iPad 3 WiFi $108.58 more expensive in the UK. Assuming the cost on Apple's store is minus the sales tax.
So no, I am still correct in my statement, the iPad is still more expensive by a fair amount in the UK.

Weren't you taught basic percentages in school? Adding 20% onto a figure cannot be reversed by subtracting 20% from the new figure. If you wish to reverse a calculation, simply assume that that £399 is 120%, divide by 120 and multiply by 100. You come to a value of £332.50.

 

[greenmeanie]

I know a school waiting on buying a bunch of those for the students to use if they come out.

 

[Adelabarbara]

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[guillemn]

This is a good point.

SO now is likely to happen. We will see...