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Here is what I think! The new phone will be priced in the 1000 dollar range, and there will be lines of people buying them! Are you a have or a have not? I myself can't afford that, so I will stick with my lower class Android phone! And I will be honored to bow in the presence of you amazing people who can afford it!
 
Didn't the 5C bomb? What's the point in confusing consumers and hurting the brand with garbage devices that nobody wants?

It has been often the second or third best selling phone on the market. You can't believe what the naysayers print.
 
Didn't the 5C bomb? What's the point in confusing consumers and hurting the brand with garbage devices that nobody wants?

The only phone the 5c didn't out sell was Apple's own 5s. This information is easily accessible online. Why you call it a garbage device makes no sense. It's actually a very well made product.
 
I remember when I used to make the luxury car parallel to owning a Mac. :rolleyes:



Actually, it's not plain and simple. I don't want an iPhone. Most people I know have an Android phone.

If market share met anything, then that makes Windows better than OS X. I doubt most people here would agree with that. Market share doesn't mean something is better. ;)



Some would take having a Ford Focus is a luxury because it's a car. It's all relevant to the person.

Sorry, I should clarify: People (meaning smartphone buyers with a disposable income) tend to prefer the iPhone. That's not to say that there aren't people who have money and buy an Android phone. I know some people myself but it is a minority position based on the publicly available data. I'm sure your Android works well for you and have nothing negative to say on that matter.

Also, I never said anything about marketshare. All I said was that the iPhone is growing in all markets that it competes. Apple will likely never have a marketshare larger than Android or Windows because it competes at the higher end of the market (I called this the luxury market but some on here didn't like my definition so I'll stick with high end)

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No they are not, again it is a very common car either new or second hand, how many Rolls Royce do you see? Bentley? Ferrari? And so on. Those are luxury brands. Not a BMW that costs the same as a Ford.
How many brand new top end BMW 7 series do you daily on the roads? Again not many.

I was just defining it like others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_vehicle#Ultra-luxury_cars

I'm happy to call it a high-end phone if my use of luxury is somehow conflicting with people.

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Here is what I think! The new phone will be priced in the 1000 dollar range, and there will be lines of people buying them! Are you a have or a have not? I myself can't afford that, so I will stick with my lower class Android phone! And I will be honored to bow in the presence of you amazing people who can afford it!

Wow didn't mean to start a class warfare. All I was saying was the Apple competes in the high-end market. For that reason their marketshare will never be as high as Android. Does it mean iPhone buyers are paying excess money for nothing? Absolutely not. The iPhone experience is much more than just raw component costs. There's an intrinsic value of Apple's software fluidity and integration between devices. There's an aesthetic appeal. There's having the highest performing device on the market (on release date, benchmark data). There's the excellent customer service in the form of Apple-owned and branded stores.

I personally value those aspects very highly and therefore I would never buy an Android phone until they could beat Apple overall in those categories.

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You're seriously comparing an iPhone that can be had for $99 on contract to a BMW?

Are you asking if I believe a 99 iPhone is equivalent to a 50k BMW? Obviously not. I was merely trying to compare the smartphone market with the auto market because I think there are parallels. There is a spectrum of cars from low end to high end. The high end cars tend to have the highest margins but sell at lower rates than the lower end cars. Likewise the same spectrum exists in the smartphone market. My argument was that the iPhone occupied this higher end of the market. Perhaps it is not a surprise that the iPhone has the highest margin out of any phone on the market (excluding some ridiculous gold plated, diamond encrusted 100k phone brands that sell 20 phones total) and a fairly low marketshare.
 
Sorry, I should clarify: People (meaning smartphone buyers with a disposable income) tend to prefer the iPhone. That's not to say that there aren't people who have money and buy an Android phone. I know some people myself but it is a minority position based on the publicly available data. I'm sure your Android works well for you and have nothing negative to say on that matter.

Also, I never said anything about marketshare. All I said was that the iPhone is growing in all markets that it competes. Apple will likely never have a marketshare larger than Android or Windows because it competes at the higher end of the market (I called this the luxury market but some on here didn't like my definition so I'll stick with high end)

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I was just defining it like others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_vehicle#Ultra-luxury_cars

I'm happy to call it a high-end phone if my use of luxury is somehow conflicting with people.

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Wow didn't mean to start a class warfare. All I was saying was the Apple competes in the high-end market. For that reason their marketshare will never be as high as Android. Does it mean iPhone buyers are paying excess money for nothing? Absolutely not. The iPhone experience is much more than just raw component costs. There's an intrinsic value of Apple's software fluidity and integration between devices. There's an aesthetic appeal. There's having the highest performing device on the market (on release date, benchmark data). There's the excellent customer service in the form of Apple-owned and branded stores.

I personally value those aspects very highly and therefore I would never buy an Android phone until they could beat Apple overall in those categories.

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Are you asking if I believe a 99 iPhone is equivalent to a 50k BMW? Obviously not. I was merely trying to compare the smartphone market with the auto market because I think there are parallels. There is a spectrum of cars from low end to high end. The high end cars tend to have the highest margins but sell at lower rates than the lower end cars. Likewise the same spectrum exists in the smartphone market. My argument was that the iPhone occupied this higher end of the market. Perhaps it is not a surprise that the iPhone has the highest margin out of any phone on the market (excluding some ridiculous gold plated, diamond encrusted 100k phone brands that sell 20 phones total) and a fairly low marketshare.
One of life's luxuries is something you don't need but buy anyway..A luxury product is not something that is run of the mill and you see everywhere..A luxury brand would be something that is more rare and you wouldn't see all day long such as a Bently or a Rolex...doesn't really matter to me but true luxury is not something you are getting subsidized from a cell phone carrier and every school girl has one.
 
No substantiation. Hopefully Sapphire makes its way to the iPhone 6. Rumors are back and forth. Apple said Sapphire was for a 'secret project'
 
Why does this keep getting said [iphone 5c bombed]? There's nothing further from the truth. The 5c is huge. I see it all the time "in the wild"

Because the 5c sold fewer units than anticipated. It was a great device but people were anticipating a cheap iphone and the 5c is not a budget device. The rumor mills were full with ideas of an iphone that would compete on price with the likes of the Nexus and Lumia phones, in order to gain market share. I personally love the 5c but it is not worth the price charged for it with the 5s only $100 more. I can't wait to pick one up used from an iPhone 6 adopter.
 
One of life's luxuries is something you don't need but buy anyway..A luxury product is not something that is run of the mill and you see everywhere..A luxury brand would be something that is more rare and you wouldn't see all day long such as a Bently or a Rolex...doesn't really matter to me but true luxury is not something you are getting subsidized from a cell phone carrier and every school girl has one.

Again, I was going off of what is a standard definition of luxury. I'm happy to call the iPhone high-end instead.
 
I only buy the high end iPhones with the large storage anyways. Bring it on! Sapphire glass, stabilizer camera and 128GB storage. Fine with me! $1,000 for my 4.7" is okay! Just make sure it the "unlocked" version at release. I always in the past waited 90-120 days to buy the unlock model. Hopefully, they will include this model in the line up at release!
 
Because the 5c sold fewer units than anticipated. It was a great device but people were anticipating a cheap iphone and the 5c is not a budget device. The rumor mills were full with ideas of an iphone that would compete on price with the likes of the Nexus and Lumia phones, in order to gain market share. I personally love the 5c but it is not worth the price charged for it with the 5s only $100 more. I can't wait to pick one up used from an iPhone 6 adopter.

Cook stated in the earnings call, people bought the 5s over the 5c in greater numbers than Apple anticipated. This caused a shortage of the 5s with a glut of the 5c, at least initially. They adjusted their production and began producing more of the 5s instead of the 5c.

This all being said, the 5c sold amazingly well. As others have stated it was the 2nd highest selling model phone, behind the 5s. It was only recently dethroned by the S5 and now sits at third. Most importantly, however, is that it sold more units than the midrange model from the previous year (2012-2013). This is exactly what Apple wanted to accomplish: Good growth in the midrange models.
 
It really comes down to iPhone or Android. Android has the biggest marketshare (~80%). So the iPhone is not the "popular phone." It is the luxury phone that people want (but by and large can't afford).

iPhone and Android are not in the same category.

one is a phone, the other is an operating system.

The iPhone is the runaway winner of the smartphone wars, with 41.8% market share. The next closest competitor (Samsung) has a market share of 26.1% TOTAL for ALL of their smartphones combined (source: Forbes).

iPhone is not just "popular", it has crushed the competition.
 
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Apple will NOT raise the price of the iPhone. They are not stupid enough to remove one argument for buying Android (larger screen) and replace with with another (price).

People will buy it even if the price goes up.
 
Only if it can at least match the competition. All of whom have had several years to refine their models.

I hate the 5.5 but since when Apple care about competition "refining" their models? Did Apple care about how refine Nokia or Blackberry is when they introduce iPhone?
 
Maybe compare it to $299 on contract, but I know several BMW owners (new ones!), and they all have iPhones (also new ones). Same buyers with the same level (or lack?) of taste.

lol and that taste is????

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Again, I was going off of what is a standard definition of luxury. I'm happy to call the iPhone high-end instead.


Maybe you can give us this standard definition

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And a lot of people would buy a Ferrari if it were cheaper too ...

But, they still want the Ferrari. Not the lesser vehicle their cheaper price tag is going to get them.

Are you really comparing a Ferrari to an iPhone?!?! Lolol
 
iPhone and Android are not in the same category.

one is a phone, the other is an operating system.

The iPhone is the runaway winner of the smartphone wars, with 41.8% market share. The next closest competitor (Samsung) has a market share of 26.1% TOTAL for ALL of their smartphones combined (source: Forbes).

iPhone is not just "popular", it has crushed the competition.

Well iPhone is synonymous with iOS smartphones for this comparison but I suppose I'll just say iOS in the future.

The global smartphone marketshare for the iPhone/iOS is around 20%, the US marketshare is around 50%. These stats are misleading as the phones sold in the iOS ecosystem compete primarily on the high-end and not in the low-end, high volume smartphone market. It is like saying BMW isn't doing well because they only are a small percentage of global car sales even though they dominate the high-end market. However, the difference between BMW and Apple is that BMW has to compete with very strong competitors (Audi, Lexus, and Mercedes). Apple really has no competitors in this space (besides Samsung who has seen essentially no growth in their high-end smartphones year over year). So yes, I would agree with you. The iPhone has crushed the competition and I really don't see any smartphone makers encroaching on Apple's position anytime soon. Perhaps they should take a page out of Toyota's book and create an entirely new "luxury/high-end" brand (which was Lexus for Toyota) and sell phones only in the high-end market, following Apple's model.
 
lol and that taste is????

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Maybe you can give us this standard definition

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Are you really comparing a Ferrari to an iPhone?!?! Lolol

An inessential, desirable item that is expensive or difficult to obtain:
"luxuries like raspberry vinegar and state-of-the-art CD players"
"he considers bananas a luxury"
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/luxury

High-end would be a synonym. I think most people would consider an iPhone a high-end smartphone when viewing the smartphone market.
 
I'm eager to see how they're defining higher end, assuming it's more than something that's different than what they'd use to delineate the iphone 6 (or whatever it's called) from the cheaper variation.
 
I hate the 5.5 but since when Apple care about competition "refining" their models? Did Apple care about how refine Nokia or Blackberry is when they introduce iPhone?

They are not chasing the competition. They are in the beginning stages of grabbing up marketshare in Asia. Asian markets demand large screen phones, much more so than in the US. Apple has only recently cemented major carrier partnerships on the continent (China Mobile, DoCoMo in Japan) so it makes sense that they would only now decide to release the larger screen phones. Basically the buyers of a 5.5" iPhone didn't exist for them before those deals. Now they do. Now the large phablet is released.
 
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