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Holiday Gifts Drive New iOS Device Activations Sharply Higher

SandynJosh said:
No one said a Nook was an Android-based product. However, if you owned a Fire and you wanted some apps, why would only Android apps run on it?
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The Nook is exactly the same case as the Kindle Fire, both of them are based on Android and can run Android programs but none of them are Android products.

SandynJosh said:
Someone in this thread mentioned that it's not so hard to write for the fragmented Android market because you just write for the lowest common denominator - like one size fits all. That's gotta really suck, unless you're running the oldest OS version with the smallest screen out there.
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And that claim is totally wrong, you only write apps for the lowest common denominator if you are a bad developer.
 
Shasterball said:
Does it take into account the fact that there will be a decrease in activations during December 1-20 as compared to your "average" 3 week period because of people holding off until Christmas? I would suspect you would see the same decrease in activations before a product release. Sounds like this would skew the numbers…
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Very good point.
December 25 numbers will be up. But the december 1-20 activations will average out the total activations in the quarter to roughly the same. So if the total quarter activations is up then I'll be impressed.
 
toolhouse said:
Showing Android as a single column hides the terrible fragmentation that actually exists on the Android platform.
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Nobody except for Apple's marketing department cares about that fragmentation. You know, the Windows market is even more fragmented than the Android market, but except for some people who have to sugarcoat their sales numbers, nobody cares for that either. OS X, Windows, Android and iOS are PLATFORMS, on which hardware they run is secondary. (And please, spare me the compatibility crap -- when you look at Apple's Mac App Store, you see how many compatibility issues exist even on that tiny portfolio of hardware products. There's a huge amount of people posting there that don't get software x running on their y Apple product.)

Germany has eight Applestores. Sweden has none. Maybe this makes a difference.
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In a time where people buy their stuff online, I strongly doubt that. People just don't go that much to churches anymore, at least not here in Europe. And Apple just isn't the big phenomenon here in Europe that it apparently is in the United States. Also, especially here in Germany, it's usually much harder to convince customers to pay a premium price for something. Nevertheless, many iPhone 4 users apparently have "upgraded" their phones to the new model, which probably accounts for most of those sales.
 
Winni said:
Nobody except for Apple's marketing department cares about that fragmentation. You know, the Windows market is even more fragmented than the Android market, but except for some people who have to sugarcoat their sales numbers, nobody cares for that either. OS X, Windows, Android and iOS are PLATFORMS, on which hardware they run is secondary. (And please, spare me the compatibility crap -- when you look at Apple's Mac App Store, you see how many compatibility issues exist even on that tiny portfolio of hardware products. There's a huge amount of people posting there that don't get software x running on their y Apple product.)



In a time where people buy their stuff online, I strongly doubt that. People just don't go that much to churches anymore, at least not here in Europe. And Apple just isn't the big phenomenon here in Europe that it apparently is in the United States. Also, especially here in Germany, it's usually much harder to convince customers to pay a premium price for something. Nevertheless, many iPhone 4 users apparently have "upgraded" their phones to the new model, which probably accounts for most of those sales.
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You'd be strongly wrong. The $10 - $15 Billion added to Apple's sales comes from their Stores. That is only growing. People indeed want to touch the merchandise before they buy it.

Once they've become accustomed to expect a certain reputation from a vendor they are more likely to then buy on-line first, in-store second. When the Stockholm store arrives it will be a big deal.
 
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My wife and I gave our pastor an iPad2. He wanted to buy himself one but instead chose an iPod for his son and an iPhone for his wife. He was pleasantly surprised. Felt good.
 
whatever said:
No, I'm not talking out of my butt.
It makes me laugh when I hear people say that Apple overcharges for their products.
It's only overcharging if people don't buy it. And we do.
If they did, then why would people be buying them. They couldn't keep the iPhone 4Gs in stock in most Apple Stores over the holidays. And is not an assumption, but fact.
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Just because people buy it doesn't mean it's not over priced. Can anyone here say with a straight face that Apple products aren't over priced? I understand what you're trying to say (if it was overpriced people wouldn't buy it) but saying it doesn't make it true. They ARE over priced..... Yet I and millions more still pay that price. I buy iPhone because it offers me what I want in a phone, not because of the affordable price. I suspect it's the same with most. IF I was worried about cost I certainly wouldn't be buying iPhone.
 
Nobody except for Apple's marketing department cares about that fragmentation.
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The average consumer probably does not, because they don't even know what it is. But Google themselves have taken steps already to help prevent fragmentation, such as delaying new versions to certain third party venders for instance.

Just because people buy it doesn't mean it's not over priced. Can anyone here say with a straight face that Apple products aren't over priced?
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I certainly can. In fact, some/most competitors can't compete price wise for the same type hardware on several products. The iPad for instance, along with the MacBook Airs. Either its subpar/cheap hardware at a price cheaper then Apple or Same/greater hardware then Apple sold at a higer price.
 
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JackAxe said:
Plenty to go around for healthy competition!

6.8 million Android and iOS devices were activated, 3.7 million of which were Android.
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I think there must be issues with this report because 3.7 million Android devices were activated in two days (Christmas eve and Christmas) and this report just covers Christmas day, so unless most of the activations were iOS then something is wrong.
 
Quite sad that some people here insist on taking good news for several companies and try to turn it, yet again, which platform is "better" or why the results are skewed.

It must be really hard to just look at a story like this and congratulate all companies involved for a successful holiday season.

Some of the back and forth on here reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp4uwCEUM0E
 
DroidRules said:
Just because people buy it doesn't mean it's not over priced. Can anyone here say with a straight face that Apple products aren't over priced? I understand what you're trying to say (if it was overpriced people wouldn't buy it) but saying it doesn't make it true. They ARE over priced..... Yet I and millions more still pay that price. I buy iPhone because it offers me what I want in a phone, not because of the affordable price. I suspect it's the same with most. IF I was worried about cost I certainly wouldn't be buying iPhone.
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With a straight face, Apple products are not overpriced. You just don't understand how to do proper comparison shopping.

Of course, Apple also stretches the lifetime of their products and near the end close to a refresh, they tend to be on the expensive side of the competition. But when you compare Apple products to the competition nearer a refresh, you tend to see they are market priced for features offered.

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linuxcooldude said:
I certainly can. In fact, some/most competitors can't compete price wise for the same type hardware on several products. The iPad for instance, along with the MacBook Airs. Either its subpar/cheap hardware at a price cheaper then Apple or Same/greater hardware then Apple sold at a higer price.
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Actually, other tablets are same/greater hardware sold at the same Apple prices. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is the same price and offers the same hardware quality as Apple's offering. Same for the Xoom.

Of course, you need to remove the Apple colored glasses to see it first. ;)
 
KnightWRX said:
With a straight face, Apple products are not overpriced. You just don't understand how to do proper comparison shopping.

Of course, Apple also stretches the lifetime of their products and near the end close to a refresh, they tend to be on the expensive side of the competition. But when you compare Apple products to the competition nearer a refresh, you tend to see they are market priced for features offered.
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I don't necc agree. I think where Apple excels/justifies higher costs is in the software/user experience itself.

Comparing specs between computers - you can often get much greater bang for your buck with a PC. People choose Apple though, even when more expensive because, again - of the software and user experience.

ETA: now phones/tablets I would agree with you on...mostly.
 
linuxcooldude said:
Seemingly not from the news reports I've been reading in 2011. These steps Google have been implemented have been fairly recent.
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You're talking about the Google IO keynote announcement in May this year. PR move.

Android is built in a way that fragmentation just doesn't really matter. OS updates are just kernel and VM updates, with a few new APIs thrown in. It's not like iOS where all the stock apps can't be upgraded outside of OS updates.

Comparing both platforms is assine, Android and iOS are like night and day.
 
Considering most of these are iPod Touches, it is pretty surprising what a simple $30 price drop and new color option can do.

Next year will probably be even bigger yet again, considering they will most likely redesign the iPod Touch and stick at least an A5 in there.
 
DroidRules said:
They ARE over priced.....
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I think you are making the classic mistake of thinking that because Apple chooses to claim the high end of the market range that they are somehow not a good value.

Apple simply chooses not to play in the zero margin low end of the market range, and their pricing business model is (as KnightWRX says) to keep the same price for the whole model lifespan.

Apple actually claimed the tabled market for the iPad by underpricing the competition.

EDIT: FWIW: If there was a vanilla ICS device with specs and cost right around the iPod touch I'd own it.

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samcraig said:
I don't necc agree. I think where Apple excels/justifies higher costs is in the software/user experience itself.

Comparing specs between computers - you can often get much greater bang for your buck with a PC. People choose Apple though, even when more expensive because, again - of the software and user experience.
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When they released the 2010 MBA, you would have been quite hard pressed to find a "greater bang for the buck" with a PC. You can get "bang for the buck" with a PC, but hardware wise, there will always be a couple of compromises.

When you cut out all of the compromises, if you aren't too late in a refresh cycle at Apple, the prices tend to be in the same order of magnitude (I don't call differences of 100-150$ on 1000$ "overpriced").
 
KnightWRX said:
Actually, other tablets are same/greater hardware sold at the same Apple prices. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is the same price and offers the same hardware quality as Apple's offering. Same for the Xoom.

Of course, you need to remove the Apple colored glasses to see it first.
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It appears you are still wearing yours, as I've said some/most manufactures and their are a lot of them. I do realize their are a few that do, but a very small minority.

What reports?
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http://www.notebookcheck.net/Google-to-prevent-further-fragmentations-of-Android-OS.50923.0.html
 
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What about Window 7 Mobile OS activations? Or Blackberry? :D

Looks like a good quarter for Apple and I'm guessing Samsung. There are so many Android manufactures and devices out there, it's hard to imagine that more than one or two of them really raked in a good result alone. I would think most are just continuing to dig a big hole of lost profits trying to play in theses markets.
 
linuxcooldude said:
It appears you are still wearing yours, as I've said some/most manufactures and their are a lot of them. I do realize their are a few that do, but a very small minority.
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Asus transformer, same hardware/quality as a iPad, lower price, some better features (the docking "laptop" mode). Acer Iconia, Toshiba Thrive tabs... I can go on.

What tablet is more expensive than the iPad exactly ? :confused:

Of course there are lower "quality" options, mostly from the chinese market. I'm not denying that part. No one counts those, they are just crap you shouldn't be buying in the first place. If your box has no english text on it and you're a citizen of the US, don't touch it.
 
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