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"equating HomePod's sound quality to a live performance."

Put this guy in front of some Martin Logans and his head will probably explode. lol, such hyperbole.

What makes you think that he haven't? And yes, his head better explode considering they cost several $ thousands.
 
Reviews from Apple homers. Can’t fully embrace. This is their latest marketing plan like with IPX. Bring couple people in that will say what Apple wants to hear.
 
Can you really be called a tech reviewer when you equate the sound from a small speaker to that of a live performance? This guy sucks.

Not to mention this was at 65% volume. 100% volume, it will probably knock all the pictures off my wall, and knock all of the china out of the china cabinet, haha. ;)

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I think the point is that if we allow the "but you can airplay" argument to apply so readily- which, by the way is jettisoning the "smart" half of a smart speaker- then it's just an airplay speaker. Airplay is available in all kinds of setups. My receiver has airplay. So let that be "good enough" and I definitely do NOT need HomePod as I can just airplay to what is very likely to be much better speakers via airplay.

I perceive the point of this thing is the "smart" piece. I don't think it can "win" on quality of sound for much beyond maybe a launch window because all of the competing players can always put a better speaker (hardware) into their cut of this kind of thing, just like you or I can quickly upgrade the speakers in our car by swapping out some hardware. The magic in all Apple products is the software. Strip iOS or macOS and you have mostly commodity hardware left over. Siri is the bulk of the brains in this smart speaker. Strip Siri because we're applying the airplay "solution" and what's left?

If we try to make this a "do everything" device via airplay, there are LOTS of alternatives for airplay, including many probably already in place in our homes... for far less than $349. For example, along with that receiver, I can airplay to my :apple:TV. I can buy 2 :apple:TVs for the price of 1 HomePod... and get all of the other :apple:TV benefits- including Siri voice controls with the very same Siri "can't see my own ripped content" limitations.

None of that is meant to put the product down, just point out how trying to make it much more appealing because- conceptually- we can airplay everything- is not the same as making up to everything work inside it. I can opt for Pandora on the :apple:TV if I like. Can I do that with HomePod? Apparently yes, via airplay, but is that the same? If the "smarts" are actually outsourced to other devices (the airplay source), does it become only a speaker at that point?

I agree that not being able to use HomePod's integrated Siri to call up ripped music from a Mac (without an Apple Music subscription) is a limitation, but this isn't really "jettisoning the 'smart' half of the smart speaker" because all the other 'smart' Siri functionality (timers, reminders, messages, weather etc) still works.

The main point I have been trying to make is that, contrary to what a lot of people are saying, you CAN use a HomePod to play more than just purchased iTunes tracks without a Apple Music subscription, albeit by having to use AirPlay. A constraint, yes, but not a big enough constraint to stop me cancelling my pre-order. YMMV.
 
Electrostatic speakers are another world. Fabulous fidelity. Very expensive and delicate.
I'll have to try them someday. With a subwoofer as I understand that bass isn't brilliant. This is what I think will be the main limitation of the Homepod, (and other small speakers). If they have bass, I suspect it'll be boomy one note bass.
Once you've listened to extended low bass, on any genre of music, it's hard to go back.
 
Truly shocking that a $2000 speaker sounds better than a $350 home assistant.
Agreed, but $2000 you mention is probably closer to the cost of shipping and installing the speakers than to the price of the speakers themselves: Martin Logan electrostatic loudspeakers. Audiophile prices can get into luxury automobile territory pretty easily. (Note that you'd need similar outlay on the necessary amplifiers to drive such speakers properly, as well.)
 
To all of you who are so critical of the HomePod's sound; have you even heard it, personally? Most who have, in fact, heard it, are raving about the sound. If I take their words for it, it seems like a great speaker for its price - plus you get siri aspect of it on top of it.
 
a few websites have gotten the chance to spend an hour or so with the speaker

What does this mean - in an Apple designed, acoustically optimized room? Of course its going to sound good.

I'm not suggesting it does or does not sound good, but without some context, these reviews mean very, very little regarding sound quality.
 
These aren’t reviews. A review is someone having the device for more than an hour and able to play whatever they want on it.
I laughed at the "upwards of five songs" - why not just say, "only half a dozen songs". The "upwards" sounds like the "reviewer" was really reaching.
 
I'll have to try them someday. With a subwoofer as I understand that bass isn't brilliant. This is what I think will be the main limitation of the Homepod, (and other small speakers). If they have bass, I suspect it'll be boomy one note bass.
Once you've listened to extended low bass, on any genre of music, it's hard to go back.
Most are equipped with a woofer in the base, depending on the model. It’s difficult to truly, “test drive,” them unless you experience them in a treated room or actual home environment. Like anything, at any showroom setting there is little justice with lots of empty space.
 
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I'd like to see some opposite reviews, if only for balance.

Also, what's with the 'two first name' brands? Is that what it takes to sound elite? If I create a brand named something like 'Bill Peter' or 'Terry Phil' for in-home theater speakers, can I astronomically mark them up under the guise of exclusivity?
 
You know, I'd sure like to believe that. Nowhere has it been described that it can do this, we are just assuming that having AirPlay 2 is enough to support this mode and it better or I will be returning mine.

Having said that, the specs say the speaker supports Bluetooth 5... what's the point of Bluetooth if I cannot stream any of my personal music to it? So at the least that better work. But BT has distance limitations, not to mention audio quality issues, so personal music streamed over wi-fi is a MUST.

The 9to5Mac article states that the HomePod has AirPlay: "it will still be possible to AirPlay the Spotify app using a nearby iOS device to the HomePod".
 
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Hate to tell you but HomePod uses tiny drivers too

Not compared to the Sonos. The single bass driver in the HomePod will outputmore than the two dinky mid-bass drivers in the Sonos One.

no offense but your not a audiophile if you think it is plenty good. these are great for background music

I said good. I didn’t say amazing, incredible or outstanding. No offense, but I think your understanding of the English language needs improvement.
 
I agree that not being able to use HomePod's integrated Siri to call up ripped music from a Mac (without an Apple Music subscription) is a limitation, but this isn't really "jettisoning the 'smart' half of the smart speaker" because all the other 'smart' Siri functionality (timers, reminders, messages, weather etc) still works.

The main point I have been trying to make is that, contrary to what a lot of people are saying, you CAN use a HomePod to play more than just purchased iTunes tracks without a Apple Music subscription, albeit by having to use AirPlay. A constraint, yes, but not a big enough constraint to stop me cancelling my pre-order. YMMV.

Hopefully, you didn't read anything I wrote like a call to cancel an order (or buy one). That's not the point of posting- at least IMO. A lack of any one desirable feature to any of us shouldn't make it useless for all of us... just as keying on some discrete & unique feature within shouldn't make it the ONLY smart speaker option for all of us too.

That particular feature is VERY important to me. The vast majority of my iTunes music is ripped from my CDs. I don't have an AM subscription, nor want one. As soon as "but you can airplay" comes into the equation, I've already got airplay options in relative abundance, already hooked to what I'm personally confident are far superior speakers.

Your points about the rest of the smarts have merit. However, from whatever one is airplaying, does that thing NOT already have Siri such that we can already do all that? Again, not trying to get you or anyone to cancel an order (nor go buy one either)- just pointing out that it's mostly a matter of wanting one, not needing one (and nothing wrong or right about that either) and individual circumstances. For example, while I'm already well equipped with airplay and great speakers including :apple:TV with voice-command Siri already in place, not everyone is set up that way. For those that may want a great speaker in a room with none... or those with no good airplay + speaker option in place now... or those wanting an Echo or Google smart speaker made by Apple, this can fit their wants as close to (their view of) perfectly as they choose to see it.

Sorry if you read something I wrote like I was encouraging a cancel. I'm just asking questions, trying to correct or challenge sometimes wild, well-beyond-anything-Apple-has-said spin, and/or see what else I can learn about this new product myself. Personally, I'm very excited about HomePod... not so much for the product itself (my bases there are probably already covered), but for the hope that Apple has significantly upgraded Siri's brains, and that those brains will be dispersed to the rest of the Apple product line ASAP.
 
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Honestly... Good sound is good sound. Like you said, the average consumer like me does think Bose and Beats sound good. I also know what BAD sound is. If the vocals are crisp and the bass is rich and I can hear the instruments clearly, that’s good for me.

I feel like some audiophiles don’t even enjoy the music because some are too busy trying to hear someone’s breathing on a song or a specific guitar pluck. Seems a little obsessive at times.

It’s possible to have great sound and not spend thousands of dollars.

Same thing with food and clothing. I love Red Lobster, but know there is much better out there.
You had me up to Red Lobster :)
 
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Not compared to the Sonos. The single bass driver in the HomePod will outputmore than the two dinky mid-bass drivers in the Sonos One.



I said good. I didn’t say amazing, incredible or outstanding. No offense, but I think your understanding of the English language needs improvement.

The HomePod does not have a bass driver. Just a midrange.

Have a good day. People like you are unable to have a polite discussion. Someone disagrees with you. You insult them.
 
You know, I'd sure like to believe that. Nowhere has it been described that it can do this, we are just assuming that having AirPlay 2 is enough to support this mode and it better or I will be returning mine.

Having said that, the specs say the speaker supports Bluetooth 5... what's the point of Bluetooth if I cannot stream any of my personal music to it? So at the least that better work. But BT has distance limitations, not to mention audio quality issues, so personal music streamed over wi-fi is a MUST.
I have seen lots of reports that say you can use it as an airplay speaker (even Apple talked briefly about this when they announced it). But for me that isn't enough, I already have Speakers/AMPS/Airport Expresses all round the house. To be worth while to me it needs to be able to play stuff on youtube and Spotify without having my phone to hand.
 
First Question: No

According to the threads yesterday and the reports, the HomePod will ONLY play iTunes purchased music and NOT imported music to iTunes.

You can play iTunes purchased music without AM subscription though.
Well... that’s a deal-breaker. Most of my music is ripped, and I don’t have AM.
 
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