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If you have to finance $350, you can’t afford it under any circumstances.
Absolutely agree -- they can't afford the HomePod.

But do not underestimate the savvy of financially hard-pressed Apple acolytes.
They may fall to the installment-loan trap, with Cook enticing them with "less than a cup of coffee a-day".

And for Cook, tying AppleMusic subscription revenues to sluggish HomePod sales, will surper-charge the income derived from both Apple Services and the "Other" category.

A win-win to Cook./s
 
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I have a $30 Dot. Plugged into an astonishingly good set of speakers.

Can HomePoo do that?

Oh, I guess not. Audio jack is old tech.

Apple jumped the shark long ago at that Beats moment.
First off, the HomePod is a great speaker with a small footprint. Because of their focus on sound quality in this form factor, it will never have more market share than the Dot which is often on sale even though it costs less than $50 to begin with. The article doesn't mention that Google practically gave away their minis. I got one with a coupon from Best Buy that pretty much covered the entire cost. No, Apple has never cared about market share. They care about making great products with higher margins.

With Airplay 2, you can take advantage of the HomePod with your main system. It can tell the AppleTV what to play. I have a HomePod sitting between 3 areas (kitchen, dining, and living room) thanks to its 360 degree array of speakers. It is great for convenience when I am in the kitchen or eating a meal. If I am on the couch in the living room, I can tell it to play whatever I want through my main system thanks to its ability to control Apple Music on the AppleTV.

The main advantages to the AppleTV and Homepod combo versus Dot + sound system is that the AppleTV can send out a digital signal and use the better DACs in my receiver versus the crappy DAC in the cheap Dot. Secondly, the HomePod's microphones are superior. I don't have to scream at the top of my lungs for it to hear me when music is playing. It can just hear me over the music.

I own Dots and love them...especially for remote controlling my system via the Simple Control app...but they aren't ideal for sound quality whether they are being plugged into a great system or on their own...and having to scream over the music for it to (hopefully) hear me, kills the mood.
 
I can listen to every song I’ve ever added to my iTunes collection thanks to Apple Music ability to match/upload your library

Good point, but your matched music is at a lower quality than my cd ripped music.
Plus, why do I have to pay to listen to music I already own?
I don't need Apple Music nor do I want yet another monthly fee.
 
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Other than my starter Power Computing clone....I’ve been all in with Apple...had the HomePod on Day 1 .....imagine my nausea when the incomprehensible fact that the 16+ gigs of iTunes music I have purchased over time and dozens of playlists created would not be easily accessible, nor would i be able to use voice commands to launch playlists....

Apples model with HomePod is to force users into paying a monthly “vig” and it repulses me...

Being a photographer, this is reminiscent of the camera file format wars where each manufacturer naively tried to keep
users of their cameras in their sandbox and out of Adobes....the defacto standard digital processing tools.....by not releasing their SDK’s for image processing.... they proudly marched their ignorance around for about 6 months....give or take....then market forces shamed them into doing the right thing....

Sadly Apple is too self absorbed and omnipotent to succumb to our whining.
 
Good point, but your matched music is at a lower quality than my cd ripped music.
Plus, why do I have to pay to listen to music I already own?
I don't need Apple Music nor do I want yet another monthly fee.
You don’t have to pay, but it is convenient to many people.
 
If they could somehow get the price down to $249 while keeping the same sound quality, I'd buy one immediately.
 
It seems odd to compare sales of a $350 speaker to Amazon’s offerings, which if I recall, have occasionally sold for one tenth that price.

Not really. Sure Apple tries to market it as a HiFi device, ecosystem-wise its equivalents are Amazon Echo and Google Home, most people won’t get a speaker for $300+, just get a soundbar for the TV for $250 and call it a day.

I think 6% is still impressive, considering that it is:
1. Very expensive compared to other smart speakers
2. Siri is very bad compared to other smart assistants
 
I hesitated for a while, but I love both of mine. Sounds great, Siri has been great, HomeKit and automation have been perfect. I replaced 3 Echo's with 2 HomePod's and haven't looked back.
And I’m about to buy a 3rd! One part of my Home is too distant to ask Siri to put something on my shopping list, to turn a light on or off, to play some music, to set a timer, to give me the news, to send a text message, to ask the weather forecast, to tell me what I have on for the week.
 
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I finally saw one of these in the Apple Store, but there was no way to test it out and get a feel for out because the store is so loud and it runs on Siri.
 
One aspect that hasn't been discussed much here is the desire for Privacy and dislike for having a speaker that sends data from the home to a parent company that then sells and distributes the content. Apple has held the line on Privacy so far, with Cook re-emphasizing that aspect of their services in June. I appreciate that Apple is maintaining personal data in an anonymous form and keeping that data in their own, controllable ecosystem. It would not be pleasant to find that personal conversations/behavior in your home has been sold, hacked, or otherwise transmitted to third parties without your permission as has occurred with other brands of speakers owned by Amazon and Google.

That said, we have really enjoyed our HomePods and believe the sound (particularly with stereo) to be superior. Apple Music at $9.99/month is not an issue since it is the same price as other services. Music fans who say that they don't want another monthly fee (I agree with that sentiment:0) will spend far more, on average, per month, to add to their music libraries rather than just using the AM streaming service or, like most of us, AM plus our own libraries. I haven't had to purchase new music since I started AM since everything I've wanted is there.

As to HP becoming "obsolete"? I don't see how. They might come out with new ones, but that doesn't mean that what you have has to be replaced. We are still using an older Sonos system in our main TV area.

Siri does everything we need it to do, and getting better on all devices. With friends who have complained of occasional glitches, I've found that it is typically a problem with their wifi coverage and that installing a mesh system resolved the "Siri problem".
 
I see what they’re trying to do. Evidently the profit-margin for all the crap Apple now sells that not only is NOT a real computer, but which doesn’t need one is higher than the one for their computers.

If you’re Apple, and you can sell someone a $2000 high-end Mac, and from the proceeds of that sale must pay for all the work that supports it, updating all the bits and pieces of MacOS-X, etcetera etcetera etcetera, OR, you can sell someone a $400 Apple iWatch, a $400 Apple iHomePadPod or whatever, a $750 iPad with a $100 leather (sort of) case, and another $100 spent buying an iPencil, a $200 pair of headphones, a, and then be the only one who can sell music to use with/on most of those devices... oh, and I almost forgot a defective-by-design iPhone missing a headphone jack... (you know, so you can’t use your wired headphones you already have, already paid for, and that work just fine thankyouverymuch?) plus, (almost forgot,) an iApple iTV and Apple iRemote iControl, (and get a cut of every TV show and movie you watch, plus be able to know more about you to help target ads at you further increasing revenue,) and end up moving almost a thousand dollars more merchandise, each modular component of which, when it inevitabally fails shortly after the warranty expires, you will feel less reluctant to replace with another defective-by-design, designed-to-fail, already-obsolete-before-it-went-on-sale, overpriced POS, where each piece has a higher profit margin and lower costs to you to maintain, the choice is obvious.

Similarly, the choice for me is obvious, and that choice is not to give Apple another penny of my money.

I came to AppleWerld because of the Mac, because what I needed was a computer and what I WANTED was one that worked with the iPhone, because I was tired of watching my Android (Pain in the Ass POS) phone try and fail over and over again, at critical moments when I needed it to be able to be a phone, to BE a PHONE, (and no, I did NOT root it, and it wasn’t cheap either) which is a requirement I have for anything that is supposed to be a phone. I know, I’m weird that way.

But I will not be lured or tricked down the Apple rabbit-hole of squandering even more money so Apple can buy more land in one of the most expensive places on Earth, and put fancy stupid buildings on it that they don’t need, paying them, REWARDING THEM for slowly abandoning the Mac, (since it’s more expensive and users expect it to last more than 2 years, and won’t pay, throwing good money after bad, to replace them when they inevitably fail over and over again, unlike how they do for their iPhones and iPads and iTVs and their iRemotes and and iHeadphones or iBuds or AirPods or I AirPorts or iWatches and iPods (oh, did we forget them? Apple seems to have,) which in a sense stop working when Apple decides they will, which should be illegal, through the mechanism of Apple deciding they’re “vintage” and refusing to supply software updates for them anymore,) which is what they’re obviously doing.
 
I see what they’re trying to do. Evidently the profit-margin for all the crap Apple now sells that not only is NOT a real computer, but which doesn’t need one is higher than the one for their computers.

If you’re Apple, and you can sell someone a $2000 high-end Mac, and from the proceeds of that sale must pay for all the work that supports it, updating all the bits and pieces of MacOS-X, etcetera etcetera etcetera, OR, you can sell someone a $400 Apple iWatch, a $400 Apple iHomePadPod or whatever, a $750 iPad with a $100 leather (sort of) case, and another $100 spent buying an iPencil, a $200 pair of headphones, a, and then be the only one who can sell music to use with/on most of those devices... oh, and I almost forgot a defective-by-design iPhone missing a headphone jack... (you know, so you can’t use your wired headphones you already have, already paid for, and that work just fine thankyouverymuch?) plus, (almost forgot,) an iApple iTV and Apple iRemote iControl, (and get a cut of every TV show and movie you watch, plus be able to know more about you to help target ads at you further increasing revenue,) and end up moving almost a thousand dollars more merchandise, each modular component of which, when it inevitabally fails shortly after the warranty expires, you will feel less reluctant to replace with another defective-by-design, designed-to-fail, already-obsolete-before-it-went-on-sale, overpriced POS, where each piece has a higher profit margin and lower costs to you to maintain, the choice is obvious.

Similarly, the choice for me is obvious, and that choice is not to give Apple another penny of my money.

I came to AppleWerld because of the Mac, because what I needed was a computer and what I WANTED was one that worked with the iPhone, because I was tired of watching my Android (Pain in the Ass POS) phone try and fail over and over again, at critical moments when I needed it to be able to be a phone, to BE a PHONE, (and no, I did NOT root it, and it wasn’t cheap either) which is a requirement I have for anything that is supposed to be a phone. I know, I’m weird that way.

But I will not be lured or tricked down the Apple rabbit-hole of squandering even more money so Apple can buy more land in one of the most expensive places on Earth, and put fancy stupid buildings on it that they don’t need, paying them, REWARDING THEM for slowly abandoning the Mac, (since it’s more expensive and users expect it to last more than 2 years, and won’t pay, throwing good money after bad, to replace them when they inevitably fail over and over again, unlike how they do for their iPhones and iPads and iTVs and their iRemotes and and iHeadphones or iBuds or AirPods or I AirPorts or iWatches and iPods (oh, did we forget them? Apple seems to have,) which in a sense stop working when Apple decides they will, which should be illegal, through the mechanism of Apple deciding they’re “vintage” and refusing to supply software updates for them anymore,) which is what they’re obviously doing.
[doublepost=1533226965][/doublepost].....and how do you really feel about Apple?;)
 
Wait at least until the 2nd or 3rd generation of HomePods before gauging its true potential success, if it can potentially catch up with The Big Boy competitors (e.g. Echo).

The First Version (of any new tech hardware) is always just the appetizer. Not very many are going to bite.
 
Other than my starter Power Computing clone....I’ve been all in with Apple...had the HomePod on Day 1 .....imagine my nausea when the incomprehensible fact that the 16+ gigs of iTunes music I have purchased over time and dozens of playlists created would not be easily accessible, nor would i be able to use voice commands to launch playlists....

Apples model with HomePod is to force users into paying a monthly “vig” and it repulses me...

Being a photographer, this is reminiscent of the camera file format wars where each manufacturer naively tried to keep
users of their cameras in their sandbox and out of Adobes....the defacto standard digital processing tools.....by not releasing their SDK’s for image processing.... they proudly marched their ignorance around for about 6 months....give or take....then market forces shamed them into doing the right thing....

Sadly Apple is too self absorbed and omnipotent to succumb to our whining.


Exactly!
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You don’t have to pay, but it is convenient to many people.

Well I do have to pay if I want to listen to music on the HomePod. That’s why I returned my pair.

Also because I couldn’t watch tv with it.
 
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Love mine

Bought a 2nd yesterday

No surprise sales are a lot better after air play 2 and stereo pairing is out

Plus calendar appointments and phone calls coming soon..it’s certainly on the up and getting better with time.

Agree. Bought my second as soon as Airplay 2 came out. Surprisingly use OTHER than music more than I expected. The additions of calendar and phone will increase that use more—when my Belkin Wemo plugs upgraded last week—another use added with Homekit. And music with stereo is as I hoped.
 
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Exactly!
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Well I do have to pay iff I want to listen to music on the HomePod. That’s why I returned my pair.

Also because I couldn’t watch tv with it.
With AirPlay you can listen to your iPhone or iTunes library at no charge.
 
I will buy one the minute they get it down to $199. If they have to sacrifice a little sound quality and call it a HomePod Mini to get it done, I'm okay with that. But that's the sweet spot price point, in my opinion.

I mainly just want a way to control HomeKit when my phone is in the other room. My Series 2 watch does the job, but it's far too slow to respond for it to be useful right now.


obviously, not an audiophile. the sound quality on HomePod is outstanding, worth the price and $50 cheaper than google's equivalent.
 
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Absolutely agree -- they can't afford the HomePod.

But do not underestimate the savvy of financially hard-pressed Apple acolytes.
They may fall to the installment-loan trap, with Cook enticing them with "less than a cup of coffee a-day".

And for Cook, tying AppleMusic subscription revenues to sluggish HomePod sales, will surper-charge the income derived from both Apple Services and the "Other" category.

A win-win to Cook./s
Every time Apple releases a new product, someone like you comes on her to ridicule it and try to make others feel bad or stupid for owning it. This happened with the Watch, and that seems to be doing quite well as now too.

Would it kill you to realize that others own a Homepod, and really enjoy it? The cost is minuscule compared to how much my wife and I enjoy and use ours.
 
This as a family of products has great potential. I bet there are more stand-alone speakers in the world than even smart phones.

Hopefully Apple will try, try again. Maybe:
  • hear the dominant gripes about this crack at it,
  • build closely-related products that segments are trying to make this cover too,
  • opt for more consumer utility/flexibility over "lock 'em in as tight as we can" strategy, and
  • take a lesson or two (or seven) from quality competitors that have been at this for many more years.
I know they CAN do all that. The question is will they?

dominant gripes? seems like their market share is pretty darn good for a product that no-one likes according to you. I love mine, great sound quality, as measured by actual audiophiles with like, testing equipment. Stream anything to it from my iPhone. "Lock-in" that is actually the appeal not the hindrance you make it to be. No other manufacturer integrates features across a product line like Apple, wish they would, but they don't. That is why people who do apple, usually do buy-in to the ecosystem. e.g. I can control my HomePod via Siri, my Mac, my Apple Watch, my iPhone. I can find an article on my phone, jump over to my Mac and open it. copy and paste between devices. Sure Windows added Continuum, but its nowhere near the depth of integration.

Maybe the appeal will not be to non-Apple users, but who cares?
 
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