Regardless TouchID is a superior method. It's fast (especially on the 7/7 plus and MacBook Pro) and convenient. On the iPhone 6 it was too sensitive to oil and sweat. It would give me a hard time working indoors. With the 7 there are no longer any problems. It's really a shame they can't incorporate it under the glass. That would be extremely impressive. I hope they don't give up on it. Going from touchID to "faceID" to go back to touchID under the screen would be ridiculous.
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Regardless TouchID is a superior method. It's fast (especially on the 7/7 plus and MacBook Pro) and convenient. On the iPhone 6 it was too sensitive to oil and sweat. It would give me a hard time working indoors. With the 7 there are no longer any problems. It's really a shame they can't incorporate it under the glass. That would be extremely impressive. I hope they don't give up on it. Going from touchID to "faceID" to go back to touchID under the screen would be ridiculous.
Totally agree, been waiting for an edge-to-edge screen since the iPhone 6, but to do it now and to get rid of TouchID just feels like they waited until the last possible moment and are now scrambling.
Like I said, I think Apple had great plans for this phone, but dragged their feet and are now out of time.
For those who say you can use apple pay with passcode, surely that defeats the point of contactless payment. I'd end up with a better user experience from the plastic bank card in my wallet that costs pennies to make and I get for free.
I honestly think that Touch ID will be there in some form come September.
Finally the rumour mill is heating up after months of bezel and top notch talk! It's starting to feel like an iPhone launch again!
P.s. Has the UK preorder thread started?
It will be there on the 7s/7s plus. I really hope they don't make a complete mess with their lineup. It's possible that this OLED 8 won't even be released this year. Anything is possible.
I still don't see how facial recognition would work with sunglasses. I would wager that a large portion of people wear those anytime they are outside. I sure do.
You're correct, but the only reason Apple would have to get rid of TouchID is that they couldn't crack the tech. There is literally NO other reason, the tech exists Vivo proved it. What upsets me the most is they had so much time to do this, having had the 6 design for an extra year. Maybe I had higher expectations than I should have, but when you take extra time like that I expect something revolutionary, not something that feels rushed to market.
I don't think there's a single person here that doesn't believe the iPhone 8 doesn't have TouchID under the display, the 8S will. I find it pointless to remove it, only to reintroduce it.
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Haha totally agree. Tim's a good businessman, great for stock prices, but lacks the passion/revolutionary vision Steve had.
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That angle is by far my biggest gripe with using facial recognition over a fingerprint sensor. If you could pick up your phone casually like we do now and it automatically detects your face and unlocks your phone (and is obviously as accurate), than I'm 100% on board, get rid of TouchID. But if it's gonna look like I'm taking a selfie every time I wanna check my email, than hell no. I'd rather have it on the back and smudge my camera lens than look like some narcissistic teenage girl.
Right now on my desk I can unlock my iPhone with my index finger. I then select my next song or Spotify station at a glance while staying in front of my keyboard. With the facial unlock I'll have to hover my face directly over the camera everytime I want to unlock the iPhone. I really doubt the facial or retinal recognition will work unless your face is centered over the front of the iPhone 8. That's a major inconvenience
If no TouchID, it will be curious to see how it will take FaceID to complete Apple Pay or other kinds of authentication.
Don't forget, it'll also be on the 8S!
If the 8 isn't released with TouchID under the display, the 8S will. Mark my words. Someone refer to this next August!
Don't forget, it'll also be on the 8S!
If the 8 isn't released with TouchID under the display, the 8S will. Mark my words. Someone refer to this next August!
I find it unlikely, unless they put touchID in iPhone 8 this year, either on the back or on the power button.
They can't remove touchID in 2017, praise faceID as an alternative and then announce touchID is back in 2018 because they were finally able to embed it under the display.
I’m talking about my personal purchasing priorities. I can stomp my feet as much as I damn please.
Apple has lots of money, but they’re not above releasing rubbish. Remember Apple Maps? Or the iPad G3 which many people went and paid $1000+ for, only for Apple to obsolete it six months later? Remember how awesome Siri was supposed to be?!
Don’t drink the kool-aid. Apple is not magic. They don’t have facial recognition which is as secure and reliable as TouchID.
Don’t get duped by the marketing. Wait and you’ll soon see people returning them. It’s one of those things which sounds good until you try and integrate it in to your day.
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You mean like they couldn’t make the tall iPhone 5, claiming it is the perfect size for a smartphone, and then make the iPhone 6 available in two different sizes?
Or like they released the G3 iPad, claiming it was the best device they could build, before showing up 6 months later with another new model with significant internal upgrades?
Apple is a corporation. Don’t imbue them with human traits like honesty. They would screw every last one of us over and not bat an eyelid about it.
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TouchID is about security. If they sell a phone with FaceID only this year and tell you is as secure as TouchID (if they support Apple pay it have to be secure) they can't go back to touchID after only one or two years.
If FaceID is secure and fast why putting TouchID back? Because it is more secure? It would be like admitting they shipped something not secure enough.
And it would be confusing as well. You learn to use touchID, then you have to forget about it and rely on face recognition, then you go back to fingerprint?
I'd like touchID to stay, so they can put it under the display as soon as it is a viable option. But if they ditch it it will be gone for a long time, if not forever
Agree, just like the headphone port, if touchID is removed from the flagship iphone, it's gone forever in other future iphones. The rumored 7S+ seems like it might a decent device if it has Promotion, just as fast CPU/GPU, and hopefully better battery life while retaining TouchID. Apple may just cheap out and only upgrade the CPU/GPU and call it a day though...
I'm sure facial recognition will be neat but it's not a substitute for Touch ID.
No Touch ID and I'll just stick with my 6S another year. I'm perfectly ok with that.
No Touch ID and I'll just stick with my 6S another year. I'm perfectly ok with that.
I would agree with you, but I truly believe fingerprint sensors under the display are the way of the future. Facial recognition is promising, but until you can casually open your phone without holding it to your face like you're taking a selfie, fingerprint sensors will be the most convenient verification method. They're just too practical and reliable right now to eliminate completely.
Also, I think Apple always intended to embed TouchID under the screen of the 8, which means they would have devoted a lot of time and money to R&D. I have a hard time believing they would just throw all that away.
You have no basis for saying it is "superior, regardless".
I think you lack understanding of what the user experience will be like when using Face ID. Spoiler Alert: If it is what I think it is, it will be almost indistinguishable from using Touch ID.
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Way too many things wrong with this post to even break it apart.
I think Apple has designed iPhone 8 from the start without Touch ID, which has led to confusion over it in the media/supply chain, all of whom are trying to be the one to tell the world what is happening.
Yes, hopefully! As I, just like MILLIONS of others wear glasses. A friend just got an S8 and we were all checking out the facial unlocking. “Whoah! It’s really fast!” Got him to put my (very normal) glasses on - total fail. No unlock for you!
Dropping TouchID isn’t like when Apple dropped optical drives or Ethernet, dare I say even headphone jack... IF this happens it will be the first time I can think of where Apple are forcing a change that they themselves don’t want simply to hit a launch window...
This is how the world thinks and the usual response. Sorrry. But I had this feeling Apple was a bit different. Like with all those accessibility features. I actually unlock my phone in the car – without looking – all the time. Speed is super fast, it's reliable, still it could be improved by being able to unlock with wet hands or in the water. But now a new technology arrives and I bet there will be a lot of new and serious problems. Mark my words. Really.
Yeah, ok, but let's be real. That's a pretty infrequent scenario.If you're visually impaired and use accessibility features instead of looking at the screen all the time... seems to me you'd still need to unlock the phone?
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I guess we'll see. I would hope that it's sophisticated enough to be able to work in your scenario. If not, I think they will have really blown it getting rid of touchID.
You're limited by optics, they're going to have to put a super wide angle lens (while adding thickness and bulk - all blasphemy in Apple's world) on the front facing camera if they want this to work on my scenario.
I brought this up before and people seem to be ignoring it in a way. We have heard zero rumors of Apple talking with banks and stores about using "FaceID" as an alternative to TouchID. Surely banks/stores would be in talks with Apple to make sure this technology is secure enough to use as a payment option. Yes, one person mentioned you can still use Apple Pay with your passcode, however, as someone else mentioned that basically ruins Apple Pay by making it super slow. Think how fast TouchID is vs. typing your passcode in...especially when you have a custom numeric passcode like I do that is 14 digits long. I can type my passcode fast but not near as a fast as just touching my finger to a sensor.
If banks and stores drop Apple Pay because they do not trust "FaceID" as a secure payment method, well...Apple truly has fu**ed up! I have to believe TouchID is on this iPhone somewhere. I pray to God it is embedded in the screen OR I would not mind it being in the elongated power button, however, if it is on the back...the iPhone X/8/Pro or whatever it is called will be a huge flop.
It is just my thought, but come on think about it! Apple would have to renegotiate its Apple Pay contracts with the banks and retailers to include "FaceID" as a secure method that the banks and stores will accept!
If banks and stores drop Apple Pay because they do not trust "FaceID" as a secure payment method, well...Apple truly has fu**ed up! I have to believe TouchID is on this iPhone somewhere. I pray to God it is embedded in the screen OR I would not mind it being in the elongated power button, however, if it is on the back...the iPhone X/8/Pro or whatever it is called will be a huge flop.
It is just my thought, but come on think about it! Apple would have to renegotiate its Apple Pay contracts with the banks and retailers to include "FaceID" as a secure method that the banks and stores will accept!
I think we’ve all overlooked the fact that Apple could roll out, to those who want it, a physical Touch ID button that connects via the Lightning port, and it will be a $39.99 dongle.