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Another assistant loaded speaker that is really not needed.
Exactly. In my ideal scenario, they prioritized cost and stripped features, focusing only on music quality as well as Air Play 2 streaming. We all have phones on us all of the time, why do I need a box tethered to a wall to talk to?
 
The "real" Apple products start around $4000 these days.
I will eagerly await the iFixIt teardown to have a look at the quality Hi/Fi components.

With todays microphones and DSP chips everyone tries to make a $4 speaker sound like a high-end audiophile thing.
This is basically signal processing at its finest.
No reason to take this serious.
 
Your fellow consumers have tried in many HomePod threads to all but assure that a bunch of these in a room could yield a great surround sound setup. However, Apple themselves have never said anything about these being surround speakers. Best we've seen from Apple is two of them in the same room can coordinate for stereo.

Sonos home theater systems are built to be more toward what you seek. The comparison of HomePod to Sonos is trying to shift the price arguments to something where $349 doesn't look really high. HomePod is probably deluxe Echo at best, not a real Sonos home theater setup equivalent. But since Sonos has some speakers that cost more than HomePod, "we" really want to compare HomePod to Sonos so "we" can win some kind of pricing comparison.

It sounds like you already have a great system. If it's aesthetics that bother you, perhaps you can creatively hide your speakers. If its sound is overwhelming, turn it down? If it's quality of output, maybe change your receiver or feed it different source content? If you want something more like HomePod, unhook speakers to get it down toward 1.1 sound and you'll likely get closer (but your .1 will probably beat the tiny .1 equivalent in this thing).

I suggest you consider something more like the Google Home Mini or Echo Dot. Hook the superior brains of Google or Alexa into your existing setup and get the bulk of the benefits with the far superior speakers you probably already have in place. Bonus: instead of having to fake stereo sound from a tiny little singular box, you are set up for REAL stereo sound with speakers reasonably distant from each other. A product like Home Mini or Dot may get you most of what you think you might get from Homepod, feeding what is almost certainly better quality speakers (already in place) with real stereo, not faux.
It's not the end of the world really, but I would like a HomePod in my Kitchen, and maybe another one in my living room but it would maybe make more sense to integrate it into a home theatre setup. I have tower speakers at the front which don't help in taking over the room and my system is always going to sound better, but I would love to downsize a bit and if the HomePod ever gets this functionality it would do the job superbly. We shall wait and see I suppose!
 
I bought my echo because I wanted a Bluetooth speaker in the kitchen and it was around the same price as a decent non-assistant Bluetooth speaker. I like it because it can pause and play my music/podcast when I’m cooking or my hands are dirty or I’m washing dishes. It’s also cool for asking about weather and snow accumulation. Is it necessary? No. But I love the convienence. Personally, I’d be surprised if Apple’s was better than Amazon’s. I think it’ll take 5 years for them to catch up.

But would you pay Apple premium price for it ? I have a soundbar on my TV that has bluetooth connectivity that my iPhone can connect to. The iPhone can do all that other stuff you mention already. I just don't see how manufacturers expect to shift these in any volume. Right this minute I'm using my iPhone as a speaker to play music - its got great sound quality better than my mac. (The soundbar is in another room)
 
And again...this is not just an assistant speaker

This is a sounds system.

Why people continue to not realise this is worrying.

Perhaps because of the lack of meaningful detail from Apple coupled with the potential misinformation Apple Support is spreading?
 
Regarding the mono/stereo debate: this article from The Verge has more information about the type of processing that's going on what what the HomePod outputs. The gist of it is that the HomePod does a different form of sound-staging and separation than traditional stereo. The whole point of stereo is to create the illusion of discrete sounds in space. The traditional method of creating those discrete sounds in space has been multiple speakers physically separated from each other.

With modern beam-forming technology, it's possible to create discrete sounds in space from multiple speakers in one enclosure. Apple could have chosen to apply the beam-forming technology and multiple speakers to duplicate the effects of two physically separated speakers. Instead, though, they're using signal analysis and processing to pick out what they call different "aspects" of music and are using beam-forming to place those different salient aspects (such as a piano, a vocal, or a guitar) in space. So it (theoretically, we'll have to wait and see how it does in practice) achieves the same goals as stereo sound, but it doesn't use the same recreation methods as stereo sound.

But Apple does provide the option of pairing two HomePods, applying their analysis to left and right tracks separately.

So is a single HomePod mono? In effect, not really. The multiple speakers in the HomePod doesn't serve the purpose of multiple drivers in a traditional loudspeaker, which are for splitting up the frequencies across the drivers. Rather each seems to be a fully discrete unit. So it's not going to produce the same type of uni-directional sound as a single traditional loudspeaker. But a single HomePod isn't stereo in the traditional sense either, as it's not using the separate left and right tracks to produce its sound staging effects.

The main takeaway, for me anyway, is that most audiophile purists are probably going to hate this. Their goal tends to be a faithful reproduction of what the artist and sound engineers intended. That means precise placement of instruments with as little processing as possible from source to ear. I get that, and I respect it. But setting up and maintaining such a system is an investment of both time and money (I know from experience). My priorities are different now, and my desires lean more towards unobtrusive technology that can still produce nice results. I don't have a whole lot of time to sit in a sweet spot and just listen to music, but I do want some good sound while I'm doing things around the house. I have high hopes for the HomePod because of this, but I fully understand why it's not everyone's cup of tea.
 
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What Apple says on their webpage:

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Nowhere do they claim to give true stereo from a single HomePod. Instead, they handwave as much as they possibly can, trying to make what they do sound similar (e.g. "diffusing" - not separating - background ambient audio into left and right channels)... WITHOUT outright claiming to be stereo.
 
According to the standards in this thread, I am a Apple fanboy. I have one of every Apple product category and I only buy Apple branded lightning cables. But having all of Apple's product category's is about to end. Because there is no way I will be buying a Homepod. This is not a Apple Fanboy product, It's a SUPER fanboy product. You have to be the person that says I'm Apple only forever. That is not me.

I do not play my music on $350 speakers. But if I did, I'd buy a Sonos play 3 or if I wanted even better sound I'd buy a Sonos play 5. The play 3 is cheaper (249) and offers true stereo with different speakers for both channels, the play 5 does all of that even better. (499) I have full control over Alexa and Google Assistant is coming soon. I can play native Apple Music, and just about every other streaming service. I can also play audio tracks from over my home network and from my NAS. Apple Airplay 2 is coming. I can (and I do) buy their connect and add Sonos to my true real audio systems. There is no comparison.
I don't have to wait for some promised firmware to do any of this including multi room play back and paired speaker for TRUE stereo sound with true wide soundstage. ( note the Google Assistant and the Airplay 2 will require a promised firmware, Sonos always delvers,but for me there are not needed.)

I don't have to rely on siri. Which for the most point does not work. I have access to the FULL universe of home automation devices and thousands of skills.

This is a product looking for a solution. Apple is late. The problem has already been solved. In a much better way. Sorry Apple,NO.

you obviously don't know much about sound or speakers.
 
This bit isn't good...

Maybe at a later update? It probably won’t affect most people since they already have either Apple Music or they have brought music through iTunes. I’m hoping reviews start coming out soon as I’d like to have some knowledge before buying.
 
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Your fellow consumers have tried in many HomePod threads to all but assure that a bunch of these in a room could yield a great surround sound setup. However, Apple themselves have never said anything about these being surround speakers. Best we've seen from Apple is two of them in the same room can coordinate for stereo.
You really can't see the fault in your own logic? "Best we've seen from Apple is two of them" So for nice stereo we gotta pay $700! for something we can get cheaper.
 
For those asking the HomePod can play purchased iTunes music and Beats radio without an Apple Music subscription

https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/23/home...eam-beats-1-without-apple-music-subscription/


This sounds a potentially problematic if by "purchased" the author means "on iTunes." Maybe it's just a poorly written sentence:

If you add music to your home iTunes library that was not acquired through a purchase, HomePod will not be able to access it. It appears HomePod doesn’t have Home Sharing, which would enable that kind of feature.

Makes me wonder if HomePod is locked down. I know the Siri controls do not work with non-Apple Music songs, but if it won't play music obtained outside Apple that would be truly shocking and troublesome.
 
Unless they drastically improve Siri, I don't think it will offer the same level of services.


You obviously must not use Siri much. Siri can already do anything useful that Echo can, only in many more languages and while protecting your privacy and security.
 
All about the music. Airplay just ties up another device. Need all the native apps on the HomePod. For example Sonos. Just ask and it plays. No mention of music services, might conclude Airplay and Apple Music it.
 
I wish they would stop describing every new product/feature/iteration as magical, it's a tad trite now.

Agreed. But technically the word "mystical" might be a better fit here... so much we don't know makes it mysterious as a product.

And personally, I'm mystified at how many of us are already crowning it King of speakers before we've heard one, read any objective reviews, used one or even know clearly what it can and can't do.

I continue to believe Apple could just poop in a box and sell a million boxes of poop, with people gushing "best poop ever" and getting up at 3am to try to be first to order their Apple poop. That's not saying this product is a box of poop- just implying how readily we swallow anything Apple offers up, without so much as a single objective review. Definitely in wait & see... & read... & HEAR mode myself.
 
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And again...this is not just an assistant speaker

This is a sounds system.

Why people continue to not realise this is worrying.


Oh wait, so this *isn't* an assistant-enabled speaker produced as a response to other assistant-enabled speakers already enjoying market success? It's an (allegedly) superior speaker coupled with an inferior assistant at 3x the price. Nothing 'magical' at all.
 
Homepod appears to work much like a Libratone Zipp. The still retail for $299 without smart capabilities. The price does not seem all that high to me given some of the other competition. Sound and testing will tell.
 
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Is there any detail on how it works in a multi user situation? Whose to-do list will a new one be created on? Whose iTunes library will it play from? Can it just play from a local library without Apple Music subscriptions?
 
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