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$700 plus tax would still put it below the cost of a pair of Bowers and Wilkins CM1s at $850. It is quite possible that Apple is about to completely disrupt the home stereo business.

Pump the brakes a bit. You don't have to jump all the way to $850 B&W's to get great audio from a pair of bookshelves.
 
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1. Apple will sell many of these
2. They probably sound good enough for most users
3. Siri integration may even work BUT

1. is it so hard to play music by using normal hifi gear? Not for me
2. does SIRI work so well for you? Not for me. Example: dictate an email...
3. Does the machine always listen to you? Hey Siri, please do not listen...really?

Let us make HiFi great again

Matt
 
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"Blown away" by a demo of stereo sound...Good Grief. Pass me the puke bucket.

That would seem a good point if all stereo music sounded the same. But why on earth would you think that?
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The crux of my complaint isn't the HomePod itself. It might be a marvelous piece of engineering that gets the best sound out of it's source material better than anything near it's price range. But Apple has decided that this hardware's primary purpose is to push their subscription service. If the entire reason for existence of this product, which the backstory that Apple has released say it is, was to get the best sound in a small package then allow people to connect their best music sources to the device. No artificial limitations. Because the data input for this is wifi, so the packet layout and information standards have been in place for years. No one company controls implementation of how data needs to be formatted to use ethernet or wifi. Opening it up would have no effect on how good of an AI assistant Siri is, either. There isn't a hardware reason** that Apple can't allow any and every digital music source access to the HomePod, and it wouldn't take a redesign of the hardware to allow it. This software limitation is a marketing decision to sell their streaming service, period.

Free the HomePod.

**There may be licensing (legal) reasons, but then the fault lies with that company and not Apple.

As far as I know you can play anything through it using AirPlay. But only Siri for AM.
 
1. Apple will sell many of these
2. They probably sound good enough for most users
3. Siri integration may even work BUT

1. is it so hard to play music by using normal hifi gear? Not for me
2. does SIRI work so well for you? Not for me. Example: dictate an email...
3. Does the machine always listen to you? Hey Siri, please do not listen...really?

Let us make HiFi great again

Matt
Can Alexa and google home dictate emails by voice accurately? That’s pretty cool if they can.
 
Why does the receiver need Wi-Fi? Presumably whatever source someone is using, like an ATV, will have Wi-Fi. My receiver has Wi-Fi and the only thing I use it for are firmware updates.



The constraint posed was ~$700, not $700-$1000. Secondly, a 2.1 setup for $700 dollars is almost always likely to be better than two HomePods. If nothing else just because of the subwoofer. Even my floorstanding speakers with dual 6.5" drivers only goes down to 34Hz. The HomePod probably isn't going to go much below 50 Hz at best which means you're missing out on a lot of audio information right off the bat that the 2.1 setup will be able to reproduce.

I’m not referring to how low frequencies the sub in the HomePod can go. I’m talking about overall sound quality. Find me a dedicated 2.1 setup for $700 or less, that sounds better than my zeppelin wireless. I’m waiting.
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Go listen to a set of 802D3's and get back to me. You'll not just love B & W, you'll think they are magical.

I have an idea. One of my friends who has a full setup of the CM series heard the diamonds at stereo exchange and he was astonished as to how much better it sounded, and the CM series sounds great.
 
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I understand. But who's controlling the demo? Who's feeding the speakers the audio sources? Did that Sonos get the exact same quality of audio file that was fed to the HomePod?

Not sure why you're worrying about that so much. What HiFi has given the exact same five star rating to the Sonos One, Play 1, Play 3, and Play 5 in their own reviews.
 
It’s a $350 overpriced speaker.

“Freeing” the HomePod comes in iteration 2 or 3. You need upgrades to sell more units!

Sadly, the original HomePod won’t be freeable. They’ll invent some hardware or software reason for why you NEED to get the HomePod 2 or 3 for these features.

But that’s with everything in life. Things get better as time goes by and we know how to make it better. No doubt in the future the HomePod will sound better and have new features that the current model doesn’t have. It’s evolution.
 
I’m not referring to how low frequencies the sub in the HomePod can go. I’m talking about overall sound quality. Find me a dedicated 2.1 setup that sounds better than my zeppelin wireless. I’m waiting.

When the hell did we jump to talking about your zeppelin wireless? My original response was to someone asking for a similarly priced setup that would sound better than a pair of HomePods. I've also never heard a zeppelin so I don't know how good they sound in the first place. I visited the webpage for it though and chuckled a bit when they called the 5.9" driver a subwoofer. And for the record, frequency response plays a role in sound quality does it not? If someone's setup can only play from 150 Hz - 8,000 Hz, I'd say sound quality is going to be pretty garbage wouldn't you?
 
It is expensive for 7” portable speakers. If you want to get up toward $1000 for your sound system I have no idea why you would choose the HomePod.

Also, thanks for stating the obvious..
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Ridiculous and outdated statement. People love the noise cancelling in Bose QC 35s.
1) They aren’t just portable speakers.
2) Bose is still awful for speakers. The QC series are still massively overpriced. Go to any audio forum where people know audio and see if it’s an outdated assessment.

Let me spoil it for you. Bose is still horrible.
 
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Wow we agree on something. Bose sounds like garbage.

But Bose is successful. Must be doing something right.
Lol...true. We agree because I assume you know audio. All audio guys know Bose is overpriced and even objectively poor performing. There are plenty of objective testing data to prove it.

Bose I’d say is similar to Apple in their approach to be appealing to the masses, heavy marketing and easy to set up and use.

However, I think Apple actually makes quality stuff whereas Bose actually makes junk. At least with Apple, you can say the software is your biggest draw. With Bose, it’s not much software and you can actually substitute Bose products with better hardware. For many, there is no substitute for iOS.
 
Umm...you shouldn't have to use your iphone to cue up music with this. That's the point. May as well get a cheap BT speaker otherwise.

However, I don't need a limited premium speaker with no screen (in the kitchen). That would be stupid. I use an ipad hooked up to a cheap BT speaker. Hey siri works with it. Can watch tv, view recipes, or gasp..play apple music. I think it was Apple's Phil Schiller that already said he didn't see the point of one of these without a screen.

Yes, I'm aware that you can use Siri. Maybe its a mental block thing because a. I don't use Siri much, and b. even though you can talk to it at a normal volume from across the room, when even quite loud music is playing, until I've seen that in action it seems one of those things that I won't fully appreciate how well it works until I've used it.

And it may well be stupid for you and your set up, but I wasn't talking about your situation, I was talking about mine.

I currently have an iPod hooked up to a little Sony thing, but its a wired connection. So if we want to select music we have to go over to it and do it. Even without using Siri, it'll be easier using the phone from wherever we are in the room.

And there may be cheaper speaker with Airplay, but will they sound as good as the HomePod? Will they work as well with Apple Music? (I imagine once we've used Siri and seen how well it works, we probably will use it) And will they look as good as the HomePod?
 
Wow. Why is it that all of these posts about new Apple products are full of divisiveness?

The key takeaway I get is that some folks are audiophiles and others are not and there seems to be a lack of respect for those who are not where there shouldn’t be.

If you spend 79 bucks on a speaker and it makes you happy than do you! All of this mess about how the HomePod is not up to par with Bowers and Wilkins, etc.

It doesn’t have to be up to par with that to sell. It just has to work because that’s what most people want.

I’m going to be getting one because it works for me. However if you want bang and ofuslen or whatever then go buy it.

Anyway seems like no one can ever enjoy anything these days because it’s always about ripping it to shreds and not enjoying the actual product.

Happy Sunday
 
OK, so I can say hey siri to my phone or use it on my watch and get whatever this speaker can do. If I want sound for music when I am cleaning the house or watching TV WHATEVER why would a person not just use a home theater system and airplay spotify, mp3 collection or anything else to the receiver. Ill take the bass from my PSA dual 18" subwoofer.

I LOVE Apple but for the life of me I cannot understand why they made this speaker. I actually had pre-ordered one and I started thinking how much I use siri i general and I would never listen to music through it so I went ahead and canceled the order today.

Because my wife has no interest in learning to use our home theater system even though it's pretty well setup with just a couple clicks of a remote to get it going. With this she can be the kitchen and say hey Siri play Bruno Mars, and it will start playing with a descent sound. Instead of having to go to the media room to turn everything on, then make sure her phone is synced to the Mac mini for iTunes and home sharing.

Will the HomePod replace my media room music system, no. But I'm not buying it to do that. If I want to spend a couple hours doing some quality listening then yes I will use my real music system. If I just want some good sounding music playing while I'm cooking or doing other things around the house then the HomePod will be the music source I will use
 
Yes, I'm aware that you can use Siri. Maybe its a mental block thing because a. I don't use Siri much, and b. even though you can talk to it at a normal volume from across the room, when even quite loud music is playing, until I've seen that in action it seems one of those things that I won't fully appreciate how well it works until I've used it.

And it may well be stupid for you and your set up, but I wasn't talking about your situation, I was talking about mine.

I currently have an iPod hooked up to a little Sony thing, but its a wired connection. So if we want to select music we have to go over to it and do it. Even without using Siri, it'll be easier using the phone from wherever we are in the room.

And there may be cheaper speaker with Airplay, but will they sound as good as the HomePod? Will they work as well with Apple Music? (I imagine once we've used Siri and seen how well it works, we probably will use it) And will they look as good as the HomePod?

No imagining necessary. If you are using a HomePod and you want to use Siri to control it you have no choice but to use Apple Music.
 
In fact, if I was in charge of the demo show as described in this thread, I'd be feeding the speaker I want to get reviewed the best lossless music while feeding the others something like a 64kbps version of the same music.
One of the reviewers made the point that the Google Home Max sounded surprisingly muffled ;-) It was Tom's hardware or T3.
 
When the hell did we jump to talking about your zeppelin wireless? My original response was to someone asking for a similarly priced setup that would sound better than a pair of HomePods. I've also never heard a zeppelin so I don't know how good they sound in the first place. I visited the webpage for it though and chuckled a bit when they called the 5.9" driver a subwoofer. And for the record, frequency response plays a role in sound quality does it not? If someone's setup can only play from 150 Hz - 8,000 Hz, I'd say sound quality is going to be pretty garbage wouldn't you?

I referenced the zeppelin wireless because it’s $700. You’re claiming a 2.1 setup will sound better and be cheaper than $700 or 2 HomePods. So find me a 2.1 setup that sounds better and is cheaper than the zeppelin wireless, same price as 2 HomePods.

You “chuckled a bit” because they called their 5.9 driver a woofer yet you have no idea how great the system sounds. Well it’s a 6” woofer and the frequency range isn’t from 150Hz to 8000Hz. So why would you make up numbers that you say sound would be “pretty garbage” and place it in the same discussion as the zeppelin wireless when it’s totally irrelevant? You’re trying to dis B&W when you don’t know what the zeppelin wireless is. Just stop.

It isn’t called the best sounding or one of the best sounding wireless music systems for no reason. In reality you’d be hard pressed to find a 2.1 system that sounds better and costs less than $700.
 
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