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Hopefully the best of iOS 6 is being saved for the iPhone event.

CrAkD said:
since when did deleting stock apps become the number one request? who really cares if you have to put the stock app in a folder.
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Well, I do. And so do others, obviously. But who is saying it's the number one request? It's a request, along with allowing third party apps be set as default. In fact, the latter is what I would say is more of a number one request on this forum and from that idea stemmed the deletion of stock apps. You don't care? That's fine. Doesn't mean it matters to nobody.
 
lordofthereef said:
It's been five years an Apple doesn't even let us delete their preloaded apps that we find useless. Without jailbreak everything other than clock, calendar, Notes, and settings go in a "junk" folder for me. With jailbreak I just make those pesky icons disappear. As much as I would LOVE everything you suggest here, I am certainly not holding my breath with any of it.
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Oh...and Android does? :rolleyes:
 
tomtom2234 said:
That isn't what iCloud was built for.
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Interesting you should say this, as Job's himself had a sit down with the founder of drop box to express interest of buying out the company some years ago...

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batting1000 said:
Oh...and Android does? :rolleyes:
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No... but it doesn't force me to have it on any of my screens. I can remove it from my home screen if I want to. perhaps I should have been more specific. Deletion doesn't matter to me as much as not being forced to have a "junk folder".

FWIW though, Android doesn't throw stupid crap like "compass" in my face. Or a newstand "app" which is actually treated like a folder so there isn't a whole lot more I can do with it.
 
lordofthereef said:
Interesting you should say this, as Job's himself had a sit down with the founder of drop box to express interest of buying out the company some years ago...

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No... but it doesn't force me to have it on any of my screens. I can remove it from my home screen if I want to. perhaps I should have been more specific. Deletion doesn't matter to me as much as not being forced to have a "junk folder".
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If you have your favorite apps on your home screen, then your app drawer is your junk folder. Think of your first page on your iPhone as your home screen and the rest of your pages as your app drawer.
 
Razeus said:
It's just more of reason why I get aggravated with Apple. They release more stock apps that I can't remove. They give us 500,000 apps of which NONE I can make my default! The iPhone 5 hardware HAS to be THAT GOOD for me not to jump ship. I've put up with the lack of choosing my default apps or deleting stock ones since 2007, but now I realize I have a choice - the Jelly Bean has fully matured.
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Then go buy Android.

If your needs are trying to control every single function of the OS then Android is going to get you there quicker than iOS will.

iOS is a platform that attempts to straddle the fence between too much choice and not enough choice.

iOS is a developers platform. We may get defaults but honestly that's not a big feature to the masses that just want a predictable OS to use.

Geeks that want to customer tailor everything are simply not going to be happy with iOS.

No amount of kvetching about the merits or lacketherof of iOS is going to change this.
 
lordofthereef said:
Interesting you should say this, as Job's himself had a sit down with the founder of drop box to express interest of buying out the company some years ago...

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No... but it doesn't force me to have it on any of my screens. I can remove it from my home screen if I want to. perhaps I should have been more specific. Deletion doesn't matter to me as much as not being forced to have a "junk folder".

FWIW though, Android doesn't throw stupid crap like "compass" in my face. Or a newstand "app" which is actually treated like a folder so there isn't a whole lot more I can do with it.
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And yes, I believe all Verizon Android devices (even the Gnex) come with stupid Verizon apps like My Verizon Mobile and VZ Backup Assistant. AT&T also has it's share of bloatware like AT&T Messages, Real Racing 2 demo, AT&T Live TV, AT&T Navigator, etc.
 
batting1000 said:
If you have your favorite apps on your home screen, then your app drawer is your junk folder. Think of your first page on your iPhone as your home screen and the rest of your pages as your app drawer.
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Why would I think of that? I have to have an extra page for my "junk folder"? That's just silly.
Also, carrier bloatware it not an Android problem, it's a carrier problem. One can have a completely stock Android experience by purchasing the GNex on Google Play.
 
lordofthereef said:
Why would I think of that? I have to have an extra page for my "junk folder"? That's just silly.
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Now that I think about it, that was a bad example.

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lordofthereef said:
Why would I think of that? I have to have an extra page for my "junk folder"? That's just silly.
Also, carrier bloatware it not an Android problem, it's a carrier problem. One can have a completely stock Android experience by purchasing the GNex on Google Play.
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Sure, but you can't use an unlocked Nexus on Verizon or Sprint.
 
batting1000 said:
Sure, but you can't use an unlocked Nexus on Verizon or Sprint.
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Again, carrier issues. Up until about a year ago, you couldn't use an iPhone on either of those carriers.

Perhaps you are misreading my intentions here. This isn't an Android vs iOS d*ck measuring competition for me (I use both platforms daily). I am saying what I would like from iOS, and that I am upset Apple doesn't allow me to...
 
lordofthereef said:
Again, carrier issues. Up until about a year ago, you couldn't use an iPhone on either of those carriers.

Perhaps you are misreading my intentions here. This isn't an Android vs iOS d*ck measuring competition for me (I use both platforms daily). I am saying what I would like from iOS, and that I am upset Apple doesn't allow me to...
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I understood what you were saying. It's not a carrier issue when you can't use an unlocked device on a CDMA network. That's not how it was intended / made to work.

I've used both platforms extensively myself, although not daily. Both have their perks and it's just a matter of what you want your device to do. If customizing the device to the high hills is something you want, Android is for you. If want a more stable, consistent, and simple OS, iOS is for you.

Moaning about how Apple / the iPhone / iOS doesn't let you do something you expect it or something Android does is just unnecessary. If you knew Apple well, you wouldn't have such high expectations because of how locked down iOS.
 
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batting1000 said:
I understood what you were saying. It's not a carrier issue when you can't use an unlocked device on a CDMA network. That's not how it was intended / made to work.
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But it IS a carrier issue. I suspect if Google had their way, they would have a completely stock CDMA GNex as well. Problem is, neither Sprint nor Verizon would allow that device on their networks. iPhone finally made it to those networks because the device sells like hotcakes and the carriers realized they'd be stupid NOT to allow it. Google is still currently being strong-armed into throwing all the carrier bloat onto these devices.

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batting1000 said:
Moaning about how Apple / the iPhone / iOS doesn't let you do something you expect it or something Android does is just unnecessary. If you knew Apple well, you wouldn't have such high expectations because of how locked down iOS.
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Me discussing any of this with you is unnecessary. And yet still we do it. Why? because we obviously each like discussing such topics. :)

FWIW, if you consider being able to reduce clutter on your home screen a "high expectation", well, I'll just keep my mouth respectfully shut.
 
lordofthereef said:
But it IS a carrier issue. I suspect if Google had their way, they would have a completely stock CDMA GNex as well. Problem is, neither Sprint nor Verizon would allow that device on their networks. iPhone finally made it to those networks because the device sells like hotcakes and the carriers realized they'd be stupid NOT to allow it. Google is still currently being strong-armed into throwing all the carrier bloat onto these devices.

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Me discussing any of this with you is unnecessary. And yet still we do it. Why? because we obviously each like discussing such topics. :)
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Apple has their way bloat-wise, how come other manufacturers don't?

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lordofthereef said:
FWIW, if you consider being able to reduce clutter on your home screen a "high expectation", well, I'll just keep my mouth respectfully shut.
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I have a different perspective. I like the stock look of the iPhone as well as the Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S3, etc. The only thing that bothers me is if an icon looks ugly. :p
 
batting1000 said:
Apple has their way bloat-wise, how come other manufacturers don't?
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Because Apple has a proven sales system. Remember when the first iPhone launched? You had to buy the thing outright. That was ATT's "no risk" stance. "Do what you want. We only have to gain from this. We cannot lose". It's literally the only phone (that I am aware of) that was sold in this manner. Apple took the risk and made it big. Kudos to them!

But, FWIW, I would argue Apple has bloat too, just not carrier bloat. They throw in their own bloat. And that is what this discussion is about.

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batting1000 said:
I have a different perspective. I like the stock look of the iPhone as well as the Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S3, etc. The only thing that bothers me is if an icon looks ugly. :p
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So then your perspective is that wanting to remove an icon is a "high expectation"? There was a time when we had no apps. There was a time we couldn't rearrange apps. There was a time we couldn't have folders. One can say those were all high expectations at one point.
 
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lordofthereef said:
Because Apple has a proven sales system. Remember when the first iPhone launched? You had to buy the thing outright. That was ATT's "no risk" stance. "Do what you want. We only have to gain from this. We cannot lose". Apple took the risk and made it big. Kudos to them!

But, FWIW, I would argue Apple has bloat too, just not carrier bloat. They throw in their own bloat. And that is what this discussion is about.

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So then your perspective is that wanting to remove an icon is a "high expectation"?
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I guess you're right in a way, but it just depends on if you use it or not. If you do, it's not bloat. If you don't, it's bloat.

That it my perspective, but I have no problem with sticking it into a folder. Hiding it would be great, but the former is just fine.
 
batting1000 said:
I guess you're right in a way, but it just depends on if you use it or not. If you do, it's not bloat. If you don't, it's bloat.

That it my perspective, but I have no problem with sticking it into a folder. Hiding it would be great, but the former is just fine.
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This statement is going to be true for any and all bloat be it iOS, Android, WP7, etc. Frankly, I haven't met one person that regularly used everything preloaded on any of his devices. That person might exist, but in my mind he would be crazy! :p
 
i think quick sms is coming with IOS 6. Since it's got quick tweets and facebook posts through the notification center, it would only seem logical to add quick sms functionality.
 
batting1000 said:
And yes, I believe all Verizon Android devices (even the Gnex) come with stupid Verizon apps like My Verizon Mobile and VZ Backup Assistant. AT&T also has it's share of bloatware like AT&T Messages, Real Racing 2 demo, AT&T Live TV, AT&T Navigator, etc.
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Thankfully with Android you can install a launcher (I use Apex Launcher) and you can hide apps from the app drawer. They're still there, but they are not in the way.
 
lordofthereef said:
Interesting you should say this, as Job's himself had a sit down with the founder of drop box to express interest of buying out the company some years ago...

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No... but it doesn't force me to have it on any of my screens. I can remove it from my home screen if I want to. perhaps I should have been more specific. Deletion doesn't matter to me as much as not being forced to have a "junk folder".

FWIW though, Android doesn't throw stupid crap like "compass" in my face. Or a newstand "app" which is actually treated like a folder so there isn't a whole lot more I can do with it.
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I laughed when I read this.

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Razeus said:
One shouldn't have to jailbreak this this to happen. The customer should have to do no additional tweaks just to get the phone to work the way they want it to. In fact, the very notion of jailbreaking proves Apple has a walled garden and simply doesn't give us the features requested or knows damn well the competition offers.
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It's a well known fact that ios is a walled garden as you put it. Jailbreaking just allows you to have the ultimate control over your device. Same thing with rooting on android.
 
nuckinfutz said:
Then go buy Android.

If your needs are trying to control every single function of the OS then Android is going to get you there quicker than iOS will.

iOS is a platform that attempts to straddle the fence between too much choice and not enough choice.

iOS is a developers platform. We may get defaults but honestly that's not a big feature to the masses that just want a predictable OS to use.

Geeks that want to customer tailor everything are simply not going to be happy with iOS.

No amount of kvetching about the merits or lacketherof of iOS is going to change this.
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It's not just about wanting to "customize" everything. I've loved iPhone since it came out ... but Android has finally matured into something useful, very cutting edge, and actually nice to use. I'm seriously considering replacing my iPhone 4 with a Galaxy S3, because I'll admit, that phone is better overall than my iPhone.

The ONE thing iPhone still does better than most Android phones is the camera quality. iPhone camera options, however, are awful.
 
tomtom2234 said:
Not sure what else you want in terms of multitasking...



If you wanted it that badly you could have jailbroken your phone.



They are adding quite a lot to Siri. Also, there are some pretty neat Siri jailbreak tweaks you can hit up in the mean time.



That isn't what iCloud was built for.



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Most of what you are complaining about can be fixed by jailbreaking. Or you can just get an android phone.
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Lol nice .... Jailbreak or buy an android....
 
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