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Horizontal Lines in New Powerbooks

supersalzme said:
"well, if you upgrade the hardrive to the 7200 100gb...you won't have the problem". Wow.
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whoa wait, have I missed something are pbs' with 7200/100 drives not affected or was this sales guy just full of !@#$. I'm assuming the latter because I've heard nothing of this.

[edit] the person above this post lists this config and has the line prob. So apparently this apple store employee was blatantly lying to a customer, to get him to pay more for equipment he knew would still be defective. WOW is right. I've been a loyal apple customer since 1986 (my first computer) and I can't remember ever being this disappointed and angry at them, this is sad. [edit]
 
As you say: I have a BTO 7200/100Gb. And I DEFINITELY have the lines. This sales clerk is FoS#!T

simplymark said:
whoa wait, have I missed something are pbs' with 7200/100 drives not affected or was this sales guy just full of !@#$. I'm assuming the latter because I've heard nothing of this.

[edit] the person above this post lists this config and has the line prob. So apparently this apple store employee was blatantly lying to a customer, to get him to pay more for equipment he knew would still be defective. WOW is right. I've been a loyal apple customer since 1986 (my first computer) and I can't remember ever being this disappointed and angry at them, this is sad. [edit]
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Spectrum said:
As you say: I have a BTO 7200/100Gb. And I DEFINITELY have the lines. This sales clerk is FoS#!T
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I know. It really bums me out apple would try, after admiting to a problem, sell me a defective product. I really don't mind getting the last gen of the current PB, because it will be bug free, and this is my first mac...so honestly I won't notice a difference. But I just can't justify buying the current 15". My goal is to get them to sell me a 17" for the price of a 15"....do you think this is a good idea?
 
Ah, that thread helped me...

Now I know what Apple did to my new 15" PB when I sent it in for a keyboard replacement -- they jacked around with the CONTRAST, which is why I was seeing those weird lines in the application bar for the first time ever when I got it back.

Grrrr
 
supersalzme said:
I know. It really bums me out apple would try, after admiting to a problem, sell me a defective product. I really don't mind getting the last gen of the current PB, because it will be bug free, and this is my first mac...so honestly I won't notice a difference. But I just can't justify buying the current 15". My goal is to get them to sell me a 17" for the price of a 15"....do you think this is a good idea?
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It is if you WANT a 17".

But there has to be a reason you chose a 15 in the first place.
 
Finally found a pic that shows how bad this screen is

Just look at the tarmac... this panel is COMPLETE JUNK. It's a 220k color panel that does excessive dithering. In a >2000k laptop. FFS, APPLE, FIX THIS ALREADY!

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(Link: http://www.porsche.com/filestore.as...bec8-46448e859e61&lang=none&filetype=1024x768 )
 
supersalzme said:
Anyone in this forum with the new 15" try this?
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Yep. It doesn't cure the fine horizontal lines of the LCD. But it does cure some of the wavy/heavy interference banding seen in the Crankycat oranges.

Unfortunately, it creates (or doesn't remove) this same banding in other colours. So it's not really a fix, but it is an interesting observation.

i wonder if the people that talk of screens lacking the interference in the Crankycat have the contrast adjusted somehow to mimic this.

However, others do talk of screens with none of the fine horizontal lines either - and with good evidence that they are not mistaken. So I still feel that there ARE good screens out there. Somewhere.
 
Spectrum said:
It is if you WANT a 17".

But there has to be a reason you chose a 15 in the first place.
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I was going to get a 15" because the 12" was too small, and the 15" seemed about right. My roomate at my dorm has the 17" though, and it is very impressive....I wouldn't mind the extra hardrive and screen space to be honest. I, like most else could not justify spending the extra cash on it, but I think if I complain to apple enough...they would give me one for the price of the 15". I should honestly just wait for January...I'm crossing my fingers the mactels aren't buggy...that would make my life a whole lot easier.
 
Wombert - you've lost me: What do you see in the tarmac? I just see the normal fine lines across the sky, across the car - but not actually across the road...

Wombert said:
Just look at the tarmac... this panel is COMPLETE JUNK. It's a 220k color panel that does excessive dithering. In a >2000k laptop. FFS, APPLE, FIX THIS ALREADY!
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IF the MacIntel PB's arrive in Jan, and IF they have a 15" screen - my money is on that it will still be THIS panel. And likely to have the same issues, unless it is not the panel that is at fault, but the electronics inside...

But who is to say a Intel chipset will be any more or less compatible anyway.

You could get a 12+20"ACD (or, on offer, a Dell 23 !) for less than the 17".

But I agree, if you don't mind the extra size/weight - go try and get an upgrade. It's happenend before.

supersalzme said:
I was going to get a 15" because the 12" was too small, and the 15" seemed about right. My roomate at my dorm has the 17" though, and it is very impressive....I wouldn't mind the extra hardrive and screen space to be honest. I, like most else could not justify spending the extra cash on it, but I think if I complain to apple enough...they would give me one for the price of the 15". I should honestly just wait for January...I'm crossing my fingers the mactels aren't buggy...that would make my life a whole lot easier.
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Spectrum said:
Wombert - you've lost me: What do you see in the tarmac? I just see the normal fine lines across the sky, across the car - but not actually across the road...
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On my screen, it is especially visible on the bottom left. You can clearly see how the colors are reduced. Also, the sky has diagonal "steps" on the right side because the screen clearly cannot display 16.7 million colors.
Maaan... I thought I could live with it ever since I got that PB. But now I'm seriously pissed off. The lines don't kill me. This dithering does.
 
"I wonder if the people that talk of screens lacking the interference in the Crankycat have the contrast adjusted somehow to mimic this."

Now that you point this out, I do remenber having adjusted the contrast with my powerbook HD. I had had a lined powerbook without interference on the orange square of the crankycat image.

I returned it for refund though, after one week of tests and reflexion.
 
How many had:

1 Horizontal lines? YES
2 Wavy diagonal or wide horizontal interference lines in some colours (e.g. orange)? NO
3 Battery failure? YES
4 Unresolvable kernal panics? NO
5 "Squeaky" keyboard when typing in Safari (sometimes) YES
6 Received a working replacement? NO, I have chosen for a refund and am waiting for Apple to do something about it.
 
Wombert - are you sure these are not just the inherent quality of the photo? I notice on my digital photos (Nikon D70 SLR) that sky does not often show smooth gradients - and this is the same on the PB and an iMac G4 17".

However - one thing I have noticed (perhaps only with the new version of Preview in Tiger - I'm not sure) is that colours do not display well AT ALL when using Preview. This is especially true of very dark shades - it's like they revert to about 256 colour quality in the dark colours.

However - once you open the image full screen slideshow in Preview, the colours/gradients, look as good as they do in Photoshop.

I checked with your image though, It looks the same in all applications/modes, so I suspect the image itself doesn't contain the fine gradation. But I'm sure you'll tell me I'm wrong ;-)

Anyway. Did you sign the petition? I want a screen fix.


Wombert said:
On my screen, it is especially visible on the bottom left. You can clearly see how the colors are reduced. Also, the sky has diagonal "steps" on the right side because the screen clearly cannot display 16.7 million colors.
Maaan... I thought I could live with it ever since I got that PB. But now I'm seriously pissed off. The lines don't kill me. This dithering does.
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Aahhh. I suspected as much - You're on the Apple discussion forum, right?

What is odd, is that none of my many custom profiles (all with widely differing contrast) remove the lines on the orange like a simple touch of the CTRL+Opt+Apple+.

Shame it doesn't work for all colors...

LucT said:
"I wonder if the people that talk of screens lacking the interference in the Crankycat have the contrast adjusted somehow to mimic this."

Now that you point this out, I do remenber having adjusted the contrast with my powerbook HD. I had had a lined powerbook without interference on the orange square of the crankycat image.

I returned it for refund though, after one week of tests and reflexion.
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wombert is right...

in the desktop image (blue) that is default when installing OS X, you can see reduced color gradient stepping in the image on my powerbook and not on my 30" or my crt or 22" cinema at work.

this just gets worse by the day...

i thought that illustrator was just screwing it's gradients up, but i think it was the PB. I'm going to do some tests this weekend to see if this is correct.

technocoy
 
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