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Hot Stove thread

Sayhey said:
Oh, Boy, did I have to dig to find this thread. I guess there is not much baseball news to speak of this month.

Anyway, maybe IJ or aloofman can explain this trade for me. Have the Dodgers decided Gagne isn't going to make it back for the season or is this a move for the following season because Gagne has decided to go for free agency? And they gave up on Jackson? Well, I guess you have to give something to get something.

If both Gagne and Baez are healthy, you guys have one heck of a bullpen.

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Thanks for pointing this one out. I hadn't heard about it yet.

I don't think anyone can predict Gagne's intentions after the '06 season, if only because he has to come back from the surgery before anyone can assess his value. My guess is, the main purpose of this trade is to remove Brazoban from the setup role, or worse yet, from being pressed into closing, where he was shockingly ineffective for the better part of last season. I'll be interested to see how Brazoban pitches when he's not in such a pressure position, and this may be management's thinking as well.

I'm sorry to see the Dodgers give up on Edwin Jackson, but by the same token he can only go so far on the strength of his first two games in the majors all those years ago now. We've seen so little of that brilliance since then.

But Baez and Gagne -- what an eight-nine punch that could be!
 
but what about the tigers, i dunno if anyone has mentioned them, (just stumbled upon this thread and did not read any of it) adding rogers is shaky and jones i believe is an alright pickup but all we want here in detriot is an above .500 season.
 
IJ Reilly said:
Thanks for pointing this one out. I hadn't heard about it yet.

I don't think anyone can predict Gagne's intentions after the '06 season, if only because he has to come back from the surgery before anyone can assess his value. My guess is, the main purpose of this trade is to remove Brazoban from the setup role, or worse yet, from being pressed into closing, where he was shockingly ineffective for the better part of last season. I'll be interested to see how Brazoban pitches when he's not in such a pressure position, and this may be management's thinking as well.

I'm sorry to see the Dodgers give up on Edwin Jackson, but by the same token he can only go so far on the strength of his first two games in the majors all those years ago now. We've seen so little of that brilliance since then.

But Baez and Gagne -- what an eight-nine punch that could be!
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Colletti has remade the Dodgers in just about one month into the odds on favorite in the Western Division. I had hoped with the Seo trade that the Bullpen was going to suffer, but with this trade I think the bums are back on top with the league's best (assuming Gagne is healthy.) I don't know if the Dodgers can sign both Gagne and Baez at the end of the season, but even if it is for only one year they're a potent 1-2 punch. I don't think you'll find Lance Carter a problem either. On the pitching side, you guys are only missing depth in left handed relief. Kuo and who else?

With the rest of the team, I'm looking at left field as the only real weak link among the starters. Werth may still work out, but Cruz defines the phrase "streaky hitter" with most of those streaks in the 0 fer -- category. It wouldn't surprise me if Colletti adds some help there before the season begins.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting up here steaming that the Giants haven't done much of anything since the signing of Matt Morris. Barry had better be real healthy.
 
I think the dodgers made a very smart move ...


If you think about it ... its Gagne insurance policy, althought i think he'll be back for the season. So you keep baez for the first half of the season ... at the ASB you figure out which contender needs a closer and who has somebody you want ... you can trade a reliable closer (baez) to fill just about any position you need with an above average player ... great move by the dodgers.
 
itgoesbuzz said:
but what about the tigers, i dunno if anyone has mentioned them, (just stumbled upon this thread and did not read any of it) adding rogers is shaky and jones i believe is an alright pickup but all we want here in detriot is an above .500 season.
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I think the Tigers will be better this year, if only because Nook Logan is a year older and you'll have the benefits of Placido Polanco for the whole season. I think Rogers is a fine pickup and will serve as a sound number 3 starter behind Bonderman and Robertson, and I think if Magglio is healthy, the first five bats in your lineup could make some noise:

Logan
Polanco
IRod
Ordonez
D. Young

Assuming a decent season from Carlos Guillen and a breakout year from Carlos Pena, and considering you've got a strong bullpen with German, Jones and Percival, I think the Tigers could be wildcard contenders if everything breaks right.

That said, I'm a Red Sox fan, and I can't tell you how upset people in Boston would be if they had the Tiger's roster! From a distance though, .500 seems achievable.

Where have all the Sox fans gone? Abandoned this thread to the Giants/Dodgers fans? For shame. Just 'cause we don't have anyone who can play shorstop OR centerfield doesn't mean we shouldn't be keeping ourselves warm by the hot stove ... :)
 
Sayhey said:
Colletti has remade the Dodgers in just about one month into the odds on favorite in the Western Division. I had hoped with the Seo trade that the Bullpen was going to suffer, but with this trade I think the bums are back on top with the league's best (assuming Gagne is healthy.) I don't know if the Dodgers can sign both Gagne and Baez at the end of the season, but even if it is for only one year they're a potent 1-2 punch. I don't think you'll find Lance Carter a problem either. On the pitching side, you guys are only missing depth in left handed relief. Kuo and who else?
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Hamulack, but he'll have a lot to prove. And I expected to get Kelly Wunsch back, but he's not listed on the 40-man roster right at the moment, and I don't know anything else about his status.

I didn't want to say it, but since you have already -- suddenly the Dodgers look like the team to beat in the NL West. Colletti was quoted in the paper this morning saying that he's impatient -- that he wants to win this year. Did that ever bring a smile to this weary Dodger fan's face. It's been a long time since I've heard a Dodger GM say anything like that. :)

Sayhey said:
With the rest of the team, I'm looking at left field as the only real weak link among the starters. Werth may still work out, but Cruz defines the phrase "streaky hitter" with most of those streaks in the 0 fer -- category. It wouldn't surprise me if Colletti adds some help there before the season begins.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting up here steaming that the Giants haven't done much of anything since the signing of Matt Morris. Barry had better be real healthy.
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Left field is a bit of a question mark, but not such a huge one. The Dodgers have been satisfied to start Werth out there for years now. I see him (and Cruz) as adequate place-holders until someone better comes along. Personally, I'd be surprised if we saw another deal between now and Spring training. Colletti has been cautious about trading prospects and they've spent a ton already.

As for Barry -- what can I say? I feel for you. ;)
 
IJ Reilly said:
Thanks for pointing this one out. I hadn't heard about it yet.

I don't think anyone can predict Gagne's intentions after the '06 season, if only because he has to come back from the surgery before anyone can assess his value. My guess is, the main purpose of this trade is to remove Brazoban from the setup role, or worse yet, from being pressed into closing, where he was shockingly ineffective for the better part of last season. I'll be interested to see how Brazoban pitches when he's not in such a pressure position, and this may be management's thinking as well.

I'm sorry to see the Dodgers give up on Edwin Jackson, but by the same token he can only go so far on the strength of his first two games in the majors all those years ago now. We've seen so little of that brilliance since then.

But Baez and Gagne -- what an eight-nine punch that could be!
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I agree that the intention is probably to sign Gagne, assuming he's healthy. Unless he's hurt or becomes totally ineffective, it would be a very unpopular move to let Gagne leave. He's easily the most popular Dodger, especially with all the recent player turnover.

Honestly, I don't mind letting Edwin Jackson go. I've always thought he was overrated. Except for that miraculous first start against Randy Johnson a few years ago, he hasn't been that impressive. His age makes that understandable, but I don't expect him to be a strong starter, and his trade value was still fairly high as prospects go.
 
Sox fans -- Theo's back! Sort of! In an entirely obscure way!

Two jokes from WEEI today:

"With Theo's return, Larry Lucchino will be promoted to 'Emperor of All He Can Survey.'"

"Hey. Theo. Welcome back. Now grab a glove and go play CF."

Of course, signing Willie Harris may solve all of their problems ... :rolleyes:
 
Just in time to catch Damon play in pinstripes!

Anyways if your a sox fan, you have to be happy about this, he really is very good. On the downside its to bad it took this long for him and the Sox to work this out, as a good part of the off season has passed by. (not that im complaining.)
 
Koodauw said:
Just in time to catch Damon play in pinstripes!

Anyways if your a sox fan, you have to be happy about this, he really is very good. On the downside its to bad it took this long for him and the Sox to work this out, as a good part of the off season has passed by. (not that im complaining.)
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The problem is that he's not the official GM unless he's gonna run the team from the back seat of the bandwagon. The problem with the Red Sox is that nobody is truly in charge and until someone is given total control over day to day operations it will be a long season.
 
Please, we all know Theo gave his OK for all the moves they made so far.
Also, the Bruins beat the Flyers last night. :D

Also, seems a font I installed (I think it's Megadeth...) seems to have taken over the Java portion of the MLB sites :eek:
 
Counterfit said:
Please, we all know Theo gave his OK for all the moves they made so far.
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WEEI had it on "good sources" (God knows what that means) that Theo was "strongly opposed" to the Beckett deal.
 
xsedrinam said:
That'll help those who will forever think STL's win was a crime.

On another note, the Cards have some off season deals and resigning of free agents to consider. S.I.'s Nate Silver thinks picking up Jim Edmond's option for $10M is a good investment, arguing that the alternative buying out the option at $3M makes it a $7M dollar decision.

Using that formula is still a gamble imo. Does Edmonds have another year or two of effectiveness in him? Injury prone, his range at Center Field diminishing, his last two years' stats taking him below .500 slugging, and his tendency to strike out are negatives at his age and time. With Pujols, Rolen and Carpenter tucked away with signed contracts below market value, maybe Jocketty will go ahead with paying Edmonds feeling he owes him and/or the fans something and that Edmonds may help the franchise next year. But I'm wondering if it isn't time to tap the Memphis AAA club or get some younger blood to replace Edmonds?
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IJ Reilly said:
I suspect the Dodgers could be interested in Edmonds if he's allowed to shop clubs and he's willing to take a one year signing. The Dodgers don't have an incumbent in CF or anybody coming up, and are in need of power. They've also got an almost ideal late-inning defensive substitute in Jason Repko.

Looks like we're getting warmed up for the hot stove thread. :)
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Thought I'd put this and other items on the right burner. :)
 
hehe, are we gonna keep this one going or start a new one. as another stove is burning.:eek:
 
Would much prefer a new thread, myself.

Maybe I'm too caught up in the idea of history.

Besides, is it really hot stove time yet? I think we're still in season, even if the season is vaguely over.
 
thedude110 said:
Would much prefer a new thread, myself.

Maybe I'm too caught up in the idea of history.

Besides, is it really hot stove time yet? I think we're still in season, even if the season is vaguely over.
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Technically no, but with the changes in the new contract, free agents can declare early with fewer restrictions, so deals could be made at any time.
 
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