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Hot Stove thread

IJ Reilly said:
It could get crowded come mid-season, assuming Izturis comes back in good health and plays second. Then Garciaparra is a regular left fielder. Now we're looking at possibly two surplus players, Choi and Werth. It wouldn't break my heart to see Werth go -- he strikes out way too much and doesn't hit enough for power or average to make it up. Hey, maybe our Bay Area pals would be interested! Big guy, mean looking. Can hit a ton, but rarely does. How's that sound? 😉

Either way, I think Colletti is going to be running out of salary soon. By my count, he's up to $93 million, and I don't know where he gets a quality starter for less than $7 million.
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If Werth hit left-handed we'd take 'em in a New York minute. 😛 Right now I'm hoping the Giants go after Burnitz for left-handed pop off the bench. Now tell my why the Dodgers are trying to sign Lofton? Other than the fact he is another ex-Giant. 😉 Bat him second and play him in center? He's a little old in the tooth isn't he (asked the man who's a fan of a team with the oldest outfield in baseball)? I'm beginning to think Izturis, Choi, and Werth's days in Blue are numbered.
 
I recall reading in a Sports Illustrated, that Terry Francona would have loved to bat Mueller in 2nd, but Billy liked being further down. But according to the article, he might just end up near the top?
The top of the tentative Dodger lineup now is: Furcal, Mueller, J.D. Drew, Kent and Garciaparra.
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Sayhey said:
If Werth hit left-handed we'd take 'em in a New York minute. 😛 Right now I'm hoping the Giants go after Burnitz for left-handed pop off the bench. Now tell my why the Dodgers are trying to sign Lofton? Other than the fact he is another ex-Giant. 😉 Bat him second and play him in center? He's a little old in the tooth isn't he (asked the man who's a fan of a team with the oldest outfield in baseball)? I'm beginning to think Izturis, Choi, and Werth's days in Blue are numbered.
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You want the Giants to sign Burnitz, and you're asking me about Lofton? Burnitz would have been better off staying in Colorado. Seems to me, he's got mainly warning-track power everywhere else. (Yes, I know -- nearly 300 career home runs, but why can't he seem to stay with any team longer than two years?)

The Dodgers are making a lot of one-year deals, and if they land Lofton, he'll probably be signed to another.

Yes, an outfielder is probably surplus if Lofton signs. It could be Werth, Ledee or Cruz. Werth probably has the best trade value. Choi I'm almost certain is all but gone. I'd be shocked if they didn't find a place for Izturis if he comes back healthy. I believe they simply aren't counting on it.
 
Sayhey, starting now I will cease joking about how old the Giants players are. I no longer have a leg to stand on. 🙄
 
aloofman said:
Sayhey, starting now I will cease joking about how old the Giants players are. I no longer have a leg to stand on. 🙄
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Sure you do -- Garciaparra's right and Lofton's left. They've got a good pair of legs, between them. 🙂

Funny how the game works sometimes. I remember mid-season 2005 when the Dodgers were fielding only one player with more than two years of big-league experience.
 
IJ Reilly said:
Sure you do -- Garciaparra's right and Lofton's left. They've got a good pair of legs, between them. 🙂

Funny how the game works sometimes. I remember mid-season 2005 when the Dodgers were fielding only one player with more than two years of big-league experience.
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It's a pretty reasonable strategy to use veterans in the short-term. It all depends on a few of those much-touted prospects getting to the majors though, because if that doesn't happen, then what do we got?
 
aloofman said:
It's a pretty reasonable strategy to use veterans in the short-term. It all depends on a few of those much-touted prospects getting to the majors though, because if that doesn't happen, then what do we got?
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More 38-year-old veterans signed to one-year contracts?

Seriously, I'm a much happier Dodger fan than I expected to be only a couple of weeks ago. I was consigned to a building season.
 
IJ Reilly said:
More 38-year-old veterans signed to one-year contracts?

Seriously, I'm a much happier Dodger fan than I expected to be only a couple of weeks ago. I was consigned to a building season.
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I agree, and it helps that the NL West is such a weak division. If we had to worry about the Cards, you've gotta figure it would be a rebuilding year.
 
Looks like the Yanks added a CF to the mix. Lets face it BOSTON SUCKS, even the players know it, that why they are all leaving! (or want out.)
NEW YORK -- The New York Yankees grabbed center fielder Johnny Damon away from the rival Boston Red Sox, reaching a preliminary agreement Tuesday night on a $52 million, four-year contract.

Details of the deal were still being negotiated and Damon must pass a physical, a baseball official said on condition of anonymity because negotiations were not yet final.

Damon fills a double void for the Yankees, giving them a speedy center fielder who can cover ground and a leadoff hitter to top a star-studded lineup that also includes Derek Jeter, Gary Sheffield, AL MVP Alex Rodriguez, Hideki Matsui and Jason Giambi.

Bernie Williams' defense declined significantly over the past four seasons. And while Damon's arm is not much better, he does cover a lot of ground, which is important in Yankee Stadium.

Agent Scott Boras had been seeking a seven-year contract for Damon. The offer Damon accepted was essentially the same as the deal Matsui agreed to with the Yankees last month.
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A new curse of the Bambino is brewing. Now I have something to brag about when I visit my Red Sox loving family for xmas.
 
gwuMACaddict said:
damon is an aging center fielder... what does that have to do with babe ruth?
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He may be aging but he's gonna help the Yankees more then Bernie has over the past year.
 
The fact is that without Theo in the drivers seat the Red Sox are gonna lose more free agents and the team will be back to its old ways.
 
gwuMACaddict said:
no doubt about that... but it's certainly no where near "curse-worthy"
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Some could argue that loosing Pedro could have been the start to a new curse and if a few more star players leave it could end up biting them in the butt in a few years. So the bigger curse for the Red Sox could be not getting Theo back for another 3 years.
 
Another man sells his soul to the Yankees. What a surprise. And the Yankees think that they can buy a championship.

I look forward to the White Sox beating the Yankees again this coming season.
 
gwuMACaddict said:
i get really tired of hearing about curses...
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I get tired of hearing fans in Boston and New York whining about players who aren't "loyal" enough to their teams.

BTW, now I can see why the Dodgers didn't end up signing Damon -- he was asking for too much money and too many years for a guy his age.
 
IJ Reilly said:
I get tired of hearing fans in Boston and New York whining about players who aren't "loyal" enough to their teams.
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There's real, day to day enmity that runs beneath the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry. And it's more kvetching than whining. 😛

Damon is a punk. A true, first class punk. May all his hair fall out and may he become an even greater gimp.

I normally don't wish individuals ill will. But I'm pissed off right now. And my heat doesn't work. And it's freaking eleven degrees.
 
Yes Hopefully his hair does fall out. Or at least George makes him get it cut. Looks terrible. ( I think its the reason his wife left him.)
 
thedude110 said:
There's real, day to day enmity that runs beneath the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry. And it's more kvetching than whining. 😛

Damon is a punk. A true, first class punk. May all his hair fall out and may he become an even greater gimp.

I normally don't wish individuals ill will. But I'm pissed off right now. And my heat doesn't work. And it's freaking eleven degrees.
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And you think there isn't a rivalry between Giants/Dodgers? Just because you have a rivalry that finally means competition within your division, doesn't mean others haven't had that for many years now.

More to the point, if Damon's signing pisses Sox fans off so much, why not get mad at the folks responsible - Boston management? Players are supposed to be "loyal" when teams refuse to pay them what the market will bear for the short time their careers last? When was the last time you heard of a team overpaying a veteran player as a "reward" for years of service? Not friggin' likely. Yet we hear quite often of players willing to give "home" team discounts in order to stay with a franchise. The amazing thing is that given the "disloyalty" of owners to their players that there are any players that take the fan's wishes into their decision of where to sign at all. If we are to discuss "loyalties," let's start with the folks who run the game.
 
thedude110 said:
There's real, day to day enmity that runs beneath the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry. And it's more kvetching than whining. 😛
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Kvetching sounds a lot like whining if you squint your eyes a little.

Really, Sox fans are so incredibly cranky. The Sox fired a winning manager because he made one bad decision. Well that's fine -- we're happy to have him here in LA even if he isn't friggin' perfect.

And Yankee fans -- don't get me started on them. I grew up in the NYC area, a Mets fan if only because Yankee fans were totally insufferable. We Mets fans took what was coming to us. One year, ninth place, a couple of years later, a World Championship. Whatever, it was all good. But Yankee fans sniveled if the bums finished second, like somehow the earth had slipped off its axis.

From out here, the controversy over the Damon signing looks like the stuff of pure baseball comedy. What can I say? Yankee and Sox fans deserve each other! 🙂
 
Sayhey said:
And you think there isn't a rivalry between Giants/Dodgers? Just because you have a rivalry that finally means competition within your division, doesn't mean others haven't had that for many years now.
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Nothing compares to the rivalry that the Yankees and Red Sox have, Actually its more a hatred then a rivalry to be honest. What the Giants and Dodgers had was more of a New York thing then it is now out west. Back then those teams were fighting hard in pennet races as lately they have both been a joke.
 
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